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Title: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 20, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
Hope this is the right spot to say hello? If not feel free to move this to the appropriate location.

Anyways hello.

Ive been lurking for a couple weeks now. This place has alot of goodies, and a TON of great info. So thank you guys for putting this together.

Anywho hears my set up.
Duel 1 gig G4, I just got it off craigslist for 80 bucks. Its the MDD I think, I read that the single 1.25 was the board I wanted though. So I may get another board.

Ok so I have a Digi 96io, I had got this for my Native System but decided I didnt need it. I also have a 882, that I bought years ago thinking I was going to build a mix system. But when I bought the parts, the one guy I got the mac from, didnt think it needed to be bubble wraped for shipping , and the genius that sold me the Mix Core card, well he figured they were all the same,  the Farm cards and Core cards that is. So needless to say that build never happened. But the 882 was pristine! Brand NEW! $100

Anyways, I had planed on doing a OS9 system for a while just never did. But about a year ago I came across this old cdrom I made EONS AGO, that had alot of TDM / Rtas PLUGS on it that I download off EDonkey. So after I found that, I kinda got curious. An then I found this SITE! Which WAS LIKE FUCK YEA! OK! Then I found the G4 for 80 bucks. Well $80 dollars its kinda like go for it.

So i grabed a HD card of the bay aswell. $150.

Just hit the mac garden and downloaded all sorts of goodies.

I tried to do a duel boot and install some stuff, but no luck. I think this maybe tricky. So i may have some questions.

But first I gotta get that os9 you guys posted, and see how that works.

But the only internet I have is my tablets hot spot, so I have to go lurk in McDonalds and high jack there McWifi!

AnyHoot! Glad to be hear, and Im excited to get this thing working.  :o
Thanks 4 having ME!


Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 20, 2015, 09:09:28 PM
grab me some fries  8)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 20, 2015, 09:17:27 PM
grab me some fries  8)

HAY MAN! Thanks for the reply bro! Been skimming through all of your posts! Killer ISH BRAH!

Yea, the fries are ok, but if Im gonna eat that crap, I gotta go with a Sausage egg Mc Muffin, and hash brown. Plus I figure if I got LATE NIGHT, I can eat up all the bandwidth to myself. BUHAHA hehe!

Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 20, 2015, 09:30:21 PM
i got some bad news for you tho... i dont know jack about using PT HD systems..

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may02/articles/protoolshd.asp
it looks like it must work :

(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/may02/images/protoolshdiosetup.l.gif)

i think u would need a version of Pro Tool TDM 5.3.1 which i dont think we even have here at this site (yet? do we?)
or maybe it can run on TDM 5.13??? does anyone have experience with pt HD systems?
** i just read that support for 96io is added in tdm 5.3.1 which means its definately not supported in 5.1.3

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzgwYlgDUXU[/youtube]
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 20, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
perhaps one of our users could contribute a copy of pro tools tdm 5.3.1 to complete our pro tools 5 / mac os 9 library here...
after i just scored 5.3.2 LE today ... anyone?  8)

(http://archive.digidesign.com/download/images/pt531.jpg)

http://archive.digidesign.com/download/531/
http://archive.digidesign.com/download/cs/531r2/
http://archive.digidesign.com/download/cs/531cs7/

i think i read something about a legacy port on the 96 io
that lets u integrate it with 888 + adat bridge units
im not sure if that means u could use it with a tdm 5.1.3 system some how
or if this means u can use 888 + adat bridge to expand an HD system (96 io + HD Core card)

here the 5.3 reference guide
http://akarchive.digidesign.com/support/docs/PT_5.3_Reference_Guide.pdf

more getting started guides etc:
http://secure.digidesign.com/services/avid/kb/downloads.cfm?digiArticleId=22952&localeCode=en
http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/Getting_Started_HD_53-61_29771.pdf

(http://shahedmohseni.com/elec-arts/Products/Products-Files/Digidesign/ProTools_192I-O_FullSize.jpg)
http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/192_IO_Guide_25670.pdf

(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/digidesign-96-i-o-1017344.jpg)
http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/96_IO_Guide_v80_56065.pdf

so apparently u can use the 882 with the 96 i/o..
connect the 96 io to the core card and then connect the 882 to the 96 io's legacy port
u would need to word clock connect the in + out from the 96 io to the 882 aswell i think.
(http://www.macos9lives.com/downloads/_img/digi882_rear.jpg)
that will give u 16 channels in + out, then u can also add an ADAT device to the 96 io i think
which would mean u would have to also wordclock to the adat expansion unit 
or connecting either via SPDIF may be ok to forgo the wordclock connection
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 20, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
If you can't find it otherwise, I have an Image of a PT HD install in Spanish.

We can share the image with Mega if you have an account.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 20, 2015, 10:44:23 PM
Yea 5.3.1 could be a problem.
But it may still be possible to purchace it through Avid. I was talking to a guy off ebay, and he said he got 6 for like 25 bucks from them. So maybe. IF I can I will most def post it.

if not,

The solution is simple! check out it guys!

Ill just run, Dp3 in DAE mode. The DAE is a Free download. DP3 in DAE mode, can use the TDM and RTAS plug-ins, as well as the hardware. at least from everything I have read. I just have never done it. I've drooled over the idea for years.

Plus, IMVHO, DP is a way better DAW, AND DEFIANTLY A BETTER SEQUENCER than PT!

SO PT may not even be needed!

PT GUY, thanks but I dont speak Spanish!  :-\

BUT yea CNova, the legacy should work. I will say this, it doesnt work with the omni. lol That was the hole reason I bought the 96io, I was thinking I could legacy pot the 96 to the omni, which works, and then the 882 to the 96io, which didn't. So it was totally pointless, other than now I have it to build this os9 system.

Speaking of stuff that isnt posted, anyone come acrosss the DUY Synth Spider! I haven't came across it in my internet travels.

With that Said, I may HAVE SERATO SCRATCH! Which as soon as I get this thing up and running I will test it and see if it works. If it does Ill post! I haven't seen any one say anything about it.

I haven't downloaded that big os9 disk pack off mac garden yet either so both of those maybe on that. IDK Just thought Id toss it out there.




Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 20, 2015, 10:48:13 PM
i dont think Digital performer would have added support for the HD hardware untill the osx version of DP (v4)
but maybe u are right? i will be shocked + surprised to find out you are right tho!!! i think dp3's dae support will only work for 24mixplus type systems, unles it was added in the final update of v3.11

heres the press release about HD Accell + DP 4.1
http://www.motu.com/other/press/308/accel.pdf

u may need to run osx to pull that off..
better start brushing up on your spanish :D hahahaha

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/os9/hd/
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar02/articles/pronotes0302.asp
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 20, 2015, 11:06:59 PM
SNAP I didnt think of that!  ???
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 20, 2015, 11:37:17 PM
u may need to run osx to pull that off..
better start brushing up on your spanish :D hahahaha

Bienvenido a Mac OS 9

(http://www.maquecitos.com/wp-content/uploads/Video_Bienvenida_Mac_07_02_09.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/j9h6Al.jpg)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 20, 2015, 11:43:02 PM
Might have to go with a core.

on the Mac garden, the guy that posted 5.2 said the drivers worked with HD, but it didnt work with PT. Hmmm

So it might work.

But probably not.

We shall see though!

My sis speaks spanish, I could always just text her and have her translate. Id bet She'd love that! LOL
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Knezzen on April 20, 2015, 11:43:24 PM
You need at least Pro Tools HD 5.3 to use your HD card. Pro Tools TDM 5.1.3 will only work if you have a MIX or 24 system. The 882 plugs into the legacy port of the 96 I/O and can be used with Pro Tools HD 5.3 and over on a HD system.

I have requested Pro Tools HD 5.3 a few times already, but to no avail. Someone might have it somewhere though. Otherwise I'll start sniping on eBay for a copy ;)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Knezzen on April 20, 2015, 11:45:59 PM
Might have to go with a core.
on the Mac garden, the guy that posted 5.2 said the drivers worked with HD, but it didnt work with PT. Hmmm

Pro Tools TDM 5.2 is just 5.1.3 with added support for DigiStudio. Nothing has been done to add drivers etc.

From the Digidesign archive:
Quote
Should users of Pro Tools 5.1 or 5.1.x update to Pro Tools 5.2 even if they’re not going to use the DigiStudio Internet collaboration service? No. There is no need to update to Pro Tools 5.2 if you will not be using the DigiStudio collaboration features, as there are no additional differences in functionality.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 20, 2015, 11:51:57 PM
You need at least Pro Tools HD 5.3 to use your HD card. Pro Tools TDM 5.1.3 will only work if you have a MIX or 24 system. The 882 plugs into the legacy port of the 96 I/O and can be used with Pro Tools HD 5.3 and over on a HD system.

I have requested Pro Tools HD 5.3 a few times already, but to no avail. Someone might have it somewhere though. Otherwise I'll start sniping on eBay for a copy ;)

Ive been eye balling ebay for a couple weeks with no such luck.
But if we are both looking, maybe we should exchange ebay handles so we dont get into a bidding war on it. lol That would really SUCK!
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 20, 2015, 11:59:17 PM
you need the 5.3 install disc... to use it with mac os 9 or you would need 6.2, 6.4, 6.6, or 6.9 for mac os x
those are the only versions that support HD

www.proaudiosupport.com/a26124/details-new-features-pro.html
http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/

or u could sell the 96 io + get a d24 or mix core card and use that with just your 822 interface, then you would be set because we have the software that supports those systems.

if u really want to run dp3 then why not get a motu system? pci-324 or pci-424 + motu interface (1224, 2408, 1296)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 21, 2015, 07:41:51 AM
I've never used 5.3 but it's interesting that it enables some 'cross pollination' of Mix/HD eras... I'd be curious to see which plugs from the 'Mix' era would work using HD hardware/cards?... maybe running HD at lower sampling rates??
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 21, 2015, 09:54:47 AM
you need the 5.3 install disc... to use it with mac os 9 or you would need 6.2, 6.4, 6.6, or 6.9 for mac os x
those are the only versions that support HD

www.proaudiosupport.com/a26124/details-new-features-pro.html
http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/

or u could sell the 96 io + get a d24 or mix core card and use that with just your 822 interface, then you would be set because we have the software that supports those systems.

if u really want to run dp3 then why not get a motu system? pci-324 or pci-424 + motu interface (1224, 2408, 1296)

I might go the 324 / 1224, I have a friend that I gave my old system two years ago, and he wants a prottools system and a new computer. So I may trade him my 003 and a G5 I have. So I do have access to that system. So its funny you mention that.

But I really want to rock these TDM PLUGS!

I may have to sell the hd, and go with the mix system. But that shouldnt be to hard.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 21, 2015, 10:04:55 AM
If you can't find it otherwise, I have an Image of a PT HD install in Spanish.

We can share the image with Mega if you have an account.

On second thought, let's do that to see if this works. which plugs work, ect ect.

Also, this is just a thought, but couldnt Spanish versions serial, possibly be used to download the english version?

So whats mega? So no I dont have a account, but I could make one.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Knezzen on April 21, 2015, 10:24:59 AM
I'll trade you the HD card for some working MIX cards and stuff. PM me if you're interested :)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 21, 2015, 10:31:28 AM
i dont think Digital performer would have added support for the HD hardware untill the osx version of DP (v4)
but maybe u are right? i will be shocked + surprised to find out you are right tho!!! i think dp3's dae support will only work for 24mixplus type systems, unles it was added in the final update of v3.11

heres the press release about HD Accell + DP 4.1
http://www.motu.com/other/press/308/accel.pdf

u may need to run osx to pull that off..
better start brushing up on your spanish :D hahahaha

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/os9/hd/
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar02/articles/pronotes0302.asp

Just talked to Motu tech support, Dude said his notes didn't go back that far, BUT he believes it will work with the hd card. Now all I have to do is figure out out to install the Dp file.

I downloaded Dp, from Mac Gargen, and The original install, isn't the iso image. Did the old Dp3, need to be installed from disk like the newer versions, or could it be installed just from the exe?
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 21, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
I'll trade you the HD card for some working MIX cards and stuff. PM me if you're interested :)

If this doesn't work the way I need it to, then YES I will be interested and we can for sure work out a trade. let me get this thing hooked up and try and install this software and see what happens.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Knezzen on April 21, 2015, 11:04:49 AM
Sounds like a plan! :)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 21, 2015, 11:17:26 AM
You need at least Pro Tools HD 5.3 to use your HD card. Pro Tools TDM 5.1.3 will only work if you have a MIX or 24 system. The 882 plugs into the legacy port of the 96 I/O and can be used with Pro Tools HD 5.3 and over on a HD system.

