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[supernova777]

i actually went thru every single optical drive i own yesterday and created a document detailing their specs for each type of media + supported burn + read speeds and then i wrote a little code on each drive right near the 4pin power molex connector so that i can read this code when the drive is plugged into a machine... i just made a 2 letter code AB GF etc to be able to quickly refernce the drive on this document rather then worry about LG drives that have similar codes .. made it alot easier to keeep track of which optical drive is which,. and has which capabilities..
but i did notice one particular samsung cdrw drive that said something about packet writing and listed this as a technology in its specs.. i thought this was purely to do with software but this particular drive said this in its specs. which got me thinking..
was part of this "directcd" packet writing technique dependant upon actual hardware abilities in the drive??
i remember vaguely using this style of backup aswell..

[supernova777]

I've known the existence of DVD-RAM long time ago. But I haven't used it ever, and I'm not really interested on it.
But yours is a good report, and a good info about DVD-RAM.

  really.. thats too bad.. 
for someone so interested in mac os 9 compatibility, and someone who has explored the 'directcd' packet writing with 'poor result'
i find this very surprising ?

i cant wait to get "my floppy back"
the perfect addition to your 2nd optical drive bay in the MDD... Cartridge loading DVD-RAM! 9.4gb..
in addition to a dvd multi-writer..

[supernova777]

i noticed i have a few LG drives that have a very fast CD burning speed of 52X
yet these drives dont write to dvds..
im wondering if they are only able to provide this fast cd burning speed on CDRW only drives without DVD capabilities?
48x cdr is the fastest i have seen on a multi-writer..
curious why the cdrw only drives can do it faster

[supernova777]

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/tips/FlashingDVR-117guide.html article date: Posted: 4/7/2005

i just noticed at the bottom of this page:

(Toast 6.0.7 was the first version to add DL burn support, last update to date is v6.0.9, available at Roxio.com-Mike)

so there we have it.. documented by XLR8yourmac.. v6.07 of toast is where DL begins

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=82103

[supernova777]

mactron
this thread may be of interest
http://macosx.com/threads/pioneer-dvd-rw-dvr-106d.241683/

its talking about the same issue of burning dvds + not being able to read them after burn
using the same make of drive (pioneer)
the guy said he fixed this problem by using pressurized air on the drive + a "dvd drive cleaner"

maybe not relevant for "DL" discs but maybe it is the reason?

http://lasvegas.rpc1.org/
this page is also interesting
allowing for re:flash overwriting of the pioneer firmware with official "apple supported" firmwares
i guess u can only use these on DVR-103, DVR-104, DVR-105, DVR-106, DVR-107 drives
but it mentions DVR-110 compatible.. so maybe that means u can flash a DVR-110 to be a DVR-107

also a link to http://forum.rpc1.org/
for support / answers

http://tdb.rpc1.org/

these pages ? im not sure what all this firmware stuff is about..
it says on the page i think? something about DRM restrictions?
i dont understand 100% i guess its something to do with burning copyrighted materials?
i highly doubt this is for "apple support"

http://hintsforums.macworld.com/showthread.php?t=107290
http://www.macworld.com/article/1044769/duallayerdawn.html

[supernova777]

RPC-1 and RPC-2 are designations applied to firmware for DVD drives. Older DVD drives use RPC-1 firmware, which allows DVDs from any region to play. Newer drives use RPC-2 firmware, which enforces DVD region coding at the hardware level. See DVD region code#Computer DVD drives for further information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Playback_Control

ive never heard of this? Regional playback?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_code

DVD region codes are a digital rights management technique designed to allow film distributors to control aspects of a release, including content, release date, and price, according to the region.

This is achieved by way of region-locked DVD players, which will play back only DVDs encoded to their region (plus those without any region code). The American DVD Copy Control Association also requires that DVD player manufacturers incorporate the regional-playback control (RPC) system. However, region-free DVD players, which ignore region coding, are also commercially available,[1] and many DVD players can be modified to be region-free, allowing playback of all discs.[2]

DVDs may use one code, a combination of codes (multi-region), every code (all region) or no codes (region free).

ok so these firmwares on that site..  is more to allow freedom of viewing downloaded media
intersting

[MacTron]

Yes, but this Region Code is only applied to DVD "movie" standard format, ie : ISO or UDF format,VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders and MPEG2 files and so on ...
There is no problem in to sending a HFS formatted DVD with some files, from region 5 to region 2 and so on...

