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 71 
 on: February 07, 2026, 02:35:45 PM 
Started by StarExplorer - Last post by StarExplorer
I have a Power Macintosh 7200 with System 7 and Mac OS 9 installed. System 7 can see floppies and knows when I put one in. Mac OS 9 freezes up when I put one in. It's not the disk. I've tried a bunch of them. I can force quit finder, but it never shows floppies. What's going on?

 72 
 on: February 07, 2026, 12:04:12 PM 
Started by Tazintosh - Last post by ssp3
[Q: What’s an interrupt / reset button?] ;)

 73 
 on: February 07, 2026, 11:03:06 AM 
Started by aBc - Last post by aBc
By the way, according to "Read Me" file, this CD is for  "..all Power Mac G4 systems (with either PCI or AGP graphics)", not only for Sawtooth. -ssp3

That’s interesting. Always on the lookout for other diagnostic tools. Given time, might have to test with Gigabit Ethernet (the next resurrection on my list), the Digital Audio machines AND perhaps even a Quicksilver.

However, there might be one little pesky caveat…






Black Netac SSD:

The first 8.6 installation partition on a Netac here was Mac OS Standard (HFS).
The second partition was also the same Mac Standard (HFS) for OS 9.
Third partition, Mac OS Extended (HFS+) for Tiger 10.4.11.

This approach allowed easy booting between the first two partitions
back and forth… but once booted into Tiger, selecting either of first
two partitions to reboot, would boot back into the opposite OS of what
was selected. Choosing OS 9, got OS 8.6. Choose OS 8.6 ya got the
machine booting back into OS 9. AND then whichever it didn’t boot into
…that System Folder was grayed out and needed to be re-blessed, in
order to boot back into it afterwards as part of this bizarre little dance.


For the subsequent, Red Netac… the first and second partitions were
formatted Mac OS Extended and the third, Journaled (HFS+).

But this MTP states that it can’t test the Extended Directory Structures.
(No reason not to run it for its’ other tests — and no more dancing!)
With the Red Netac as formatted, easy booting between all 3 partitions
and all three different operating systems. (TMI?)



One should also check Garden's other MTP disc images for their bootability.
I do have some more originals. If needed, I can copy others too.
-ssp3

https://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7738.0;attach=16234;image

Thanks. Most of the downloads that I tried / burned / tested — were from the Garden’s collection and as you said… If you save the CD as volume, the drivers are left out. That might be the Gardens’ case. (See Reply #4 above, in this thread for those versions that I did try.) And sure, if you’d care to prep and upload other versions of MTP that you have, I could burn and test them as well (before I finally move these Sawtooth machines from my living room and reclaim the space).

Compared to the old Quadra 950 that I ran for years (and the persnickety G3 Blue and Whites) the Sawtooth now seems blisteringly fast. I might keep one. ;)

 74 
 on: February 07, 2026, 10:55:14 AM 
Started by Tazintosh - Last post by aBc
No USB and no Firewire. (Thinking that some external drive my be employed.)

… so maybe and external, bootable SCSI drive via the HDI-30 port?
If such a thing would work, maybe you could run diagnostics or re-install OS?

I’m just spit-ballin’ here.

 75 
 on: February 07, 2026, 10:12:26 AM 
Started by Tazintosh - Last post by Tazintosh
Hi @aBc,

I've maybe not made it well… will retry.

  • I've swapped the two HDs and both are non recognised, for which my guts clearly screams "Impossible!".
  • I've also remounted the 180MHz and… it does exactly the same thing!!! (to the only difference the trackpad is fluid on the grey screen)

 76 
 on: February 07, 2026, 10:04:17 AM 
Started by Tazintosh - Last post by aBc
Generally, I don’t deal too much with laptops but… whenever I change or modify hardware, it is usually followed with a CUDA or PMU reset. In the case  of a 3400c, Gurgle responds with the following:

In the PowerBook 3400c, the Power Management Unit (PMU) is not a single, easily accessed button, but rather a chip on the main logic board that relies on a specific reset procedure rather than a physical button press. To reset it, you must remove the battery and power adapter, hold down the interrupt/reset button for 10-20 seconds, and ensure the PRAM battery (located under the keyboard) is not leaking.