I have requested Pro Tools HD 5.3 a few times already, but to no avail. Someone might have it somewhere though. Otherwise I'll start sniping on eBay for a copy ;)

I sell the software in exchange of a HD core or a TDM card...  ;D

At least for a DSP farm or a node cable...  ;D

I have to start a TDM or HD rig as you...  ;D I Wanna be Protools5TDMGuy or Protools5HDGuy  :P

If you can't find it otherwise, I have an Image of a PT HD install in Spanish.

We can share the image with Mega if you have an account.

On second thought, let's do that to see if this works. which plugs work, ect ect.

Also, this is just a thought, but couldnt Spanish versions serial, possibly be used to download the english version?

So whats mega? So no I dont have a account, but I could make one.

Mega http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_%28service%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_%28service%29)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 21, 2015, 11:19:50 AM
Just talked to Motu tech support, Dude said his notes didn't go back that far, BUT he believes it will work with the hd card. Now all I have to do is figure out out to install the Dp file.

I downloaded Dp, from Mac Gargen, and The original install, isn't the iso image. Did the old Dp3, need to be installed from disk like the newer versions, or could it be installed just from the exe?

dont use the small ripped version on macgarden.. download the full cd iamge that we have...
it can be mounted as a toast image, actually i think u have to burn it to a real disc.. i cant remember for sure.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 21, 2015, 12:06:17 PM
If you can't find it otherwise, I have an Image of a PT HD install in Spanish.

We can share the image with Mega if you have an account.

It is a sparseimage file of 4.39 gigs. You will need OSX to expand it properly. (I made this time before we had the ASR method).

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=995.0 (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=995.0)

When I receive the HD core card, I will give in PM the link. XD   ;)

Items wanted:

HD Core

HD Process

Blue Interfaces cables

Any blue 192 or 96 IO. I do not need the analog ins cards, just the bare chassis (To use it thru SPDIF or ADAT)

Core TDM card

DSP Farms and the others DSP . Any PCI ones.

ADAT bridge

88X or 1622

ProControl

Command8

HUI

Baby HUI.

MotorMix

TASCAM FW-1884

I accept DIGI 002 too.


 ;D

Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 21, 2015, 12:09:30 PM
BUT yea CNova, the legacy should work. I will say this, it doesnt work with the omni. lol That was the hole reason I bought the 96io, I was thinking I could legacy pot the 96 to the omni, which works, and then the 882 to the 96io, which didn't. So it was totally pointless, other than now I have it to build this os9 system.

you can use up to 2 legacy devices on this legacy port but to do so u  need this y cable
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2462.0;attach=2362;image)
ive never even heard of the "omni" it must be part fo the newer products..

Quote
Speaking of stuff that isnt posted, anyone come acrosss the DUY Synth Spider! I haven't came across it in my internet travels.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec02/articles/spidersynth.asp

Quote
With that Said, I may HAVE SERATO SCRATCH! Which as soon as I get this thing up and running I will test it and see if it works. If it does Ill post! I haven't seen any one say anything about it.

that would be an excellent addition, is it TDM only?

Quote
I haven't downloaded that big os9 disk pack off mac garden yet either so both of those maybe on that. IDK Just thought Id toss it out there.

which disk pack is this?
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 21, 2015, 02:20:24 PM
ive just realized that the 192 has expansion options... and u can choose to get analog or digital inputs???
the 96io does not have this feature even tho it looks like it does.. correct?

i saw TDIF cards for digital inputs on ebay which would be good to link a pro tools system to a motu 2408 system!!!
by connecting via TDIF

can the 192 can support 4 of these cards? (32 ins + outs?) the image at the top of the thread of the 192 io that i attahced seems to indicate only 16 channels of io per 192 unit?? the 192 is referring to the "voices" then? and not the actual recording inputs?  this much i gathered but.. how then does it support 4 expansion cards??  4 banks of 8.. is the 2nd column of 2 to the right just a mirror image of the first 16 inputs? or duh.. its inputs on left column,  outputs on right column

the image i have attached that has 2 digital cards stacked seemingly was done by someone who didnt read the manual LOL apparently this spot is reserved for  A/D card .. not D/A and not following this guideline can damage the unit it says
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 21, 2015, 04:55:48 PM
unfortuantely i cant find anywhere a pt hd system asio driver for mac os 9

http://archive.digidesign.com/download/asio/53.cfm

they have it for windows xp
but i  cant find any page for the mac os 9 equivelent

WAIT WAIT WAIT
here it is???
http://archive.digidesign.com/download/sndrvr/

Quote
The Digidesign Control Panel supports the following hardware on Mac OS 9:

    Pro Tools|HD
    Pro Tools|24 MIX
    Pro Tools|24
    Digi 002
    Digi 001
    Mbox
    Audiomedia III
    Project II

there u go.. now u are sorted and can use DP3 with ASIO i think
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 21, 2015, 06:11:14 PM
i found a seller in israel that claims to have a copy of the pt 5.3 tdm disk
http://archive.digidesign.com/support/readme/PT_TDM_5.3.1_Mac_Read_Me.pdf

all docs linked on this page:
http://archive.digidesign.com/support/docs/
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 21, 2015, 06:46:05 PM
the guy who has the cd wants 50$ for it including shipping
perhaps if you guys (knezzen, lofizle) could split the cost of this with me?
15 $ each?
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Knezzen on April 21, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
unfortuantely i cant find anywhere a pt hd system asio driver for mac os 9

http://archive.digidesign.com/download/asio/53.cfm

they have it for windows xp
but i  cant find any page for the mac os 9 equivelent

WAIT WAIT WAIT
here it is???
http://archive.digidesign.com/download/sndrvr/

Quote
The Digidesign Control Panel supports the following hardware on Mac OS 9:

    Pro Tools|HD
    Pro Tools|24 MIX
    Pro Tools|24
    Digi 002
    Digi 001
    Mbox
    Audiomedia III
    Project II

there u go.. now u are sorted and can use DP3 with ASIO i think

That's just the control panel to set up the interfaces. Comes with Pro Tools, and if you don't have that, you can install the Extensions and Control Panel manually and use Direct I/O in Logic (don't know if Cubase supports this). The ASIO driver is on the bottom of tat page and only enables you to use 2 in and 2 out on your system. So just stereo in and out. The drivers are extremely unstable, so it's not something to recommend.

If you want to use ASIO in Mac OS 9, don't buy Digidesign stuff :)

ASIO drivers attached to this post. Don't know why, because they suck. Happy crashing ;)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 22, 2015, 07:14:24 AM
the guy who has the cd wants 50$ for it including shipping
perhaps if you guys (knezzen, lofizle) could split the cost of this with me?
15 $ each?

I'd go in on this too...
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 07:42:03 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181723900130

another huge success for the boys on macos9lives;)
i will be recieving the original disc + serial number.. no ilok required.
i will be receiving a digital copy of this sometime today !
it cost me 60$ canadian

mrhappy.. thats great.. the more people that contribute to this effort the cheaper it is for all contributors..
i seek only to cover the cost obviously.

thats 2 scores in one week! looks like im on a roll :) ;D lol
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 22, 2015, 08:17:47 AM
Just send me the bill ;D ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 08:51:06 AM
doe anyone know the real difference between a pt tdm mix system + a pt hd system? they are both tdm systems i get that..
but is the HD core very much superior to the Mix core? technically speaking? i mean.. like as in the difference between 16 bit, 18 bit, 20 bit 24bit recording.. ? i assume the HD means that it can record at a higher sample rate? but i did not read that info specifically... does the hd system software + hardware combo support 96k recording? 192k recording? i have no clue yet;) i will try to look it up
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Enabler on April 22, 2015, 09:08:21 AM
Nice Catch

HD vs Mix
1) 192 Tracks (Voices)
2) 192K Recording
3) 512 TDM Slots (Bigger Mixes)
4) More I/O
5) Best of All... cracks for almost every intel TDM plugin
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 22, 2015, 09:46:39 AM
Best of All... cracks for almost every intel TDM plugin

You have more voices using a Coreaudio card than with a HD2 on PT HD intels... Better a Motu828mk2 than a HD2 with a 96IO IMHO. Also, the DSP from a Core2Quad in native HD is superior than a HD2 setup.


I sell the software in exchange of a HD core or a TDM card...

I have to start a TDM or HD rig as you...  ;D I Wanna be Protools5TDMGuy or Protools5HDGuy  :P




i will be recieving the original disc + serial number.. no ilok required.
i will be receiving a digital copy of this sometime today !


You are not helping my TDM/HD rig...  ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 09:52:50 AM
settle down LE guy;)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 22, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
Off-topic
settle down LE guy;)

Using limited software make you more creative on workarounds than when using full featured software/hardware solution. That was my excuse for years for using LE instead of DSP hardware solutions.

I had confessed in several occasions that  I miss features on PT5LE. But I only use it as a mobile recording rig. I prefer to edit anywhere but on PT5LE, but if I have to, I do. Just the minor changes to keep punching more takes. And LE can move a 32 tracks session, so...

I mix on PT10HD. In my Focusrite LS56 SPDIF in is connected my MDD 866D with AM-3 and the DA GHz w/001 is ADAT connected too. I use a MIDIMAN (M-Audio) Midi Merge to split the Midi out from the LS56 to the 2 OS9 machines. 

I also have a alternative setup were Logic 6 is the king and ask my Q6600 hack with Kontakt 5 and my 866D to be my Samplers...

Do I need more? I do not think so... 
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 22, 2015, 12:20:05 PM
Sorry been buisey spring cleaning. That's AWSOME about the disk.

Ok, I though I should prolly add this! Since every one seems to be UBER intrested in this kind of system.

Alright first I don't have the docs, maybe CNova can find them, he seems to be a wizard at that. I just find the stuff and make a mental note. Lol

From what I recall, there were several version of HD! This is very important, as I think the PCI-X won't work in a G4 running os9. What you want to shop for is the pre accell, the HD Proscess! Most are listed as Prossess as in the expantion card, but I BELEAVE the Core is also considered the process. Basicaly you want a " PRE ACCELL CORE CARD"!   PCI ONLY! I think! At least that's what I bought!

Maybe the PCI and PCI-X are the same, but I'm pretty sure they had just a PCI. I Rember reading it in one of there docs, or some were.

As far as differance between MIX and HD. I know the HD does 24 bit 192. I never go that high personaly. Seems pointless becouse your just going to bounce down to 16 441.

Anyways the HD defiantly has more DSP juice. Also the 192, and 96io has a lot more input out out options, and like CNOVA pointed out, it can context to the legacy.

Also, I did forget to mention this. I have a SampleCell 2 card aswell. That can also run along side the HD. Thing is there are two docs, one says No you can't, the other says you can. Hmmm I suppose I'll find out.

Anyways, I'm also the complete opposite of less is MORE! I'm all about more more more! To an extent. If I don't like it or use it, why have it installed.

My goal, in all of this, is I want to score as many DSP cards as possible for the G4 and os9. Also I'm not going to be useing this as my DAW, I want to sequence, only if DP works! Obviously. But I'm more going to use this, as a symthesizer, Effects unit, Sample editor, outboard synth editor, SCSI Sample dumps, Midi sample dumps. Maybe even a Digital Mixer kinda.

So next up is a Korg Oasys, and Creamware card. I should also mention I have a UAD-1, that anfrwind gave me. He just either needs to ship it or, bring it. He's in another state. I also have a adat ex SCSI card in this joint aswell.

I'll snap some pics of my setup, hear shortly! I'm in the process of construction. Haha process! Get it! Der!

I also Serato Scratch is a rtas, so it will work in le systems. Thing is fuckingg bad ass two. Best scratch sound ever made for virtual. I have NO FUCKING CLUE as to why they discontinued this plug-in! They should have added way more features! But they ditched it, and stopes selling it. I even ailed them wanting to buy it, and they were kind of short with me about it. I hope it works!

Idk if you guys got this, but I have the Tc native bundle. That has this super dope LoFi plugin. One of the best. Not sure if it works under os9 though. I'll have to check.





Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 22, 2015, 12:24:33 PM
O guys are all about abandoned os9 apps, what about sample cd's?
Like the akai, and e-my stuff! Roland, floppy images ect. I have a a few things.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: MacTron on April 22, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Idk if you guys got this, but I have the Tc native bundle. That has this super dope LoFi plugin. One of the best. Not sure if it works under os9 though. I'll have to check.
Do you have the TC Works - Native Bundle 3.1 version for Mac Os 9?
Does the sidechaining compressor work?
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 22, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
Idk if you guys got this, but I have the Tc native bundle. That has this super dope LoFi plugin. One of the best. Not sure if it works under os9 though. I'll have to check.
Do you have the TC Works - Native Bundle 3.1 version for Mac Os 9?
Does the sidechaining compressor work?

Not sure about the side chain, but I purchased the bundle. So I have it for os9 OS X and windows. I just need to grab my serial and manual from my pops house.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 01:07:21 PM
from what i understand the pci-x *IS* the pci version - its the same. and it does work in mac os 9.... assuming u have the software that supports it - which i now have.

from what i read the samplecell II card *IS* still supported in HD systems.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 22, 2015, 02:17:51 PM
from what i understand the pci-x *IS* the pci version - its the same. and it does work in mac os 9.... assuming u have the software that supports it - which i now have.


The HD cards have a long 64 bits PCI connector, but it works in 32bits. That is the reason they works in Hackintosh with 32 bits PCI ports. Also, the PCIX from those late G5 is 32 bits.

All G4-G5 HD cards are 32 bits and can work on PCIExpress to PCI (or PCIX) Magma Chassis MacPros. Are Digi supported. That and the hacked 8,9 and 10 PT HD versions have made 95% Mac owners to go Magma/Hackintosh way.  I know a great studio in Madrid that were using OS9 HD5 with a Control24 till 2008. Then Hackintoshed the HD5, bought an SSL board...Now they are HDX and thinking on moving to new Nuendo with Yamaha mixers.

MixCore TDM is other beast. We know they shine on OS9. Almost unlimited DSP with setups like the Knezzen one. But it stopped been supported earlier, in Panther or Tiger. And no MacIntel TDM version ever...

I use elastic audio from PT 7.4 daily since a lot of time. TDM users have Beat Detective as an alternative. Do we have X-Form Algorithm on OS9? I can do basic TCE (Time compression - expansion) with LE, but it sound worst and is harder to use.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 02:23:24 PM

The HD cards have a long 64 bits PCI connector, but it works in 32bits. That is the reason they works in Hackintosh with 32 bits PCI ports. Also, the PCIX from those late G5 is 32 bits.


not true
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1305

they are all 64bit.. the pci only (4 ram slot) g5's have 64bit 33*MHZ* slots (same as a g4)
the pci-x g5 have a combination of 64bit 100mhz + 133mhz
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 22, 2015, 02:28:03 PM

The HD cards have a long 64 bits PCI connector, but it works in 32bits. That is the reason they works in Hackintosh with 32 bits PCI ports. Also, the PCIX from those late G5 is 32 bits.


not true
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1305

they are all 64bit.. the pci only (4 ram slot) g5's have 64bit 33*MHZ* slots (same as a g4)
the pci-x g5 have a combination of 64bit 100mhz + 133mhz

YES,  :P BUT THE CARDS ARE 32 BITS AND 33 MHZ JUST AS THE TDM ONES
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 02:40:37 PM
does this look iike a 32 bit card? no
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 22, 2015, 02:58:57 PM
does this look iike a 32 bit card? no

BUT IT IS. Research and trust me.

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/faq/en419131?q=pro+tools+10_1 (http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/faq/en419131?q=pro+tools+10_1)

I know the HD cards works on standard PCI on hacks. Not the long ones.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
i dont trust you;) its 64bit card thats *downward Compatible* with 32bit slots. If it was a 32bit card they would not need to have put a 64bit connector on it.

this is a 32 bit card;)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 03:05:58 PM
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar02/articles/pronotes0302.asp

Quote
The next big question concerns what is involved in upgrading. Firstly, you'll probably want to know which bits of existing gear you can use. Unlike all the previous new TDM PCI cards, the HD Core and HD Process cards are completely incompatible with existing boards. This means there's no mixing and matching with MIX farms, for example. On the brighter side, older audio interfaces can still be used in conjunction with the new 192I/O and 96I/O for 44/48kHz work. Each of the new units has a 'legacy' port on the back for connecting older interfaces such as the 888/24s.

Inevitably with this kind of upgrade, there will be niggles regarding compatibility of peripheral computer components. The new boards are 64-bit PCI cards and, although they will run in 32-bit PCI host machines, you'll need a recent machine to use the high sample rates and track counts. If you run with your cards in an expansion chassis, this will certainly need to be upgraded. Finally, if you want to upgrade in order to benefit from those extra tracks and sample rates, remember that both of these have a significant impact on your storage, in terms of space and performance. In three words: more drives please.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 22, 2015, 03:16:36 PM
The new boards are 64-bit PCI cards and, although they will run in 32-bit PCI host machines, you'll need a recent machine to use the high sample rates and track counts.

Translated: Long cards push too much weight on 32 bit connector. Let's make it 64-bit long to make a placebo effect on TDM users to buy the new 96-192 design. We will never implement the 64 bit until PT10 and PT11, but that is a secret that nobody has to know. We have to keep selling stuff! We are a corporation !

Let's make some money!!!

Blue 96 IO sound worst than 888 24 Ask engineers around you. 192 IO has a better design in electronics so has better analog Inputs and Outputs or something that makes PRO to "tolerate" the AD/DA from stock 192 I/O.

Those I/O ports from the 96 and 192 can handle apogee converters modules I think (?)

Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 03:33:01 PM
64 bit cards is not the same as 64bit processing
mactrons seritek card is 64bits
my Acard 6885M ide ata133 card is 64bits
these cards just have higher + Wider bandwidth for throughput...
Which is why they can record at a higher samplerate
they dont require a 64bit os
u are confused!!!
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: MacTron on April 22, 2015, 03:37:08 PM
I know the HD cards works on standard PCI on hacks. Not the long ones.
The 64 bits PCI was unusual on PCs.
... and the "hacks" are pcs ...
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 04:05:41 PM
protoolsleguy

**ALL** 64 bit cards work on 32bit short pci slots with the 64bit part hanging out but at *reduced bandwidth* reduced to 32bit size similar to how most ram ddr400 will downclock to ddr333 etc
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 22, 2015, 11:11:18 PM
Haha you guys are WAY over my head now.

All I can input is, I have a freind who just built a hacontosh, and he's raveing about how dope it is. Said I should build one. I'm building a os9 system instead.

Also, PT guy, if you like the Digi Pitch time thing, the Serato is like 100X better. Imvho! If you haven't messed with it, mess with it. It's insane DOPE! No artifacts at all. You can do some pretty extreme strachs before you get that robot rubber band sound, and even then it's sounds good. Like I said IMO way better than the digi.

I may have that as a os9 plug two. I knownI have it, just don't knownifnit works.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 11:36:11 PM
probably requires a tdm system, but le guy has only LE .. i also only have LE + M-powered currently. knezzen is the tdm wizzard
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Knezzen on April 23, 2015, 01:32:56 AM
HD vs MIX:
HD has more powerful DSPs (more TDM plugins for your pleasure)
HD supports 32bit floating point audio, wheres MIX supports "regular" 24bit audio at the most depending on the interface.
HD supports up to 192khz sample frequency depending on the interface you're using (MIX supports up to 48khz)
HD supports 128 voices compared to the MIX's 64 voices.

That's pretty much all there is to it :)

And of course, the MIX cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 4.3 under Classic Mac OS to Pro Tools TDM 6.4.2 running on OS X Panther.

The HD cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 5.3 in Mac OS 9 to Pro Tools 10 on OS X.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: IIO on April 23, 2015, 03:38:59 AM
HD supports 32bit floating point audio, wheres MIX supports "regular" 24bit audio at the most depending on the interface.

that must be a rumor.

when i recall right, mix was 8.24 (24 bits with 8 overflow bits) and HD is dual 8.24

up to HD accel version 8 all protools then remained using dual 8.24.

not before 9.0 (HDX and HD Native) they switched to 32 floating point, because at that time they also switched to 64 float for the summing engine.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 23, 2015, 07:37:57 AM
So is it possible to use 'Mix' cards AND 'HD' cards in the same system running 5.3 on OS 9?? Was there ever any kind of 'ribbon connector' to 'flex connector' adaptor??? I'm certainly NOT holding my breath on THAT one but who knows!! ;D

This whole 5.3 thing is interesting and I've never heard much about it. It seems that most people went from PT5 right to an OS X version, skipping over this 5.3 'mix and match' release! ;D

I was kinda surprised to read that my Digi 7 slot chassis will run HD cards!!

I must say that I've been having a LOT of fun with my 'new' OS9/ PT5.1.3/expansion chassis rig... Running 5 'Mix' cards (I have more cards but need a ribbon cable with more nodes!!)

If those HD-pci cards are a 'drop and swap' with PT5.3, then a chassis full would be some MAJOR OS 9/PT horsepower!!!

Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 23, 2015, 08:06:38 AM
probably requires a tdm system, but le guy has only LE .. i also only have LE + M-powered currently. knezzen is the tdm wizzard

I'm SURE that I've run Serato's 'PitchN'Time' (or whatever its called) on my PT 001 rig, so there must be RTAS (or maybe Audiosuite)... and I agree with LoFizie that it works pretty well. If we don't have here I can upload the version that I have.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Knezzen on April 23, 2015, 12:51:06 PM
So is it possible to use 'Mix' cards AND 'HD' cards in the same system running 5.3 on OS 9?? Was there ever any kind of 'ribbon connector' to 'flex connector' adaptor??? I'm certainly NOT holding my breath on THAT one but who knows!! ;D

Nope, you can't. It's either MIX or HD.

HD supports 32bit floating point audio, wheres MIX supports "regular" 24bit audio at the most depending on the interface.

that must be a rumor.

when i recall right, mix was 8.24 (24 bits with 8 overflow bits) and HD is dual 8.24

up to HD accel version 8 all protools then remained using dual 8.24.

not before 9.0 (HDX and HD Native) they switched to 32 floating point, because at that time they also switched to 64 float for the summing engine.


Yes, you are correct. The 56k line of DSP's where only used with 24bit fixed point at the most.

I stand corrected ;)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 23, 2015, 01:04:59 PM
If those HD-pci cards are a 'drop and swap' with PT5.3, then a chassis full would be some MAJOR OS 9/PT horsepower!!!

I am super close to testing this. I have an HD3 rig with a 96I/O already installed into the FW800 (running 9Lives 9.2.2). I currently only have PT 5.1.3, so I can't do the test yet. As soon as I get 5.3 I'll be able to test it.

The packaging for 5.3 states that it work with OS9, so I expect it will work. My main interest is getting DAE working on this for use with StudioVision, but while I'm at it I'll get PT running as well. :P
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 01:10:07 PM
big thank you to mr happy for being the first one to contribute 20$ for pt 5.3.1
which leave only 40 dollars left to cover the cost of this app 100%
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 23, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
Some great news. I have PT 5.3.1 running on the 9Lives 9.2.2 with a FW800, PT HD3 with a 96 i/o. As a quick test I added 8 tracks, set them all to record, and it worked great.

I'll be doing some more serious tests.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 04:38:49 PM
a bit of history on member Chokobo.. he informed me that he used to work for both Digidesign +Opcode in the past.
 ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
MIX cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 4.3 under Classic Mac OS to Pro Tools TDM 6.4.2 running on OS X Panther.
The HD cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 5.3 in Mac OS 9 to Pro Tools 10 on OS X.

So is it possible to use 'Mix' cards AND 'HD' cards in the same system running 5.3 on OS 9?? Was there ever any kind of 'ribbon connector' to 'flex connector' adaptor??? I'm certainly NOT holding my breath on THAT one but who knows!! ;D

This whole 5.3 thing is interesting and I've never heard much about it. It seems that most people went from PT5 right to an OS X version, skipping over this 5.3 'mix and match' release! ;D

I was kinda surprised to read that my Digi 7 slot chassis will run HD cards!!

im guessing that the cards cannot be used together... in the same system. MIX vs HD
i think the only compatibility is via the legacy port provided on the back of the 96 + 192 io 's..
meaning u can use the hardware units (888/882/1622) with the hd system but not the MIX cards.... anyone else care to comment on this? lets get this clarified before someone goes out and makes a costly mistake purchase!
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 23, 2015, 05:25:39 PM
a bit of history on member Chokobo.. he informed me that he used to work for both Digidesign +Opcode in the past.
 ;D

This is true--although many many years ago. :P


MIX cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 4.3 under Classic Mac OS to Pro Tools TDM 6.4.2 running on OS X Panther.
The HD cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 5.3 in Mac OS 9 to Pro Tools 10 on OS X.

