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General Hardware Discussions / Re: Sawtooth w/Sonnet G4 1ghz
« Last post by FdB on March 23, 2019, 08:42:52 PM »
Good catch and a good point… however, the install / upgrade process is still very similar.
The Crescendo (ZIF) here is in a 9500 and there’s an ST/G4 in a Quicksilver here too.  ;)
Hi everyone it's been a hot minute, I got pretty sick and now i'm back and  want to finish this job so we tried some other stuff yesterday. I did get his G4 working and we tried his OS9 ide drive on it and it would not boot as the g4 is the firewire 800 version so just to new for booting OS 9 so then we installed his apps in 10.4 and in classic mode they work but the machine is not fast enough to keep up with the emulation going on unfortunately. So we are back to using the 9600 and our goal if we can do it now is get a bootable pci to ide (or sata makes no difference to me) card that we can just use as the main drive but I can't seem to find the ones listed as working on this forum anywhere to buy even at high prices. I have downloaded a lot of firmware for the SIL3512 cards but I guess only specific ones of this work? I can use a windows bootable for flashing the eeprom of the card if needed on a generic if it will end up being bootable for OS 9. I did not get time to look more into the trying of the current adapter I got without a jumper on the drive ect. The client had a serious item he was working on and did not want to open the machine at the time.

General Hardware Discussions / Re: Sawtooth w/Sonnet G4 1ghz - unstable OS9
« Last post by refinery on March 23, 2019, 06:42:14 PM »
Sawtooth isnt a ZIF machine. not sure if that firmware is still applicable.
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The link posted above for the manual for the M-Audio FireWire 1814 is broken.

The Manual for the M-Audio FireWire 1814 can still be found by going to this link:

In the "Series" column, click on "Legacy." Then choose "Firewire 1814" in the "Product" column, choose your language, and click the blue "Show Results" button. Now you can download the "Quick Start Guide" and the "User Guide" (Manual). These two documents show up when "English" is the selected language. YMMV with other languages.

Also, the drivers for the M-Audio FireWire 1814 can still be downloaded via this link:
The process is similar to the documents download. Click on "Legacy" in the "Series" column, click on "Firewire 1814" in the "Product" column, choose "Mac OS 9.x" in the "OS" column, and click the blue "Show Results" button. The two drivers that appear are:
Firewire 1814  1.0.3  (Mac)  07-02-2004  FireWire OSX 1.0.3   
Firewire 1814  2.3.8           11-25-2001  OMS2_3_8.sit

Many other Mac OS versions are listed, but I haven't looked at what drivers show up for each.
General Hardware Discussions / Re: 2001 G4 QuickSilver 733Mhz Restoration
« Last post by AlphaMac on March 22, 2019, 09:15:52 PM »
So for the case fan I decided to go with Noiseblocker's NB-eLoop B14-3 (140mmx29mm, 1400rpm, 104.9CFM, 28.5dBA).

Why I choose this fan..

Size: With a small mod to the fan case being lowered about 1/2", a 140mm fan can fit nicely in the steel case. Larger blades means more CFM and with the extra space available I figured 140mm was a better bet. I didn't want to substitute air flow for less noise. Also the specs above are rated at 13.8v (max) so at 12v I expect a CFM around the mid-to-lower 90s. With the extra CFM I can even add dust filters around the unit, which is really what kills the bearings on fans.

Anti-Vibration: One of the first things I noticed when studying the interior of my G4 was the transfer of noise and vibration. It was noticeably since my fans were worn and noisy. I knew right away that noise could greatly be reduced by using rubber materials. Noiseblocker fans are designed with a the right materials and mounts for reducing the transfer of vibration. If you listen to youtube vids comparing Noiseblocker to other fans, you'll notice less tabletop noise from the anti-vibration design.

I don't doubt the performance of any other premium fans. I choose this fan for my purpose being in a studio with lots of heat generated from vintage tube amps and other high-powered gear.

I had few errors on my spreadsheet. Below is the updated table. Next is the CPU and PSU fan.

General Hardware Discussions / Re: Sawtooth/Sonnet cont.
« Last post by FdB on March 22, 2019, 07:57:40 PM »
Here’s that Sonnet Encore installation pdf. complete with all the little-bitty details:

And of course, you’ve seen and read this attachment?
General Hardware Discussions / Re: Sawtooth w/Sonnet G4 1ghz - unstable OS9
« Last post by FdB on March 22, 2019, 03:06:55 PM »
Seems to be several Sonnet upgrades popping up ‘round here lately.

You might want to pop your old processor back in (and assuming that you have OS 9.2.2 on another HD partition / or an additional separate HD)… then do a clean install of OS 9.2.2 with that original processor back in. THEN install the required Sonnet software, drivers, extensions, etc. (necessary for the Sonnet under OS 9) on that HD or partition - so that when the Sonnet is back in the machine all should then be hunky-dory.

I've forgotten which goes first, the Sonnet or the Sonnet software(s). Reading instructions can help. There is a specific order and instructions for OS upgrades. AND there’s also the question of which extension or firmware patch is necessary for your Encore. (I think I have a Crescendo running downstairs.)

If you’ve already tried all of this, nevermind. ::)

OS 10.4 may “already work” because of “considerations” made by Apple during the later builds/releases of OS X.

And if the above suggestion does not work… other “voices” will undoubtedly chime in here, very soon. ???
General Hardware Discussions / Re: 2001 G4 QuickSilver 733Mhz Restoration
« Last post by refinery on March 22, 2019, 02:18:50 PM »
well for what its worth, the noctuas in my hackintosh are at least 4 years old at this point and ive never noticed any noise increase in that time. whichever you end up choosing im sure it will be a great improvement over whats in there now.
General Hardware Discussions / Sawtooth w/Sonnet G4 1ghz - unstable OS9
« Last post by mikeyy00 on March 22, 2019, 01:04:47 PM »
Hi all,

I posted this over at 68kmla, but figured more eyes the better.

I had a bone stock Sawtooth G4/128/10gb/Rage 128. Popped in a Sonnet Encore (new old stock) 1ghz, 1000mb/120gb SSD/Radeon 9000. It boots 10.4.11 flawless. Can run games, video encoding, browsing, you name it. Zero issue.

Try to boot OS 9.2.2, and its flaky as eff. Freezes on the happy Mac screen half the time, 1-2 more reboots it'll make it into the OS enough where I can start moving things around, and perhaps try and launch a game, then it hard locks.

I've reduced the hardware back to stock, but left the G4 1ghz in, and basically have the same issue. My gut is to blame the CPU, but the only issue with that, is why does 10.4 run like a champ? You'd figure a bad CPU would be a bad CPU across the board.

I've made sure the firmware is the latest on the G4, 4.28/4.2.8 I can't exactly remember. There's no extensions or firmware patch for the Encore ST, but I did try applying the one for the Cresendo G4, no change. Reset PRAM, reset PMU, etc.. same thing.

Again, I want to blame CPU but I can't fathom why 10.4 works without issue.

Any ideas? This was an install of 9.2.2 done with the universal CD floating around, and I did try the 9.2 copy offered on here that works on unsupported Macs. Results are the same. OS9 is basically unusable due to the hard freezes.

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