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New Member Welcome / Welcome all!
« Last post by aBc on Yesterday at 08:46:23 AM »
Hello and welcome aboard romanboy!

Seems that our Welcoming Committee has fallen down on their job of acknowledging each new member, so hopefully this might serve as a welcome to all those that “we” might have recently missed?

We’re still awaiting the possible return of a feature that would at least allow us to “like” new members’ first postings (like yours) that would rather simply serve to let you know that someone had actually read your first post... instead of feeling like your effort has simply gone unnoticed and into the void. (Yes, I had to bring this up again.) ;D

But for now, back on track romanboy... WELCOME!
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Hardware / PSU glue / glop
« Last post by aBc on Yesterday at 08:29:10 AM »
If the PSU is not going on the plane, train or automobile to get shipped to the other side of the planet, gluing capacitors to the PCB is not necessary.

Well perhaps therein, lies the proverbial “rub”. Why not do it anyway?

I’m merely the current caretaker of all Macs that I own. Eventually they’ll all be released “back into the wild” to someone else hopefully. So I use either hot glue from a glue gun or silicone on the clustered group of larger capacitors in the PSUs of MDDs, Quicksilvers, etc. Because eventually these machines may be shipped off to someone else (for the next twenty years of their useful lives). ;)

Previously I did this to reduce any possible effects of harmonic resonance between the larger capacitors (because someone once told me this was why they were originally glopped together in this manner). Now I understand that it’s more to prevent movement or damage. (Because Andy tells me so.) ;D

Quoted below from someone else that has been professionally refurbishing PSUs for now well over ten years. Andy’s definitely the go-to guy for PSUs that I don’t want to refurb myself and I have recommended him to many members here in the past. (All report back with 100% satisfaction.)

The glue is there to prevent components from moving around and getting damaged.  I have seen one or two cases where the glue didn't hold, which allowed one of the large inductors to rub against a heat sink until the insulation on the windings was damaged, creating a short circuit.  I've also seen cases where a heavy part fell off the board.

I've seen both hot melt glue, and silicone used.  I personally use silicone because it sticks more securely, and is more flexible.  Acetic acid isn't a problem for something open to the air like this.  I never seen even the slightest trace or corrosion.


Do not use any RTV: many silicones cure by releasing acetic acid, which will corrode the power supply.

And btw, silicone cures and “gases-off” within 24 hours. So if you’re all that concerend about it, wait a day before reassembly of the PSU to allow any silicone time to cure. And of course, all of this is up to the individual.

And my thanks again to Andy!
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New Member Welcome / New members intro
« Last post by romanboy on Yesterday at 07:10:35 AM »
Hi, all.

New member living in Wales, UK.
I've been using Macs for the past 30 or so years, and have recently had an inkling to boot Classic OS and run Escape Velocity or Realmz.
Looking forward to my time here, many thanks!
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Hardware / Re: HOT MINI
« Last post by fergycool on Yesterday at 01:35:29 AM »
And looking at the red-outlined area, the white-ish looking areas are where the thing remained “stuck” to the processor (green dots). While the smoother, dark grey areas (yellow dot) might represent where actual heat-exchange contact was no longer in effect. (i.e. baked and separated.)
I removed everything and very carefullly also tried to clean the top of the CPU (although not too hard!).

Again, it would have been interesting to note the exhaust air temperature of your mini before replacing the paste. But big congrats on a job that many simply choose not to attempt!
Thanks. The exhaust air temperature was not too hot before, although I this was just tested with a wet finger rather than a thermometer. Now you can barely feel any heat at all.

Forceps are in my computer tool box now. There's two other pairs in my fishing box anyway :-)

Thanks again.
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Hardware / Re: HOT MINI
« Last post by ssp3 on May 16, 2024, 06:28:20 PM »
And I mean, that when you “fire” such desoldering pumps they don’t extend (shoot) that metal plunger out of the end “towards the board”. That’s only extended when you elect to push the “un-cocked” plunger down through the nozzle to clear any hardened solder out of that nozzle.

I should have added "when the nozzle is worned out".
When you use the pump extensively, the nozzle wears out rather quickly. From inside too, btw. Or, when you push the solder out or try to pull the plunger in by force, when some of the solder is stuck to it, it is possible to displace the nozzle a tiny little bit. As soon as plunger's tip is not flush with the nozzle's tip, your PCB is in danger. I've used up more than 20 pumps and even more nozzles to this day, so I know what I'm talking about. And I've scratched a few PCBs too ;)

(I do have Hakko station and other desoldering tools, in case you're wondering, but that's another story).

A few pics from the web below.
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Hardware / Re: HOT MINI
« Last post by aBc on May 16, 2024, 05:13:42 PM »
Kudos for the original thought of possibly using the desolder tool. Maybe removal of the teflon tip, replaced with a similar length of the nylon spacer stock (mentioned above) in its’ place, might then work as a pin removal tool?

I really don’t use the desolder pump that I have due to the “shocking” recoil of the thing when working on very small bits. (It’s quite unnerving to me, working so closely and with magnifying headgear on - so I revert to using solder wick instead.)

And I mean, that when you “fire” such desoldering pumps they don’t extend (shoot) that metal plunger out of the end “towards the board”. That’s only extended when you elect to push the “un-cocked” plunger down through the nozzle to clear any hardened solder out of that nozzle. So if the nylon stock could be cut & fitted instead, one might actually have their own special Mac Mini heatsink removal tool?

Well, worth a shot anyway. There’s a project for someone. (You did put the hemostats/forceps back into your fishing tackle box?) ;)

Looks like the processors’ mylar shield stuck to your heatsink (as if often the case). I usually remove that and don’t even attempt to reuse it. Also I peel the original thin foil off on the heatsink, which I assume originally served as a “paste-treated” barrier between the processor and the heatsink.


And looking at the red-outlined area, the white-ish looking areas are where the thing remained “stuck” to the processor (green dots). While the smoother, dark grey areas (yellow dot) might represent where actual heat-exchange contact was no longer in effect. (i.e. baked and separated.)

So whereas most recommend replacing heatsink paste every two-to-four years... some have G4 Mac minis that have never had this done (now, in nearly twenty years!).

Again, it would have been interesting to note the exhaust air temperature of your mini before replacing the paste. But big congrats on a job that many simply choose not to attempt!
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Aha! Whoops! I never thought about the hardenss of the nozzle. I did not actually use this though, just tried it.
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The nozzle of that desoldering tool is made of teflon, which is softer plastic than the one used for heatsink pegs, so it is now damaged.
Judging by the distance the plunger extends from the nozzle and that its not centered, I'd say that your tool is in pretty bad shape. Don't use it on delicate boards, like Mini, because it will scratch them, when you fire it. The effect (movement) is similar to the recoil of the gun - that metal part shoots towards the board.
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Many thanks for this. I'd already got my 1.5Ghz G4 Mac Mini up and running, but I was a little scared at removing those pegs. But I just went back in and it went pretty well. It was seriously caked solid and I had to soak the heatsink in white spirit for an hour. But once cleaned up then with a bit of Noctua's NT-H1 3.5g paste, it was soon back up and running!
I used some forceps (taken from my fishing box!). But I did try a solder removing tool. That has a tube that fitted nicely over the top of the peg. Unfortunately I had no way to push the peg out. However, once I'd reassembled the Mac, then I remembered that if you push the plunger in the tool it does extend a little rod that would likely have worked. Just a thought for somebody to try (..or me if I get a second G4!). Thanks
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I owned Apple computers growing up starting with an LCII.  I just bought a G4 mac mini to play some Escape Velocity.  I loved those games back in the day.
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