So is it possible to use 'Mix' cards AND 'HD' cards in the same system running 5.3 on OS 9?? Was there ever any kind of 'ribbon connector' to 'flex connector' adaptor??? I'm certainly NOT holding my breath on THAT one but who knows!! ;D

This whole 5.3 thing is interesting and I've never heard much about it. It seems that most people went from PT5 right to an OS X version, skipping over this 5.3 'mix and match' release! ;D

I was kinda surprised to read that my Digi 7 slot chassis will run HD cards!!

im guessing that the cards cannot be used together... in the same system. MIX vs HD
i think the only compatibility is via the legacy port provided on the back of the 96 + 192 io 's..
meaning u can use the hardware units (888/882/1622) with the hd system but not the MIX cards.... anyone else care to comment on this? lets get this clarified before someone goes out and makes a costly mistake purchase!

I'm pretty sure that's the case. There is also a point where the software stopped supporting the legacy port, but I've never experimented with it. I only picked up the HD rig last night.

I gave up on my PT Mix rig when I couldn't find the things I wanted on it. Shut down the machine, and bought an i7 4 core mini. :P That was an awesome machine. Did way more than any PT machine I ever had. I'm only now putting this system together to gain access to a StudioVision machine, which can only be on OS9. SV totally rocked, and I miss it. I'm blown away by the support you cats have put together for OS9. It's really awesome.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 06:43:23 PM
splash image from the pt 5.3.1 TDM/HD installer

did Studio Vision support audio recording from TDM systems???
i could see how it may be possible for it to have supported TDM MIX but definately not TDM HD as this wasnt out till years after opcodes demise.

as posted earlier in the thread the question was put forth if DP3.11 was ablet o record from PT HD systems.. I found the article mentioning PT HD "ACCEL" support on DP 4.1.... but its unclear if DP3.11 was able to work with the HD1/HD2/HD3 systems... i think HD "Accell" is referencing the PCIE HD systems? and not the pci-x HD cards??

if only Lofizle could test this.. or perhaps Chokobo could try to install dP3.11 from our downloads and see whether or not the HD rig is supported in this app?
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 23, 2015, 06:45:59 PM
The font used is more similar to the PT6 stuff than the 5.0 to 5.2 stuff. Look my avatar.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 23, 2015, 07:26:32 PM
splash image from the pt 5.3.1 TDM/HD installer

did Studio Vision support audio recording from TDM systems???
i could see how it may be possible for it to have supported TDM MIX but definately not TDM HD as this wasnt out till years after opcodes demise.

as posted earlier in the thread the question was put forth if DP3.11 was ablet o record from PT HD systems.. I found the article mentioning PT HD "ACCEL" support on DP 4.1.... but its unclear if DP3.11 was able to work with the HD1/HD2/HD3 systems... i think HD "Accell" is referencing the PCIE HD systems? and not the pci-x HD cards??

if only Lofizle could test this.. or perhaps Chokobo could try to install dP3.11 from our downloads and see whether or not the HD rig is supported in this app?

StudioVision was the first third party app to use the DAE engine. It was a big deal, and Opcode signed an exclusive with Digi so that they had like a year's head start. That went away quickly because of all the issues with developing software first--pioneers vs. settlers.

Seal's first album was done with SV. I actually got to speak with Trevor Horn while they were working on it. That was super cool.

It is quite possible that SV wont work on the HD system. I just installed 4.2 from the CD, but it's asking for the floppy install key--there's no floppy drive on the FW800. Damn I hate PACE. I thought I had the 4.51 version on a drive, but I'm not finding it. Time to fire up the Gigibyte machine.

I just tried Sound Designer. It doesn't work. I'm really sad about this as it's probably my favorite Digi app. It was written with MacApp, and Evan was pretty much the only cat that knew the code. Mark Jefferies (sp?) could probably wrench on it. Anyway, we tried hard to get them to release a version that didn't check for hardware. We did have a version that ran on the lappies. That was super cool--but digi didn't want to release it.

I'm running the PCI-X cards. The PCIe cards wouldn't work on the FW800. I also have a 1.6 G5 that I bought specifically because it still had the older slots. I have a Mix system (I think it's a plus) in that machine--it works quite well. But finding TDM plugins that run on Mix in OS X 10.3.9 is beyond difficult. I eventually caved, and bought the Mac Mini. The only thing I missed was the Indigo synth. I'm hoping to get it running on the FW800 in OS9.

My understanding, and I could be totally wrong is that an HD system has a Core, an HD2 has a Core, and an Accel, and the HD3 has a Core, and two Accel cards. That's what I have--I may have gotten the nomenclature wrong.

Are you guys able to see shared drives on OS9 from the newer OS X? The nMP running Yosemite can't see the OS9 drives. I have to share to the G5, and then from it to the G4 just to move the files around. The G5 sees both machines, but the G4, and the nMP are oblivious to each other.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 23, 2015, 07:29:46 PM
Yeah... definite 'font morphage'! ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 23, 2015, 07:35:15 PM
so what's the difference between the Hd 'Process' and 'Accel' cards??
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 23, 2015, 07:37:39 PM
BTW... Nice to have you aboard Chokobo... love the 'insider' info!! Haha ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 07:37:52 PM
It is quite possible that SV wont work on the HD system. I just installed 4.2 from the CD, but it's asking for the floppy install key--there's no floppy drive on the FW800. Damn I hate PACE. I thought I had the 4.51 version on a drive, but I'm not finding it. Time to fire up the Gigibyte machine

there are fixed installers. links are in the sticky thread in the opcode section of the site here. they require no floppy to install.

I'm running the PCI-X cards. The PCIe cards wouldn't work on the FW800. I also have a 1.6 G5 that I bought specifically because it still had the older slots. I have a Mix system (I think it's a plus) in that machine--it works quite well. But finding TDM plugins that run on Mix in OS X 10.3.9 is beyond difficult. I eventually caved, and bought the Mac Mini. The only thing I missed was the Indigo synth. I'm hoping to get it running on the FW800 in OS9.

wow.. wait.. TDM mix works in a g5?? i had no idea that was compatible... i have a 1.8ghz pci-x g5..

My understanding, and I could be totally wrong is that an HD system has a Core, an HD2 has a Core, and an Accel, and the HD3 has a Core, and two Accel cards. That's what I have--I may have gotten the nomenclature wrong.

yes thats exactly as i understand it aswell.

Are you guys able to see shared drives on OS9 from the newer OS X? The nMP running Yosemite can't see the OS9 drives. I have to share to the G5, and then from it to the G4 just to move the files around. The G5 sees both machines, but the G4, and the nMP are oblivious to each other.

from os9 to snow leopard is as far as it goes i think.. then they changed the AFP authentication or something. i use a core2duo pc running NAS4FREE which has an AFP daemon installed.. and AFP protects the apple file structure (resource fork) and allows me to mount the server share on os9 + even on mountain lion i think.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 23, 2015, 07:52:50 PM

I'm running the PCI-X cards. The PCIe cards wouldn't work on the FW800. I also have a 1.6 G5 that I bought specifically because it still had the older slots. I have a Mix system (I think it's a plus) in that machine--it works quite well. But finding TDM plugins that run on Mix in OS X 10.3.9 is beyond difficult.

Yeah interesting... the G5 1.6 slots are pre-'x'...just plain ol' PCI.

I can imagine that you were in 'orphan land' as far as plugs for a G5 with Mix cards on OS X!!!
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 23, 2015, 08:03:49 PM
Some great news. I have PT 5.3.1 running on the 9Lives 9.2.2 with a FW800, PT HD3 with a 96 i/o.


This post just underscores some the great stuff that's been going' on here lately!! ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 23, 2015, 08:09:03 PM

I'm running the PCI-X cards. The PCIe cards wouldn't work on the FW800. I also have a 1.6 G5 that I bought specifically because it still had the older slots. I have a Mix system (I think it's a plus) in that machine--it works quite well. But finding TDM plugins that run on Mix in OS X 10.3.9 is beyond difficult. I eventually caved, and bought the Mac Mini. The only thing I missed was the Indigo synth. I'm hoping to get it running on the FW800 in OS9.

wow.. wait.. TDM mix works in a g5?? i had no idea that was compatible... i have a 1.8ghz pci-x g5..


Cats and Dogs living together...what's this world coming too!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 23, 2015, 08:21:08 PM
Yeah I'm glad to be here too. :) You cats are like my lost brothers or something. ;)

The 1.6 G5 came with the PCI slots. It was basically a G4 logic board with a slow G5 processor on it. They of course weren't very popular. At the time I got my G5 1.6 my friend was doing sound design in LA--he use to work at Digi, and he told me that the cats at Disney were running the PT Mix rigs on these 1.6 machines. So when one showed up on Craig's for hella cheap I pounced. This was never a supported configuration, but at least they didn't code it to not work.
 
Everything was swimming until I tried to get even basic plugins, and well I gave up and got the Mini--after about five years. Plus I really hated paying PACE $25 for each plugin I was abel to find on teh eBay. I have PT 6.4.1. running on that machine, with DP 4.61. No SV love on that computer.

Back to the current project: SV 4.2.2 wants the ASIO drivers. I remember there was an init that enabled that tech, but I can't seem to find it in the digi folders. The 4.51 SV file doesn't want to come down in a version that unstuffs successfully.

I can't find the DP 3.1 on the forum, but I think I have the installer CD around here somewhere.

Thanks for the network info. Looks like I need to keep the G5 running as my portage machine. :P

Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
pci-x stands for pci extended..
they are both compatible with each other 100% u
ie: u can put a pci-x card into a pci slot and a pci card into a pci-x slot
there is just downgrading happening if u put a pci-x into a pci slot
it wont operate *AS FAST* but it will still operate..

i just didnt know that they worked in a g5... i knew + Expected them to work
in pt 6.x in a g4 running OSX but . had never considered that they could
be installed in a g5.. i guess then the PT HD systems most likely were
used in G5's moreso then G4's given that the g5 made it appearance about 1 year after the hd core cards hit the market

chokobos g5 1.6:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.6.html

my g5 1.8:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8.html

the pci architecture between these two machines definately has differences.. i can tell u that my delta 1010LT card from m-audio is compatible only in pci-x (8 ram slots) machines.. and will not work correctly in the any g5 with only 4 ram slots. there is a different pci controller chip in these machines that introduced some incompatibility that produced intermittant static every 10 seconds or so when attempting to use the 3.3v compatible delta cards. this would also apply to the audiophile 2496 + other delta cards i think aswell.

i attached an image of the 1.6 g5 motherboard
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 23, 2015, 08:45:46 PM
I read that the main reason digi made the X boards is because the Mix systems didn't work on the G5 machines. I was long gone by then so I'd have to ask someone that was still there to know for sure. I think it had something to do with supplied power that the Mix cards needed. But I really don't know.

Yeah if I can't get SV to work with the HD cards I'll probably switch the Mix to the G4, and put the HD stuff in the G5. I got the HD setup for an insanely low price. A friend is upgrading his studio, and he let me have the old stuff for a number resembling a most recent holiday, and I don't mean earthday. :P

Chris--I bet you you can type the word "system" in your sleep!

Some great news. I have PT 5.3.1 running on the 9Lives 9.2.2 with a FW800, PT HD3 with a 96 i/o.


This post just underscores some the great stuff that's been going' on here lately!! ;D

I am truly blown away by the effort--seriously guys, you have done an awesome thing.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 23, 2015, 08:57:20 PM

StudioVision was the first third party app to use the DAE engine. It was a big deal, and Opcode signed an exclusive with Digi so that they had like a year's head start. That went away quickly because of all the issues with developing software first--pioneers vs. settlers.

Seal's first album was done with SV. I actually got to speak with Trevor Horn while they were working on it. That was super cool.


 :o

StudioVision killed the analog recorder star!
BTW... Nice to have you aboard Chokobo... love the 'insider' info!! Haha ;D

Agree!

Yeah I'm glad to be here too. :) You cats are like my lost brothers or something. ;)

The 1.6 G5 came with the PCI slots. It was basically a G4 logic board with a slow G5 processor on it. They of course weren't very popular. At the time I got my G5 1.6 my friend was doing sound design in LA--he use to work at Digi, and he told me that the cats at Disney were running the PT Mix rigs on these 1.6 machines. So when one showed up on Craig's for hella cheap I pounced. This was never a supported configuration, but at least they didn't code it to not work.
 