[supernova777]

right - that was just offtopic - im only interested in getting "apple supported" to show up under os9
apparently u need this to be able to burn mp3 cds from itunes in os9?

for this purpose i guess i have my Toshiba SD-R1312 32X CDR
which bears the apple logo on the drive "combo drive" they call it
burns 32x cdr + 10x cdrw no dvd burning but its "apple disc burning supported"

also i have this Pioneer DVR-104 "2X Superdrive" which isnt so super LOL
2X DVD-R  1X DVD-RW 8X CD-R 4X CD-RW
but yet its "apple disc burning supported" too

2x DVD-R .. LOL

if anyone knows of a list of "mac os 9" cd/dvd drives which are  "apple disc burning supported"
id love to see this list;)

[supernova777]

i just double checked my MDD 1.25ghz where i just replaced the dvd drive with a DL burner
and.... under os 9 it says Apple disc burning supported!!!
the drive..

LG electronics
DVDRAM GSA-H10A


full spec:
8X DVD+R DL
4X DVD-R DL
16X DVD-R/+R
8X DVD+RW
6X DVD-RW

[MacTron]

Toast 5.2.x have a wider CD-ROM/DVD drivers support than Apple Disc Burning. A similar cooperation between iTunes and  Apple Disc Burning software can be achieved with Toast  and Sound Jam.
Don't forget that iTunes for Mac os 9 was a "less capable"  version of Sound Jam.

[MacTron]

BTW, The Thread title should be changed to : DVD Burning. Dual Layer DVDs and DVD-RAM in Mac Os 9.

[supernova777]

Toast 5.2.x have a wider CD-ROM/DVD drivers support than Apple Disc Burning. A similar cooperation between iTunes and  Apple Disc Burning software can be achieved with Toast  and Sound Jam.
Don't forget that iTunes for Mac os 9 was a "less capable"  version of Sound Jam.

i read on macintosh garden from "mikeTomTom" that if u use v5.02 toast the apple disc burning extension can coexist with the
toast extension.. without causing a conflict..
but if u update past 5.02 the conflict will occur.
this goes inline with what he said about 5.02 being the last true mac os 9 version and the versions afterwards
being for Mac os 9/OSX 10.1 or 10.2 systems (5.21+ updating for compatibility with mac os 10.3)

5.02 works fine with 9.22 .. but 5.1x requires 9.1+ and it was during this time, of mac os 9.1-9.22 that it is thought
that most of the development were focused on compatibility of 9+X coexisting on the same drive.. the way the Quicksilvers + MDDs were shipped with both OS installed

[MacTron]

this goes inline with what he said about 5.02 being the last true mac os 9 version and the versions afterwards
being for Mac os 9/OSX 10.1 or 10.2 systems (5.21+ updating for compatibility with mac os 10.3)

After the 5.02 Toast is a carbon app. That's why some people said that from this version onwards Toast isn't a Mac Os 9 app. The Worst thing is that this may be true. But even though I don't like carbon apps, Toast 5.2.x is a must because his wide media and DVD drivers support.

i read on macintosh garden from "mikeTomTom" that if u use v5.02 toast the apple disc burning extension can coexist with the
toast extension.. without causing a conflict..
but if u update past 5.02 the conflict will occur.

I don't have any problems with this, because I don't use Apple Disc Burning, and if don't use a software, I don't have it installed ...

[MacTron]

LG electronics
DVDRAM GSA-H10A

I just find inside a box a LG GSA-H10N ... which I don't remember to have... LOL

[supernova777]

http://www.cnet.com/products/lg-super-multi-gsa-h10n/specs/
6x (DVD-R DL) / 10x (DVD+R DL) / 12x DVDRAM
nice find;)

[supernova777]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-LF-D111-DVD-R-DVD-RAM-IDE-Drive-/230946148753?pt=US_CD_DVD_Blu_Ray_Drives&hash=item35c5769191

heres the original g4 DVDRAM drive... 19$ + ship from california

[MacTron]

I just find inside a box a LG GSA-H10N ... which I don't remember to have... LOL

My very last try with this one ...

I'm going to leave this topic ...

[MacTron]

The LG GSA-H10N  failed at 40%...

[supernova777]

yeah. no more wasted dvd DLs.. lol time to give up 
if u want bigger then 4.7gb, must get a cartridge dvd-ram drive +9.4gb catridge
or be satisfied with 4.7 normal dvd (or pair of dvd to get +4gb)
we should just hack ASR to do multi disc restore.. apple does this with the
quicksilver + mdd restore discs.. so its possible.. but this capability was never
made public supposedly..  maybe we could figure out how to author this
by looking closely at the restore disc for qs or mdd asr prefs files maybe

[supernova777]

http://www.toddp.com/classic/Software%20Install/Apple%20Support%20Documents/001%20-%20Service%20Manuals/Power%20Computing/Manuals/FWBCDROMToolKitv1.x.pdf

anyone ever heard of a "FWB cd recorder"?
i just saw someone talking about it in a video from aroud the time of mac os 8..
it seems to be a cartridge loading cd burner..