Good luck.

[Q: What’s an interrupt / reset button?] ;)

 77 
 on: February 07, 2026, 09:20:12 AM 
Started by Tazintosh - Last post by Tazintosh
Good evening folks,
Long time no see, sorry about that.

I own a PowerBook 3400c (200 MHz + 16 MB expansion module for a total of 32 MB).
Recently, I bough a 180 MHz one, but equipped with the 128 MB expansion module!!! I think I was searching this module since 7 years.

Long story short, I took the 128 MB module, put it on my 200 MHz, restarted and… well, it's complicated.
Need the long story long:

  • The Mac chimes.
  • Memory module is recognized (black screen right after pressing the startup button is —much— longer than with 32 MB total), no memory related "beep", etc.
  • Once the back screen (checking memory?) is done, the HD starts spinning.
  • The computer then switch to the "white/grey" screen. It's the one shown right before the extensions loading process.
  • Problem is that the computer will never go beyond this screen… unless… (more on that soon)
  • Sometimes on this grey screen, I'm getting the cursor (top left), sometimes not. Sometimes it cannot be moved, sometimes it's awfully laggy.
  • IF AND ONLY IF, I plug an ADB mouse, the Mac will try to boot, BUT I'm getting the "? floppy" icon. This is extremely weird since the disk was working and booting before disassembling.
  • If I then unplug the ADB mouse, the "? floppy" icon will stop blinking and if I plug it right back, it will blink (!!!) (blink = by design)
  • If I then plug a PCMCIA card on it with a system, the mac will boot instantly from it.
  • Once on Finder, still no mouse moving (neither with ADB or Trackpad), all must be done by keybaord.
  • Inserting a CD on the drive will never mount it. And if I open the trackpad panel, the system will complain the Trackpad is not available on this computer (!). About those two (cd and trackpad, I'm not sure though if it's system related since I've not digg into it, the PCMCIA was provided and already installed with the 180 MHz model.
  • I've physically swapped the two trackpads without success.
  • I've rolled back to the original configuration (32 MB) without success.
  • I've done multiple PRAM resets. Multiple Power Management resets.
  • No fall, no hit, no PRAM battery installed, no leaks.
  • I'm normally not a complete newbie at this kind of manipulations.

Basically, since I've opened the computer, I've lost the drive and won this weird and problematic boot logic (ADB related).

If you have —any— clue, I would greatly appreciate it!

Best,

Next thing to do: swapping the HDs oO

 78 
 on: February 06, 2026, 05:16:12 PM 
Started by aBc - Last post by ssp3
My pleasure!

Maybe there are still more “active” Sawtooth machines “out there” and the MacTest Pro (G4) with drivers cdr.dmg might warrant a place on the Hotline server?

By the way, according to "Read Me" file, this CD is for  "..all Power Mac G4 systems (with either PCI or AGP graphics)", not only for Sawtooth.
One should also check Garden's other MTP disc images for their bootability.
I do have some more originals. If needed, I can copy others too. http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=6911.0

 79 
 on: February 06, 2026, 12:41:52 PM 
Started by Lil Chillbil - Last post by Lil Chillbil
I found this forum via Macrumors PPC section, I haven’t logged many hours on OS 9 but through the help of this forum and a hotline client I plan to change that. My OS 9 machine is a 233MHz G3 minitower with 768MB of RAM and hopefully soon a blue SCSI. I have been a mac user since 10.4 Tiger on a 12’ Powerbook G4 floating around through various version’s of the Unix based systems. From a G5 tower, to a M1 iMac. I plan to lurk a lot more because I know nothing about this OS but am happy to be all ears.

 80 
 on: February 06, 2026, 09:56:16 AM 
Started by filipetolhuizen - Last post by filipetolhuizen
Hello,
I have a crashing problem with Redneck Rampage right after entering the underwater pipe on E1L2 if the screen resolution is above 640x480. It happens on both Sheepshaver and my real machine, a G4 PCI. I found a beta patch once but it didn't fix this crash (and introduced more). Has anyone else experienced it? Is there a fix other than running on lower res.?

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