I can't believe Mix work on G5 1.6. It said crearly everywhere that it shouldn't

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/90978-pro-tools-mix-ppc-g5-pci-any-ideas-how.html (https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/90978-pro-tools-mix-ppc-g5-pci-any-ideas-how.html)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 09:05:05 PM
yes u can tell by looking at the pci card if it has 2 notches within the 32bit part of the card then it is pci 3.3v compatible..which is the voltage in the slots of the g5s... as far as i know this applies the same to both the 4 ram slots / 8 ram slots g5s... pci vs pci-x..

(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2462.0;attach=2385;image)

visually the mix card looks like it should be 3.3v compatible
perhaps they made some cards that are 3.3v compatible? (found in g5's)
perhaps there are more older mix cards that have only one notch that require 5v pci slots
(Found in g3/g4 + pci powermacs + pcs)

knez do u have mix cards with only on notch in the pci connection? (5v)

remember this image:
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2462.0;attach=2394;image)

ok so consulting the pci guide image here, it the presence of the first notch that indicates 3.3v compatibility, the 2nd notch 5v compatibility.. and the presence of both, means that it can support both 3.3 + 5v

so according to this the mix card IS 3.3v + 5v compatible..
*at least the one imaged above* like i said there maybe older cards that only have the 5v notch in the card

the difference in bandwidth between 32bit pci cards + 64bit extended pci cards
would explain the ability of the hd cards to support double the voices. because they have literally double the bandwidth (133mb/s for the 32bit short cards, 266mb/s for the 64bit extended long cards)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 09:24:16 PM
this is a real head*uck if it does turn out that the *PCI* non-PCI-X G5's (with 4 ram slots) are actually are compatible with only 5v PCI + not 3.3V
*** checking the image i posted above of the 1.6ghz g5 motherboard... the slots are keyed for 3.3v, u can tell by looking at the slot itself on the pic of the motherboard so they are not 5v.. they are 3.3v

of the g5s there were 4 models that had 4 mem slot + different pci architecture heres a list:

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.6.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp_2.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_2.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_pci.html

when i had bought my g5 some years ago, i originally got the dual 1.8ghz g5 that has only 4 ram lots (PCI not PCIX, 2nd link down in the above list) and maybe thats why it didnt work with my updated delta 1010LT.. but this would mean that the "universal card" truely wasnt made to spec for being "universal" wouldnt it ;D

i have now a 5v version of the delta 1010LT.. but ive since swapped that Dual 1.8ghz(PCI system) with 4 rams lots  for a single 1.8ghz (PCI-X system) with 8 ram slots... swapped with someone from craigslist who took the opportunity to get a "FREE UPGRADE" to a dual processor machine, as he didnt have any pci hardware to worry about compatibility with.. so i have no way of testing that theory..
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 10:01:25 PM
from the thread that protoolsLE5guy posted:

this shows the g5 lineup simply.. according to dated releases, from lowend (left)
to high end (right)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 10:08:09 PM
it must work with the PCI lowend systems: read this post by "frenkonio" on gearslutz: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/2048676-post42.html

Quote
I'm your solution
I'm using a G5 Dual 2.0 Ghz (EARLY 2005 version, see mactracker for better infos) with 3 Gb of ram, Panther 10.3.9 and PT 6.4.1cs4 (last version) and Mix3 system.
Everything works flawlessy!
If your G5 was shipped with Tiger (like mine) you can only copy the entire OS from an external firewire HD with Panther installed. Insert the Tiger installation disc (don't install the OS!), go on DISK UTILITY, then RESTORE and simply drag & drop the external Panther HD icon (source) and the internal HD icon (destination).
There's no way to install Panther with the installation disc if the G5 was shipped with Tiger. Anyway you can check everything on mactracker.

he describes his workaround to put panther on a tiger-shipped g5... as the pt 6.4 requires 10.3.x

im really shocked by this information. i had no idea this was possible. and i would think most people would think its not. even still... i would rather stay with mac os 9.. or go all the way to intel quad ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: IIO on April 23, 2015, 10:11:54 PM
so what's the difference between the Hd 'Process' and 'Accel' cards??

the master HD card will still be the same, but for PT 6.1 and above you can use HD accel cards for all other slots, they are more than two times faster and offer you more tracks, and most plug-ins from that period and later could make extra benefit on the accel cards.

the issues with G5 compatibilty was about the same as with HD.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: IIO on April 23, 2015, 10:22:32 PM
oh damn, it is on page 2, i thought posting didnt work :D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: IIO on April 23, 2015, 10:23:55 PM
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Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 10:25:53 PM
WOW reading further into the thread that ptle5guy posted
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/2155712-post66.html

this guy using a PCI expansion chassis with a Dual 2.7ghz G5 (PCI-X) with a MIX system, and working flawless because his expansion chassis host card supports PCI-X.. and his chassis obviously supports the cards.. crazy!

cant believe he got his dual 2.7 to run panther.. first of all..
and then to get the mix cards to work via this expansion chassis. wow.

reading further in the thread:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/5489554-post85.html

this guy explictly says he had his card installed in one of the actual slots of the g5 PCI-X 2.7 model and it worked..
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 23, 2015, 11:23:58 PM
Wow can you cats type fast. =8<>

Well I'm hitting a wall with the DP3 action. I burned a disc, it mounts, it will even try to install from it, but for some reason when it checks to verify that the CD is in the system it states that it can not locate the installer CD. I suppose I could put the drive and CD in another computer and give it a shot. :P

I hardly ever use PT. I am much more of a sequencer user. With OS9 it was SV, and with OS X it was back to DP. So the work I did with the Mix system on the 1.6 G5 was nearly all with Digital Performer. But it worked as well as any system I've had--these computers being touchy and all. :P

I read through the GS post on the G5 Mix action. I didn't realize that there were other PCI based G5 machines. I guess they came after I had already bought one.

The thing is, as cool as Panther is, Tiger is a big jump forward, and Mix doesn't make the transition. Also, PT 6.4.1 has some issues. One more rev would have made a big deal. The thing I found to make it the hardest was finding plugins that would work within those limits.

DP 4.61 works pretty well on that system. In addition to basic plugins that came with PT I had sourced Maxim, the JoeMeek Compressor, the Meequalizer, Indigo 2.2, and that's it. I think there's a version of the FocusRite D's that work, but I was unable to source those. Pretty much everything I found at that point was an HD plugin. And because of PACE being a rip off factory it cost $25 just to transfer the copy protection key. Which generally was more than the cost of the plugin. Now if the plugin issue could be solved... :P
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 11:32:39 PM
re: dp3
you must have to burn the actual toasts image to a cd using toast 5
and install with it in the drive
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: IIO on April 23, 2015, 11:35:01 PM
with some stuff you can be happy already if the transfer of pace licenses is allowed at all.

for protools 7-9 for example it is not possible, so when you buy old HD cards for OSX including protools dongle - and you want to be registered for some reason – you have to be careful not to loose your ilok key, because if you do, you have to buy again. :)

waves ... even worse.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: IIO on April 23, 2015, 11:41:19 PM
I can't believe Mix work on G5 1.6. It said crearly everywhere that it shouldn't

i think he was wrong about what mac he has. there was a G5 1.6 with PCI 33MHz and one with mixed PCI standards. he probably has the one with PCI only and that can work, but at the time PT 6.1.1 came out, it was not officially supported by digidesign.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 23, 2015, 11:51:18 PM
there was a G5 1.6 with PCI 33MHz and one with mixed PCI standards. he probably has the one with PCI only and that can work, but at the time PT 6.1.1 came out, it was not officially supported by digidesign.

there is only one model 1.6ghz g5. and yes u are correct. it featured only 33mhz 64bit pci slots. same as the g4. but they still output only 3.3v i believe. they were not 5v slots as in the g4.

this page is helpful: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/faq/powermac-g5-number-type-speed-pci-pci-x-pcie-slots.html
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 24, 2015, 12:40:50 AM
there was a G5 1.6 with PCI 33MHz and one with mixed PCI standards. he probably has the one with PCI only and that can work, but at the time PT 6.1.1 came out, it was not officially supported by digidesign.

there is only one model 1.6ghz g5. and yes u are correct. it featured only 33mhz 64bit pci slots. same as the g4. but they still output only 3.3v i believe. they were not 5v slots as in the g4.

this page is helpful: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/faq/powermac-g5-number-type-speed-pci-pci-x-pcie-slots.html

I think I read that the 1.6 PCI slots were the 5v slots, and that's why they actually work with the Mix systems. It makes more sense that they are 5v. I just looked at the System Profiler on the G5, but it doesn't show anything. I suppose if you really want to know I could put a multimeter in there and find out. :P

Is there anything that would cause the MMD/FW800 machines in OS9 mode to be horrendously slow over ethernet? From the G5 to the G4 machines takes forever. To the G5 from the nMP it's super quick. Took almost an hour to transfer the DP3 toast image to the G4 (I'm going to try to use its burner since it didn't like the coaster I made with the G5's burner).
Title: sharing files between mac os x + mac os 9 directly
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 01:14:52 AM
it shouldnt take long at all - u must have something up with your networking config.
are u using a gigabit switch to connect the two? or a router?  perhaps your router settings are incorrect, or you are using a 10/100 router.

if u are having such problems just redownload it directly on the g4 from the source u originally downloaded it from. the mdd definately has gigabit ethernet of course.

i thought id shared files from snow leopard or Leopard/Tiger to mac so 9 before
i forget how to do it lol because i use my nas4free server which has netatalk AFP
and it works beautifully

when all else fails .. just use FTP.. set up the g5 as a ftp server with system preferences and connect from the os9 machine with an ftp client
thats what i would do if i didnt have a fileserver

which osx is on your g5?
if its tiger u can try this: http://www.hornware.com/sharepoints/
might work in panther? ok they have diff version of sharepoints for each osx revision.

Quote
SharePoints is an application or a preference pane that makes it easy to add and delete share points like in the old Finder. In Mac OS X, by default, you are limited to sharing only what is in your public folder in your home directory. This program makes it easy to share any folder.
In addition SharePoints also brings back users and groups management to Mac OS X as well as easy configuration of AppleFileServer (AFS) and Samba (SMB) Server properties.

i just tested the above from os 9.2.2 to tiger 10.4.11 and it works 100%
u can connect to the share from os9 by going to apple menu > chooser
and typing the ip (Which u can observe on the g5 in the system preferences > network) and it will prompt u for username/pass to connect as, and then display the shares that u have access permissions for.

just make sure to enable the shares "AFS" applefileserver pulldown menu from disabled to enabled in sharepoints... u hit browse to select the folder u want to share in sharepoints and it it does all the hardwork for u when u hit "update share"
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 24, 2015, 02:52:19 AM
Well I got Toast installed on the FW800, then burned the disc, and then installed 3.01. I tried to do the update, but it needs 3.02, so I'm looking for that now. ;P

The 3.02 patch is located here:

http://www.motu.com/download/download_matching_downloads.html?product_id=1

That update went well. ;)

Then the 3.11 update went well.

Launched DP 3.11, created a new session, and then went to turn on DAE.

Got the error dialog:

The DAE requires a mixer plug-in in order to use TDM. To use the DAE, make sure that you have a mixer plugin located in your "TDM plug-ins" folder, or reconfigure your hardware to not use TDM.

Looking in the DAE Plug-ins folder in the System folder I see a stereo mixer plugin.

And then I found this:

http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/pro-tools-requires-mixer-plug-tdm-plug-ins-folder/

Quote
“Pro Tools requires the mixer Plug-In to be in the TDM Plug-Ins folder” after installing Pro Tools version 3.1/3.2 and Digital performer on a Nubus Mac with System 7.
Article #22436
The Plug-Ins folder needs to be named “TDM Plug-Ins” and not “Plug-Ins”. Apparently Digital Performer renames the folder after installing itself and its components into the DAE folder, including a later version of DAE and DSI. Another component it installs may also be Time Compression/Expansion, which can cause the system to hang while launching. Removing these elements, renaming the TDM Plug-Ins folder and verifying Mixer version 1.2 to be present should resolve the problem.

I tried to rename the folder, but got the same error.

Still messing around, and doing some search action...
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 03:19:52 AM
http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/error_message/en319845

according to this IT WILL WORK!

