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General Hardware Discussions / Re: POLL: Blue & White G3
« Last post by S. Pupp on May 27, 2023, 03:24:58 PM »
To me, my B&W looked like it was a Fisher-Price invention.  I much preferred its industrial look after removing all that plastic cladding and selling on eBay any cladding that had no cracks.
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A short introduction currently have a PowerBook 170 8/80 and a power Mac 8600/300 trying to add a G4 system that's mid range price n the SF Bay area. My favorite machines were a Mac plus (used as a kid young) Mac iici, Quadra 660av, duo 280c, g3 Aio and G4 da.

Does anyone know the most reliable desktop G4 system model/s to that have held up?

My 8600/300 is a tank, and trooper. The PowerBook 170 still works knock on wood... Unfortunately all the PowerBook I had like duos , even an iBook died, by 2013 and even the power supplies. Wish I had kept them intact or  known about capacitors and such. Lol
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General Hardware Discussions / Re: POLL: Blue & White G3
« Last post by Protools5LEGuy on May 27, 2023, 08:22:19 AM »
I have to mention that the original polycarbonathe handles cracks way sooner than all G4 handles.

My B&W has Quicksilver handles because originals were beyond repair.

Hardware modders love the G3 B&W look, but only slim mATX boards can get room there, and the heat generated shows it is a ´90s machine not designed for 600W+ modern CPUs. In the end if you mod it you finish with a gruyere machine that can make 2-3 youtube videos just to show off.

I can see myself in 6 years taking a Mac Mini (2018-2023) inside the blue box, just to have the gorgeous blue thing near and give me the good vibes it should gave me years ago.

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General Hardware Discussions / Re: POLL: Blue & White G3
« Last post by Protools5LEGuy on May 27, 2023, 08:04:36 AM »
Also, the fact that is only 3 PCI slots + graphic slot make all 3 PCI slots undesirable for Protools rigs but the simplest.

Dont get me wrong, I was then happy (2003) with a Protools 5 LE rig including an AM-III, 2 Rage 128 (One with onboard decoder the other without) and a Sonnet ATA-66 tempo card. Way more happy than with a Pentium 4. But some days it took almost half an hour to get the blue thing going.

You get a routine to reset CUDA button + clear PRAM to work.  But when you get a "good working" machine (just a G4 DA 466)  you think about throwing it to the river on the next bridge.

When you realize Steve Jobs sold you shit with the B&W Rev. 1 you think "I should buy a Rev. 2 board" but this thing is limited to (Unicorns) G3 1100 MHz, 600 MHz G4 or 1000 MHz G4 with a 66 MHz bus you end giving up on the upgrade route.

Then you realize you could buy a first gen G4 motherboard and exchange it, but the PCI slot number is the same and you loose the ADB port.

When you have a B&W you want to think your machine is unique due to the ADB ports, but the cost of a MacAlly ADB pro keyboard + ADB mouse was too high (and I commit to buy it) 15 years ago. Today it makes more sense just to use USB (apple) keyboards
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General Hardware Discussions / Re: POLL: Blue & White G3
« Last post by Protools5LEGuy on May 27, 2023, 07:43:42 AM »
I can be biased by the fact that it was my first Mac.

It needed the 3.6 volts battery more than the duracell bunny.

From time to time the PRAM gets corrupted and you have to boot via firmware. (Set defaults...)

The boot picker you get pressing "Option" on new world macs was not working most of the time.

Are tremendously finicky about jumper positions on HDD, not to mention the optical drives that are even harder to make them recognized. If a optical drive is not "blessed" it cant boot installers.

You can change the cable to add a 2nd drive (even on rev.1) but the next morning both drives got corrupted. 
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General Hardware Discussions / Re: POLL: Blue & White G3
« Last post by ssp3 on May 26, 2023, 11:53:47 PM »
One of the choices is ambiguous.  ;)
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General Hardware Discussions / Re: POLL: Blue & White G3
« Last post by FBz on May 26, 2023, 12:56:47 PM »
Well… it’s the second weekend of the Poll now and only 15 respondents so far.

   •FIVE of which still have and / or use a B&W.
   •Four, wishing that they still had one.
   •And FIVE declaring that the B&Ws were possessed by demons.

Maybe more respondents this weekend? Hope so anyway.

Have been “tandem testing” different setups / configs with mustagcoupe, V.Yakob
(and also awaiting some input from Borgmac’s possible contributions).

V.Yakob and I have been exploring back-to-the-past installations of OS 8.51 and OS 8.6.
Next slated to try the actual original B&W G3 Installer disc (also intended for the G3 MiniTower.)

And I’m waiting to post results from all of this “through-the-past-darkly” F-U-N.
*Only one poll choice noted for “Quit posting about B&Ws” …and that was me.

Interesting note on Rev.1 possessed by demons motherboards:
mustagcoupe uses his with the SiL3112 cards to avoid the antics of the Rev.1
and focuses on use of OS X. (OS 9 devotees might also consider this!)

So there’s a creative & productive workaround for you Rev.1 owners.
Thinking about various design-build scenarios w/ alternative power supplys & home-built case designs.
And this, inspired by mustagcoupe’s plywood-encased G5 project. (Like I really need another project.) ::)

At any rate, weekend #2 of the B&W Poll coming up. May we have more than 15 respondents please?
Even if your selections might boost the “Quit posting about B&Ws!!!” choice.

Thank you. ;)
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System Utilities & File Management / Re: Backup 9.1 to file
« Last post by ssp3 on May 26, 2023, 05:29:59 AM »
I suspect you will need original grey Install & Restore CDs that are specific to your G4's to update the system on cloned drive.
You could also try to replace the System suitcase, System resources and ROM (Enabler) files with the newer ones for test purposes and to see if it works.
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System Utilities & File Management / Re: Backup 9.1 to file
« Last post by Roman78 on May 26, 2023, 02:46:43 AM »
Well, retrospect did a good job cloning the disk onto another one. Even the stuff on the Desktop is there. The "kickstarter" still gives the error of the missing alias. Only had to bless the system folder by hand.

But the cloned disk wont boot on any G4 I have here. On the original 6500 both copies are working. I still have a G3 B/W to test the disk. Maybe I need to upgarde the OS, but according to everymac they should be capable of running even 9.0.x
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Logic Audio by Emagic / Re: emagic XS keys available
« Last post by ssp3 on May 26, 2023, 02:16:54 AM »
NuVerb for 50 bucks? No way! The last one I bought for a client was 800 Euros. That was about 8 years ago. I spent quite some time hunting one down. It is still in daily use.
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