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110, if you are using the UNFINISHED and incomplete script from post #627 your description makes sense, do NOT use that, use the one from #630 as that 100% works, and is finished. If you are using the one from #630, all I can say is that you are wrong and that the updater DOES work. The amount of times I tested it, made sure that it copies everything over to make it v7. If it TOLD you to restart, then it will have definately copied EVERYTHING required, including ATI extensions. If it said at any point your disk does not contain Mac OS 9, then that means it did not work.  If it TELLS you to restart, then go and click the restart button. If it does not, then don't restart manually. It just does work there is no reason why it does not work. Again, if you are running the APPLICATION from the DISK IMAGE from post #630, it 100% works.
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did some more test including one unintended error and found something funny.

i have applied the updater script to my personal OS9 folder from my main mac again, but this time on the mini itself.

in my personal OS9 folder things like quicktime and ATI are not at their default path; i removed them out of their folder.

the updater script seems to ignore the missing path at /extensions/ATI/ and just didnt copy the minified ATI files.

so, after rebooting into the new system, as exspected, the monitor went black right after the extensions finished loading.

but now to what is questionable. :)

to fix the wrong ATI drivers i booted into the vanilla mini OS, added the minified drivers to the new system folder, and booted into the new system.

now the monitor works in the new system - but the 2D accelleration is gone.

okay, maybe another user error i thought, and bootet back to the vanilla mini OS.

after the desktop showed up, the mouse now blinks and updates its position only every 2 seconds. finder windows take ages to draw and are almost inaccessible. when moving the mouse over a menubar menu, inside the opened menu the mouse speed is back to normal, out again over the desktop, and it runs in 0.5 "FPS" mode again.

only after another reboot the vanilla OS is now back again to normal operation.

regarding the new OS i have no idea what is wrong there which prevents proper 2d accelleration...

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then i was playing a bit with the startup disk issue on a dual boot mini.

if you have 2 volumes on the internal HD and both have a Mac OS 9 folder, you can not boot from the second one via controlpanel, you must always use the boot manager, just as with an OSX/OS9 dual boot install.

the weird thing is, when you only have one system folder on the (technically) second partition (and no system on the first partition), THIS is found...



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General Hardware Discussions / Re: The fastest Mac Os 9 booting computer.
« Last post by GaryN on May 25, 2018, 02:47:30 PM »
Having pointed out that you can't have a fair race, an accurate survey or a valid comparison without everyone agreeing on at least basic identical parameters, boundaries, rules etc.…

and having been informed my points are "obvious"…

still without any agreement or even suggestion of what those parameters should be…

thereby leading to the collection of boot times without any standards which will be mildly amusing and scientifically worthless…

I hereby officially regret even bringing it up in the first place.

My apologies.


Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.
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General Hardware Discussions / Re: The fastest Mac Os 9 booting computer.
« Last post by MacTron on May 25, 2018, 07:00:22 AM »
Great idea Tron… BUT we need a few rules because things can cause time differences that have nothing to do with the hardware or software.
*Having defined beginning and end points is critical, for example.

1) START - at power-on or at chime?
    You gotta have a definite starting line

2) FINISH - at desktop appears or all desktop items/icons mounted and visible?
    You gotta have a definite finish line and…
     this may vary according to individual desktop clutter and drive speed


I thought that this was obvious...  ;D

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3) ATA - Boot drive only or all connected drives?
     It would seem it should be boot only - ex. I have 4 internal drives with partitions and 1 external FW… big difference from boot only
     It's no big deal to unplug additional drives for testing in the desktop models


4) VERSION - OS 9.0 or 9.1 vs. OS 9.2.2
     Significant? Who knows? Not me but I know that 9.2.2 has a lot more "stuff" so more extensions et al will probably take longer. Do we care?

Startup time is primarily affected by Hard Disk speed and the extension set you are using.
So You have to test your actual system. I have tested my Macs "as they are" for daily using, in fact the MDD have two SSD's and two 1080x1920 displays with plenty icons on both desktops, disconnecting one of them will improve startup time even more.
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Expect me to be a bit quiet for a while. I haven't had much luck troubleshooting the minor problems with the mini, so I'd rather leave these to others.
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General Hardware Discussions / Re: The fastest Mac Os 9 booting computer.
« Last post by GaryN on May 24, 2018, 04:20:24 PM »
Great idea Tron… BUT we need a few rules because things can cause time differences that have nothing to do with the hardware or software.
*Having defined beginning and end points is critical, for example.

1) START - at power-on or at chime?
    You gotta have a definite starting line

2) FINISH - at desktop appears or all desktop items/icons mounted and visible?
    You gotta have a definite finish line and…
     this may vary according to individual desktop clutter and drive speed


3) ATA - Boot drive only or all connected drives?
     It would seem it should be boot only - ex. I have 4 internal drives with partitions and 1 external FW… big difference from boot only
     It's no big deal to unplug additional drives for testing in the desktop models


4) VERSION - OS 9.0 or 9.1 vs. OS 9.2.2
     Significant? Who knows? Not me but I know that 9.2.2 has a lot more "stuff" so more extensions et al will probably take longer. Do we care?

These would seem to me to be the items that could cause big time differences that don't necessarily have anything to do with hardware.

I'm just sayin'…
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we should do a thread on the fastest booting os9 computer boot time
as a competition..
...
i vote that we do a thread on fastest booting os9 computer!
who seconds my idea?
Good idea: :)
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4421.0.html
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General Hardware Discussions / The fastest Mac Os 9 booting computer.
« Last post by MacTron on May 24, 2018, 07:19:41 AM »
The fastest Mac Os 9 booting computer,
Please post your results.

This are the data from some of my Macs:

iMac G4 700:  47"
eMac G4 1.5:  47"
MDD 1.5 38"

The MDD  is even faster when rebooting  (33")  thanks to its SSD, while the other machines are slower when rebooting (5-10 sec slower)
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Video Capturing & Editing Software / Re: What to do whit AVID Blue Ice
« Last post by Roman78 on May 24, 2018, 12:22:37 AM »
So technically I can't do much whit it?
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General Hardware Discussions / Re: Successul TiBook Battery Rebuild
« Last post by MacNewbie on May 23, 2018, 08:36:27 PM »
Just curious. Did you measure the voltage of the cells of the dead battery? Were they all still at least 2.6V or so, or were at least some of them at 0V or close to it? Reason I'm asking is I'm getting ready to try the same thing. Have the new cells and a spot welder, which I just got and am still practicing with. Replacing the cells doesn't seem that hard, what I'm worried about is the battery controller. I've played with a few others (not TI Book) and even with fresh cells they don't work, since the controllers saw a dead cell at some point and store that fact, then disable the battery (unless you can reprogram the controller, which I wouldn't have a clue to do). Supposedly one technique, which I plan to try with the TI Book batteries, is to first connect all the stages (cells) to a parallel good battery before disconnecting and removing the old cells. That way the controller never sees zero volts. So i was wondering if you had to do that, or if the TI Book controller isn't quite as fiddly as the ones I've tried.  I would just love to have a 3 hour battery again. Other than that the computers are great.

A few batteries were still ok, with at least two of them completely dead. The batteries appeared wholly dead to the laptop and none of the LEDs on the battery pack would come on.

I didn't have to do anything special, I just took my time in making sure before I took the pack apart that I knew *every* wire and every connection thoroughly and I wrote it down and took photos.  Then proceeded.  Beware - the pack is very tight and you might inadvertantly put it together with a wire touching something it shouldn't.  Before you put everything back 100%, let it sit for a few minutes, then touch each cell - if any of them are warm, there is something wrong and you have to re-check the wires.
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