Quote
Can I run Digital Performer with Pro Tools|HD hardware?
Yes, it works works, but only in MAS mode (i.e. Direct I/O). Communicating with TDM hardware via Direct I/O, however, will only all you access to the first 8 inputs of your primary audio interface. (You can customize which inputs to use in the Hardware Setup window). As it has been reported, Digital Performer almost always freezes on quitting if you are using Direct I/O with the HD hardware. A workaround is to switch to MIDI only before quitting. Then it closes with no problem. This report was based on Digital Performer v3.02. DP 3.1 should have DAE support for PT|HD systems.

this is massive!! to find this article.. as its directly referencing the *OS 9 VERSION* of motu DP..  perfect!!

so the above is saying that it works in MAS mode (non-DAE) for 3.02, and that 3.11 should have proper DAE mode support for PT HD systems.
did u try checking any documentation packaged with the 3.11 update?
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 24, 2015, 03:48:19 AM
Well, I suppose it should be working.  :-\

I can select DAE, but

Shoot something must have changed because it didn't fail this time when I went to check it. Oh nope, it just brought up another dialog box before it failed with the same no mixer plugin issue.

I can set it to just use the interface as an i/o, but then there's no DSP support with that option. And it is true, if you set it to use the interface as an i/o DP crashes on quit, and the machine must be restarted because it hangs when DP crashes.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 03:53:08 AM
dont u need a direct io driver from digidesign to be installed to use direct i/o?

http://archive.digidesign.com/download/dio/
http://archive.digidesign.com/download/daedsi/

the daedsi page lists something for 5.3/HD

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DAE 5.3 R2 Update for Pro Tools|HD on Macintosh

    Addresses Errors with Plug-In Inserts Menu Operation

What's Fixed in DAE 5.3 R2?

    Some Plug-Ins Are Incorrectly Listed Twice or Missing from the Plug-In Inserts Menu

With Pro Tools TDM 5.3, one or more plug-ins may appear to be missing from the Plug-In Inserts menu, while other plugins may be listed twice. Additionally, selecting one of the duplicate plug-in names from the menu may actually instantiate one of the "missing" plug-ins. DAE 5.3 R2 corrects this problem.

Who Should Use This Update?

This update should be used only by Pro Tools|HD system owners using Pro Tools TDM 5.3 and the first revision of DAE 5.3, which shipped with Pro Tools|HD systems in the first quarter of 2002. Beginning in April 2002, the Pro Tools 5.3 Installer CD ROM automatically installs DAE 5.3 R2. Pro Tools|HD customers who received DAE 5.3 R2 do not to need to use this update.

http://archive.digidesign.com/support/readme/DAE_5.3_R2_Read_Me.pdf
u might try reinstalling pt hd 5.3.1 now that dp3.11 is installed? i dunno.. im grasping at straws....

found this thread:
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/428367/Re_does_run_DIGITAL_PERFORMER_
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 04:13:31 AM
ok wait - lets back up abit here

what are your settings in DP3.11?
under the "Basics" pulldown > audio system > "Motu Audio System" is checked
under "configure audio system" > "configure hardware driver" it might be set to ASIO by default
u need to change this.. other options are : Sound manager, digidesign audiomedia III, Digidesign Direct I/O, Korg 1212, Motu PCI-324, Motu Firewire Audio, ASIO..

u want to try DIRECT IO!!!

as the above tip said.. before u quit make sure to change "audio system" to "midi only" before you try to quit to avoid the crash!!!
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 04:21:00 AM
Quote
Apparently Digital Performer renames the folder after installing itself and its components into the DAE folder, including a later version of DAE and DSI.

this is why i said to reinstall pro tools HD 5.3.1, maybe the DAE/DSI its installed is actually an older version... and reinstalling PT might correct the problem.

ok i just checked and the PT 5.3.1 installation is from june 2002 (http://archive.digidesign.com/download/531/)
the 3.11 dp update is from oct 2002 (2002/10/22) . so.. ok. it not an older version..

but like the article said. it *should* support the hd hardware in DAE mode..as it was released 3 months after the updated pt hd was released.. the original hd software 5.3 version having been released even earlier in the year in early 2002.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 24, 2015, 05:28:32 AM
Yeah I really don't want direct i/o, because that doesn't use the DSP, and well the 96 isn't really the best i/o available. ;P It's all about the TDM DSP action. :P

The other problem is if you select direct i/o then when you quit DP, even if you select something different later, then you are going to crash, and crash hard. It's not a pretty sight.

When you have an HD system the DSI doesn't get installed, unless you ask for the SampleCell support. Then it installed DSI 5.1.1.

I've tried reinstalling a couple of times (it's how I know the above). PT is working, but neither SV or DP are working with DAE 5.3.1.

If you have PT LE, and are running an i/o that doesn't have the TDM cards then the only available option is direct i/o. So I can see why on that thread folks were setting up their DP to run direct i/o.

I also can't get at any working version of SV 4.5.1. Most of the DLs are gonnified. The ones that still appear wont DL, with one exception, and that one wont uncompress.

Anyway I'm zonked. I've been at this all day. Thanks so much for all the help Chris--don't you sleep? :P I'm impressed by your ability to find stuff. Your Google-foo must be something to see.

I learned a bunch today, and got a lot of things working on the FW800. Even though my main goal of StudioVision isn't happening yet, it still feels like a successful day. And if I have to switch out the PT hardware to the Mix system that's okay. The HD system can go in the G5, and it wont be stapled to Panther any longer. That's actually a big win for the G5 rig. ;)

If I can find a 4.51 SV I'll give that a go. If not tomorrow I'll swap out the hardware. 4.22 of SV should be pretty sweet on the FW800 with a Mix plus setup. :)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 06:27:59 AM
i have all the opcode files + yes my google-fu is next level ;D lol
i am the dragon warrior hyyyaaa

id say the chances of SVP working with the HD system is pretty much slim to none!!
u definately want to use the mix cards for SVP... if not ProTools24.. at least those cards were out when opcode was around.

why not just keep the hd system running pt5.3.1
and use your other machine to feed its inputs with the outputs
from the mixsystem running SVP, old meets new ;)
midi production in SVP, record,post-process,+mix in PT|HD

anyway u slice it your going to have less support for PT|HD system in mac os 9..
as it came out as all the major players were gettin ready to move over to OSX..
thats why im quite surprised to see that article quoted above stating that dp3.11 would support DAE on the HD system!! i hope it turns out to be true!
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 24, 2015, 06:49:55 AM

 :P I'm impressed by your ability to find stuff. Your Google-foo must be something to see.



Yeah, no kidding! Chris is a 'Jedi Master Googler'!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 24, 2015, 06:52:34 AM

I learned a bunch today...

I'll second THAT one!! Haha ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: MacTron on April 24, 2015, 02:29:21 PM
The DP3 updates were added to the DP3 download section.

https://www.adrive.com/public/PGBvSB/DP3.11combinedUpdater.sit

This file includes the 3.02 and 3.11 updates, alongside MOTU audio System 2.4, Free Midi 1.48 and other minor updates.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 02:33:50 PM
strange i was sure that the 3.11 update was already posted... !
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
if I have to switch out the PT hardware to the Mix system that's okay. The HD system can go in the G5, and it wont be stapled to Panther any longer. That's actually a big win for the G5 rig. ;)

yea it seems thats probably going to give u more freedom in options on which versions to run both upwards + downwards...  with hd in the g5 u can go up all the way to 10 if u want... or run even the lowest version of jaguar with 6.x

the tdm mix cards are definately a better match for the g4 ESPECIALLY if its your aim to get them to work with actually recording audio in studiovision.

still its very cool that the hd system will work in os9 with pt 5.31, i wish we could find out if theres any other supportings appls.. it would be nice to figure out if dp3.11 really does support the hd hardware..
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 24, 2015, 04:00:32 PM
Hey Chris, again thanks for all the help yesterday.

Today I started out in verification mode. I pulled out my old Mac Genius ARD disc, and ran the FW800 through the tests. It did just fine. ;)

I then ran the DigiTest on it. DigiTest found the HD Core card, which tested well, but it didn't see either of the Accel cards.

I then spent a lot of time looking for SV on the net. That ultimately turned up nothing. I figured I must have SV on an old drive around here, so I did some hooking up of old machines, and I found it. I'll soon try installing it to see what happens. If there's a way I can get it too you for the 9Lives archive that might be a good thing for the SV crowd.

I did try some more stuff with DP this morning, but it's coming up with the same issue, and if I launch DP on this machine with these cards it's a guaranteed hang on quit, and a forced reboot.

PT10 will still run on the PPC? That would be pretty amazing.

I also have a 1.25 MDD here. I used that last night to check on somethings. I doubt that there's a difference between it and the FW800 with regards to running DP, but it's probably worth a quick try while I have all this stuff out.

A couple of sudo related questions.

Have any of you used the IDE to SATA adaptors to create an SSD boot drive for these machines? Since the boot drive has a max of 190gb, and 128gb SATA SSD prices are dropping like rocks it seems like a natural thing to try.

I think I have a PS issue. If I turn off the machine for any amount of time the power button wont turn it on without unplugging the power cord. However, if I do a forced shutdown from the power button, and then start right away it comes on. This was a known condition of the FW800 machine I bought (and why I also got the MDD).
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 24, 2015, 04:09:50 PM
SV 4.51 when DAE is selected the dialog states that it can't find DAE in the DAE folder. The HD DAE must be different enough that they are incompatible. :(
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 04:20:56 PM
yeah honestly dont even waste any time trying to get SVP to work with the hd system..waste of time. people have problems all the time trying to ge SVP to work with mac os 9.x even.. it works best with mac os 8.x and 7.x (u should know.. u used to work for them;)

i honestly dont understand how u could have trouble finding the svp files as they are all linked on here numerous times.. the file is called svpcomplete.sit for 4.5.1 and there a 4.2.x installer - as far as i know they are both fixed + require no floppy authorization.

re: pt10.. i mean.. whatever the top limit is. its pt 8 or something im not sure
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Jakl on April 24, 2015, 09:01:53 PM
I think I have a PS issue. If I turn off the machine for any amount of time the power button wont turn it on without unplugging the power cord. However, if I do a forced shutdown from the power button, and then start right away it comes on. This was a known condition of the FW800 machine I bought (and why I also got the MDD).

Just do a PMU reset - the button is inside the mdd case door toward the bottom of the case door. Read the article here on how to;
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1939
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 24, 2015, 11:38:21 PM
i honestly dont understand how u could have trouble finding the svp files as they are all linked on here numerous times.. the file is called svpcomplete.sit for 4.5.1 and there a 4.2.x installer - as far as i know they are both fixed + require no floppy authorization.

All the sites I've gone to either 404 out, or deliver a bad DL. There is just so little SV love out there these days. I did try to log into the Yahoo group, but it forgot my user name--I sent them a post last night, and I have yet to hear from them.

But it's cool. I had it on a hard drive on another machine. ;)

I think I have a PS issue. If I turn off the machine for any amount of time the power button wont turn it on without unplugging the power cord. However, if I do a forced shutdown from the power button, and then start right away it comes on. This was a known condition of the FW800 machine I bought (and why I also got the MDD).

Just do a PMU reset - the button is inside the mdd case door toward the bottom of the case door. Read the article here on how to;
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1939

Oh cool I'll give that a shot. :) Thanks Jakl

While it's been a slow posting day for me I've made some decent progress.

I have the mix system installed in the FW800. SV 4.51 is running on it, and seeing plugins and what not. That one is going pretty well. :)

I had to remove PT 5.3.1 and install 5.1.3 instead in order to get it to work with the Mix system. As per the Digi docs

Quote
Pro Tools|24 MIX

Pro Tools 6.4.1 is the last release that supports MIX hardware.

Pro Tools 6.4.1 for Mac OS X 10.3
Pro Tools 6.4.1 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 6.1 for Mac OS X 10.2
Pro Tools 6.1 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 5.3.1 for Windows XP/2000
Pro Tools 5.1.3 for Mac OS 9
Pro Tools|24

Pro Tools 6.1 for Mac OS X
Pro Tools 6.1 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 5.3.1 for Windows XP/2000
Pro Tools 5.1.3 for Mac OS 9

If I try to run DP3.11 on it DAE gets confused and I have to reboot. I'm not sure why this is--I'll have to investigate this later.

I did learn something interesting though. While the HD rig was qualified for OS9, and thus DP3.11 it didn't include the Accel systems.

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/os9/hd/

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/

Quote
Non-Accel Pro Tools|HD Systems Only

Pro Tools 6.1 for Mac OS X 10.2
Pro Tools 6.1 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 5.3.3 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 5.3.1 for Mac OS 9

This probably explains why Digi test only saw the core card, but not the accel cards.

In the G5 I have the HD3 Accel system installed. DP 4.61 on Panther 10.3.9, with PT 6.4.1. This is sort of working. I think that maybe I have the cards in the wrong order, or the flex cables.

PT10 wont install on the G5. :P Had to give it a try since I had it around.

It's looking like around V7 of DP is going to be it for the G5 trying to run DAE.

http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technotes/digital-performer-dae-mode-compatibility

But it also looks like Tiger (10.4) is Digi's limit for the PPC and PT.

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Pro Tools|HD Accel & Pro Tools|HD Systems

Pro Tools HD 7.0/7.1 for Mac OS X 10.4 for PPC-based Macs

I currently have Leopard (10.5) on one of the boot drives, and that doesn't seem to be working, although Panther (10.3) does seem to be doing better. Another bummer about Leopard--it doesn't file share with OS9!

Anyway it looks like I'm going to have to get the Tiger installer out, and make an Audio System boot drive with it for the G5. I was hoping to at least get to Leopard (10.5) with it, but it doesn't look like PT supported any PPC action for the HD beyond Tiger (10.4)

Currently the Core card is in the slot closet to the video card, but digi test is calling this slot two, with the Accel cards in slot one, and zero. So I'm going to try moving them around to see if it that works.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 11:46:57 PM
on the g5 u might aswell have a 100gb + drive with 3 partitions, one for panther, tiger, leopard
while u are testing compatibility..

i think pt8 on leopard is as high asu can go on ppc with the hd system on the g5

also im pretty sure u can go higher then HD7, if u look at the date of that *entire page* that info is dated from 2006... so every page it links to doesnt contain any info newer then 2006.. which is why the highest it lists is HD7 because nothing else was out at the time of writing

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Compatibility/en353275
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Please Note: Pro Tools 8.0.3 software (and higher) does not support some retired products, including:

    Expansion|HD Chassis
    Macintosh PowerPC Computers

pretty sure there is a "Pro Tools HD 8 (2008)" and it the only version of HD that will run on Leopard OS... 8.0.3 is an update to HD8 for intel cpus only... so the final version for powerpc would be 8.0.1 or 8.0.2 (if they even exist) or 8.0 itself.

http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/New_in_HD_80_56120.pdf

but yea HD7 is the highest for Tiger.
http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/media/brochurePro_Tools_HD-7_36070.pdf

so did we figure out that the accell cards are not supported at all under mac os 9? for sure?
its only the HD core + HD process cards that are supported right? (why your accell cards didnt show up in digitest?)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 26, 2015, 04:37:09 AM
Just a quick update.

SV 4.51 was really unstable. I've switched to 4.22, and things look pretty good so far. This is running DAE 5.1.3, on OS9 9.2.2 (9Lives edition), on the FW800 DP1.46 with Rom 10.2.1.

On the 1.6 G5 with the PT HD3 system I was able to get DP4.6 to run with DAE 6.4.1, on OS X 10.3.9. This seems to be pretty stable as well. This is the last DAE that supported PT Mix, which is what I had installed on this computer.

Apparently Digi stopped supporting DAE for third parties with DAE 8.0.3, which was an Intel version. Motu's last support of DAE was DP 7.22. I'm going to hunt around for DAE 8.0.2, which Chris has suggested still supports the PPC, and see if I can find 7.22 of DP. If I can source these I'll set up a boot drive to test with Leopard (10.5--the last version of OS X to support the PPC) which is required for DAE 7.4.2 and presumedly for 8.0.2.

Actually on this page (http://"http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technotes/what-are-the-system-requirements-for-digital-performer-7") Motu suggest running DAE from PT 8.0 cs3 or later from DP 7.2-7.22.

Avid list a PT update for 8.0.1cs2 on their site. I'm DLing that, but it will probably require an existing copy of 8 to install. I think I have DP6 around here somewhere so I'll look in to that one too.

DP8 won't work on the PPC as it apparently requires OS X 10.6.8, or later.

MachFive is also of interest on this machine. MachFive2 will run on a PPC with 10.3.9, or later. I'll check into this soon. MachFive3 doesn't support the PPC, which is a shame because they made some nice UI upgrades with 3.

The original version of MachFive looks to have supported OS9 (http://"http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec04/articles/motumach5.htm"). I'll try and source that for testing on the FW800.

The PMU reset didn't fix the startup issue, so I think it's the power supply. I'll probably try swapping the one from the MDD when I get a chance to find out. They are both the 360 version.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 26, 2015, 05:02:19 AM
thats the worst part about mdds.. really wish they had of used standard ATX psu's on all the g4s. I just blew one up myself ;D that was working great untill i fried it ;D lol

http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/pthd801cs2mac_66305.pdf
this is the last update for ppc PT8.. 8.0.1cs2

Quote
Pro  Tools  HD  8.0.1cs2  for  Mac 
OS  X  Release  Notes
May  12,  2010
Introducing  Pro  Tools  8.0.1cs2  for  users  of  PowerPC  Macintosh,  original  Mbox,  and  Expansion|HD  chassis In  August  2009  we  announced that  Pro  Tools  8.0.1  would  be  the  last  full  Pro  Tools  release  to  support  PowerPC based  Macs,  the  original  Mbox,  and  Expansion|HD chassis.  We  have  continued  to  monitor  the  performance  of  8.0.1  and  now,  based  on user  feedback,  we  are  pleased  to  offer  you  one  final  Pro Tools  software  update Pro Tools  8.0.1cs2.... http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/compressed/pthd801cs2_66314.dmg
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: P.O. on April 26, 2015, 06:00:07 AM
Yes, those stinkin' Acbel PSUs are a real PITA. I have no less than six Powermacs G3/G4 here, and all but one has their original PSU dead. I really wish someone would isolate the component that goes bad in all of them (I'm sure it's always the same)...
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 26, 2015, 06:10:46 AM
you can have them repaired.. by electronic technicians but the thing is. noone will do the work without charging u less then 100$ and u can find another MDD for about half that where i live.. but the thing is u dont know how much it was actually "used up" ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 26, 2015, 07:32:40 AM
re: HD interfaces.. im trying to answer some questions

how many inputs per HD core card? is it 16?
from the image i saw originally it looked like a 192 is 8 analog in + 8 digital in
im so confused - i dont understand why digidesign cant explain things simple.

whats the max inputs u can have with a simple HD1 system?
whats the max inputs u can have with a 192 io?
whats the max inputs u can have with a 96 io?

if i wanted to build an HD (non acell) system with 32 analog inputs, can this be done? if so with what combination of hardware? thx

from the 1999 article on soundonsound re: protools 24mix: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr99/articles/protools.htm
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Each Pro Tools 24 MIX Core and MIX Farm card provides support for 16 channels of I/O using any combination of Digidesign audio interfaces (bought separately), including the 888 24 I/O, 882 20 I/O and ADAT Bridge I/O, or third-party interfaces from companies such as Apogee. The older 888 and 882 interfaces can also be used: though they lack the 24-bit A-D and 20-bit D-A converters of the newer interfaces, the 888 can carry 24-bit digital audio via the AES-EBU and S/PDIF connections. You can always digitise or monitor via a mixer such as the Yamaha 02R, or using any third-party converters, and - most importantly - still get 24-bit audio in and out of a Pro Tools system using the older 888 interfaces if you need to. Existing users who already have one or more 888 interfaces will be particularly interested to know this!

(http://ralaudio.com/images/digidesign/88824IO.jpg)

888 looks like it can support 18 channels, 8 analog, 8 digital via AES-EBU then 2 via SPDIF
guess i should check the manual
http://akarchive.digidesign.com/support/docs/888_24_IO_Guide.pdf
http://www.fullcompass.com/common/files/343-Digidesign88220IOProductBrochure.pdf

is this pretty much the same for all the TDM cards? 16 i/o per card?

Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: P.O. on April 26, 2015, 07:46:31 AM
Well, I AM an electronic technician... I fix stuff all the time. But these PSUs give me no clue as to what is wrong. I can get no schematic, and it's so cramped in there it's hard just to make a visual inspection...
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 26, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
I did learn something interesting though. While the HD rig was qualified for OS9, and thus DP3.11 it didn't include the Accel systems.

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/os9/hd/

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/

Quote
Non-Accel Pro Tools|HD Systems Only

This probably explains why Digi test only saw the core card, but not the accel cards.




I was wondering about That so it's good to know!
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 26, 2015, 05:09:44 PM
re: HD interfaces.. im trying to answer some questions

is this pretty much the same for all the TDM cards? 16 i/o per card?


You can use 2 of those 888's (that you have linked) per card via the 'Y' cable for 16 analog i/o per card. You have to choose between the Aes/ebu OR the S/PDIF . I haven't used the aes on my stuff but do use the s/pdif to monitor.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: LoFizle on April 26, 2015, 05:54:42 PM
The 9610 depending on the version there is two. one has a leagcy and one doesnt. so you could have 8 in from the 96io and another 8 from the lagacy port. I think, thats my plan, ill let ya know if it works.

The one 192 comes standard as 8, but can be expanded either to another 8 with digital or analog exp cards.

You can also use apogee interface. They have cards for the tdm and hd rigs. There are other ad/da converters that will do this to. I just cant remember the brands off the top of my head.


You could also utilize the adat inputs aswell.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 26, 2015, 08:00:41 PM
I saw some nuked Chassis for 192 without any card on eBay. I would like to know if that combo HD + 96 or 192 works without any of the 6 (?) 4 bays or slots used via the SPDIF onboard on blue chassis.

The ADAT in 192 and 96 IO is part of an ADD-ON card IIRC.

From time to time there are eBay offers of blue DIGI-Avid chassis. 
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: chokobo on April 26, 2015, 10:36:07 PM
I didn't work on any of the HD stuff. I mostly was responsible for non-tDM things while I was at digi, and Mix Plus hadn't even come out yet. But I do have some friends that were there. I have calls out to them to ask some questions.

However, from what I understand none of the 888/882 stuff will directly work with the HD cards. You can plug them into the legacy ports on a 96i/o, and 192 i/o. But you clearly have to have one of those available.

What I'm currently doing may be of interest. The 96 has light pipe in/out. On my nMP I have the Focusrite 18i8 which also has light pipe in. I am able to send 8 channels from the 96 into the 18i8. It works very nicely (well there's no word clock sync so you could expect jitter, but it's fine for a quick monitor action). Thus I believe you could use a 96 with the 8 built in channels, and use the light pipe for another 8 if you had something that would do 8 channels via light pipe--could even be an ADAT or the Tascam 8 tracks--you don't have to have a tape in them for them to be converters. ;)

With regards to the card slots in the 192, and the 96. I believe there is a way to get 24 channels in or out with a full set. It can be analogue, or digital. This is the reason they went to a slot system. They could build one interface, and allow the customer to configure it to their own needs.

Tracks and channels are different animals--even with the digi stuff. For instance maybe you only have enough hardware to pull off 16 tracks, but you'd want more channels because of outboard gear.

There is an empty 192 on teh eBay right now. I don't know if it can function empty, but if it's like the 96 (and I expect that it is) you might be able to get 8 channels through the light pipe, and another two via spdif, or aes. I'll ask my buddy about it when I hear back from him. :P
Title: Re: HEY HEY HEY!
Post by: chokobo on April 27, 2015, 06:15:26 AM
Well I'm stumped again. I've been working at getting DP6 installed on the G5 with the HD system. It is currently asking for the file:

MOTUAudioFeeder.dpm

This should show up in the directory:

Macintosh HD>Library>Application Support>Digidesign>Plugins>MOTUAudioFeeder.dpm

I've done the PT7 install, with the cs updates to 7.4.2cs4

And I've done the Motu updates to DP6.03

This is running on Leopard 10.5.8

The docs say to run the Motu installer post the PT installer, and I've done that multiple times. It seems that file should be getting installed by the DP installer, but apparently it is not.
Title: Re: HEY HEY HEY!
Post by: chokobo on April 27, 2015, 07:36:12 PM
I searched and searched and searched, and the only references I saw to that file were all related to DP5. I have DP5 installed on this machine, but from some time ago when I was running mix on it. But nothing else seemed to work so I tried a re-install of DP5. Sure enough that did it!

Now currently running DP6 6.03 in HD|Accel (7.4.2cs4) mode on the 1.6 G5 in OS X Leopard (10.5.8). :)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 27, 2015, 07:45:48 PM
how is it... i can imagine the 1.6 G5 would be slow.. especially running leopard..
but anyway . this forum is entirely dedicated to mac os 9.. so really we shouldnt even be going on discussing these things but its nice to hear about your success;)

getting back to the topic of mac os 9.
what about trying DP3.11 on the TDM MIX system?
i would guess this is fairly easy to get going?
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: IIO on April 27, 2015, 08:32:11 PM

this is becoming an OSX discussion.
Title: Re: HEY HEY HEY!
Post by: chokobo on April 28, 2015, 12:15:40 AM
Hey Cats,

Sorry if this little bit of additional info seems to be too much OS X for your corns. I don't have to post the OS X stuff, I mean it takes extra time do to so--I just figured that some people running one of these PPC machines would be interested in this closely related, and difficult to find information.

PT HD rigs are increasingly becoming affordable. I got mine for $420. That's like free compared to what they sold for new. Less than the tax most likely. It will run swimmingly on an MDD, or FW800 with DP. The 1.6 G5 does great with it because all the audio is handled over the TDM buss, and on the card's DSPs. All the Mac has to do is some real basic graphics for the user. Now host based plugins will take a toll of course, but heck with all those beautiful DSPs just kicking it one must be really compelled to use a host based plugin.

Now I'm new around here, and basically your guest. You've been super nice to me--which is greatly appreciated. But seriously--hating on earlier OS X action seems a bit harsh. OS X is without a doubt the best tool around for supporting OS9. Because of this, to keep OS9 rocking you've got to be up on your early OS X info. Even if all you want to do is OS9 you need to at least be aware of the OS X stuff that directly relates to your OS9 machine. But! If you don't want to know about it just don't read it. Happily skim past it--that's a life skill for surviving the internet. :P

With regards to DP on the Mix. Reading through the docs I got an idea. DP 3.11 is needed for the 5.3.1 version of PT, and DAE. The last version of PT/DAE that works on mix however is 5.1.3.  DP 3.11 doesn't play nice with 5.1.3. It turns out that DP 3.02 does though with the 5.1.3 version of DAE. I need to do more testing with it, but that looks like the combination for running DP on Mix within OS9, and of course this was on the FW800 running 9Lives.

Now my main goal with this kit is to build a super powerful StudioVision rig. That's why I got the FW800, the PT|HD, and started interacting with you cats. My interests in the older DP is mostly to provide information for you guys. I have a nMP on which I'm running DP8. It's awesome. So really all these posts about DP have been to provide you cats with info be it for OS9, or OS X (of which there has truly been very little in this thread). Just saying. ;)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 28, 2015, 02:03:10 AM
your contributions are appreciated
especially when it comes to the Pro tools / Digital Performer & PT DAE/Studio Vision combination related information!!
like i said id love to hear more about pro tools DAE combinations with dp + svp... on mac os 9!

noone else here on the site so far has talked about these combinations.. our other members are only interetsed in using pt hardware with logic 6 for example.. this is specialized + hard-to-find info (For some) any info or links u can drop.. are hugely appreciated by me.. dont be afraid to start a new specific thread appropriately titled if its something important so that the info can get properly indexed + searchable on google etc
(ie: "using digital performer with TDM hardware" or "using studio vision with TDM hardware")

Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on April 28, 2015, 02:18:01 PM
hey fizzle check it out
http://www2.digidesign.com/digizine/archive/digizine_august02/centerfold/
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: mrhappy on April 28, 2015, 08:28:02 PM
wow..so they even had centerfolds!
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: GaryN on April 28, 2015, 10:17:39 PM
I too, decided to keep hat was left of my hair and gave up .
I transfer stuff between my OS9 system and my Mavericks laptop by using a 1.67 MacBook running Leopard as a bridge. No cables, just Wi-Fi. It works.
Title: Re: HEY HEY HEY!
Post by: chokobo on May 01, 2015, 04:05:58 AM
Well after much hard earned effort I have the Virus Indigo working on the G5 in PT|HD Accel, with DP7 in Leopard (10.5.8 ). It was working in Panther (10.3.9), but the stupid iLok software was locking me out of my paid for app when I launched in 10.5. The other iLoked plugins that I have were working fine in both systems--this one was a bugger.

The fix was Digi made a special version just for PT7 (which is the DAE that I'm running for DP7.01. PT8 also has a special version of the Indigo plugin. If I end up upgrading DP to 7.24 (the last DAE issue), then I'll have to go to DAE 8.0.2 (the last PPC issue), and also update the Indigo.

One thing that I'm super happy to be reminded about (because I totally forgot) is that the Virus has a Vocoder!!! Oh yeah this is super cool. :P

Yes that is an ABBA song my little Chiquita. ;)
Title: Re: HEY HEY HEY!
Post by: chokobo on May 01, 2015, 04:09:29 AM
I too, decided to keep hat was left of my hair and gave up .
I transfer stuff between my OS9 system and my Mavericks laptop by using a 1.67 MacBook running Leopard as a bridge. No cables, just Wi-Fi. It works.

Yeah it seems that something like this is the only rational way to proceed. But how are you getting Leopard to talk to OS9? I have to reboot the G5 to Panther (I don't have Tiger on it) to effect the bridge because the G5 doesn't see the FW800/OS9 machine. Is there some trick to getting Leopard to see OS9? I would very much like to know. :P
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 02, 2015, 12:47:27 AM
http://www.wazmac.com/quickstarts/pdf/osx_server/leopard/06_sharepoints1.pdf

http://www.macworld.com/article/1132002/mobilemac2503.html

http://macs.about.com/od/diyguidesprojects/ss/fileserver_5.htm

try reading this
Title: Networking OS9 9.22 and OS X 10.5.8
Post by: chokobo on May 02, 2015, 04:16:32 AM
Since Gary got it working I figured there had to be a way. I did a bunch of reading. Found stuff like this:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1811217?tstart=0

It only kind of gives the story. To get OS X 10.5.8 to see OS9 9.22 I had to turn on sharing on the OS9 machine. Then on the OS X machine I had to make sure I had AppleTalk enabled (in the system prefs networking panel), and then from the Finder's Go menu select Connect to Server (command-K). Once there it didn't seem to work just to type in

afp://ComputerName/

Even though I've had that work before with other machines. This time I actually had to type in the ip addy

afp://192.168.xx.yy

Then it magically showed up.  :o

Sadly from the nMP running Yosemite the option to turn on AppleTalk has been removed, and even with the ip addy it doesn't work.

Another thing that didn't work for me at first, was connecting from OS9. From the Apple menu Control Panels, selecting Chooser, AppleTalk, typing in an ip addy, the computer looks like it's totally hung--not even the seconds of the clock change, but if you wait long enough it comes back. I'm going to have to play around with it some more. Maybe I have a bad ethernet cable or something.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 02, 2015, 11:07:30 AM
yes so what u want to do is set up the leopard machine to act as a fileserver that both the new mac + old mac can connect to

as mentioned by me many times i use a pc with nas4free operating system for this because it has many daemons.. supports windows SMB/CIFS which is what the new yosemite os will use.. and supports AFP via NETATALK which is compatible with all the old ppc machines

so i have a few shares which are pairs of drives in raid1 mirrors..
and i dump files there and then access them wherever i want to access them from + its been really great
Title: OS9 to OS X networking
Post by: chokobo on May 02, 2015, 02:05:59 PM
Yeah using an intermediary is cool (and what I'm doing now), but it would be even better if there was a way to do a more direct method, and I believe there just might be a way.

Reading your last posted reminded me that there was an app in OS9 land for networking to MSW land. It was called DAVE. It turns out that there is a version of it up on the Garden.  ::)

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/dave-2

I've installed it, and I'm making some progress with it. This just might be the solution. The OS9 machine is showing up in Yosemite land! I'm still not able to access it yet--some sort of user account thing I didn't get right. But this just might be the way to file sharing in the 2015's.  ;D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 02, 2015, 02:12:24 PM
ive had that working before but i stopped using it for some reason i forget why
i think it eventually asks for a serial or something
Title: OS9 to OS X networking
Post by: chokobo on May 02, 2015, 02:13:55 PM
I can haz makes U happi.

serial code: tfmi-arbm-dfie-mmbo-e7rh

 ::)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on May 03, 2015, 05:49:40 PM
Chokobo, why there is no one with 001 in G5? Is there any reason or difference?

TDM working is rare, but G5 and 001 are unicorns.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 03, 2015, 06:06:48 PM
Chokobo, why there is no one with 001 in G5? Is there any reason or difference?

TDM working is rare, but G5 and 001 are unicorns.

keep smokin that crack there buddy;)
because the digi 001 host card is 5v
and incompatible with slots on a g5 mac. DUH
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on May 03, 2015, 06:36:27 PM

keep smokin that crack there buddy;)
You want some?  >:(

I know based on my last 15 years browsing on DUC that there were no one posting it AFAIK.

As I knew FW-800 couldn't boot OS9.

I have no G5, I've killed 2 G5 boxes with broken PSU to make room for mATX boards for hackintosh... I have no interest in using 001 with G5s... It is the similarities and differences between 001, AM-III and Mix core what makes me wonder things .

AFAIK Mix and AM-III wears same main DSP, the same AMCC chip. 001 has FLEX Altera instead.

Motorola 56000 family on TDM DSP.

Chokobo could know if PT 5 TDM software can be fooled to work with LE setups with LE channel count.
 
Title: Pro Stools
Post by: chokobo on May 03, 2015, 09:47:08 PM
There are a small number of G5 machines that have REAL PCI slots. The 1.6 G5 is one of those. They apparently made a few more of these later in the game. I had a Mix system in an aging Gigabit G4 when a buddy of mine told me that the cats at Disney were running their Mix systems in the 1.6 G5, because they had the non-X slots.

Based on this I picked up a used 1.6 G5, and switched over. Then I found it was really difficult to get plugins, and eventually caved and got a mini 4-core i7 (loved that machine!). I'm saying all this in an effort to show that you could actually get a G5 with PCI slots in which to run your Mix system--although it didn't do you much good! =8<>

LE, I really don't know much about the 001, 002, 003 boxes. They all came out after I left Digi, and during the time I was in school studying to become a biologist--read: didn't do music for 10 years! I'd still be doing that except I was crashed by a young woman driving a Honda Civic. Now I'm in recovery mode, and able to do music again (because I have some time). So yeah sorry I have no answer for you with regards to the 001 etc.

It could be because the G5's that had real PCI slots were rather weak in computing power compared to the machines that had X, and e slots. With a TDM rig it doesn't matter so much because all the heavy lifting is being done by the DSP cards. I know when I run any native plugins on the G5 it isn't that happy about it.

Some things run pretty good though. Albino3 seems to do pretty well. Better than Albino2 actually. I was real happy to see that Albino3 had PPC support--it works great on Intel too, although I think it is a discontinued soft synth.

Anyway, if you can't run much in the way of plugins you are likely to find another solution. That's probably the deal with the G5/001 story.

=================

With regards to networking. I'm seeing the OS9 machine from the Yosemite machine, but I can't log on. :/

=================

I currently have 7.01 of DP running on the PT|HD Accel system. I've been reading some really cool things about DP 7.2, and I'm likely to get that going (even though it means going to DAE 8). It's probably going to be the top out point of a G5 system. I think DP8 will still run on the PPC, but it won't do TDM.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec10/articles/dp-workshop-1210.htm

Damn if that doesn't look sexy!

(http://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/styles/news_large/s3/imagelibrary/D/DPworkshop_01b.jpg?wfHi_0K_knuc_ONQ_ThPQYTqKp1CsliQ=&itok=xg9B6fdd)

I also learned today that newer versions of DP will let you Save As... to older formats, thus creating a way to move fives between the different systems. I was quite glad to see this feature.  ;D

Another issue I'm running into with the HD Accel rig. It looks like PACE used their game with Digi when they did DAE 7. Lots of the plugs have to have new versions or they won't recognize the iLok. Sourcing these updates is a pain in the A$$!
Title: Re: Pro Stools
Post by: supernova777 on May 04, 2015, 07:28:47 AM
a buddy of mine told me that the cats at Disney were running their Mix systems in the 1.6 G5, because they had the non-X slots.

Quote
Details:    This model has three open full-length 33 MHz, 64-bit PCI slots -- http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.6.html

hearing this fact is totally screwing me up because when i had originally bought my g5
i got this model, the dual 1.8ghz which is also non-pci-x PCI (as u have described the 1.6) http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp_2.html

all of the g5 systems which have these non-PCI-X "PCI" slots also have only 4 ram slots
and the reverse is also true, all PCI-X systems have 8 ram slots


but yet the delta 1010LT card that i have, that is fully "G5 compatible" is not compatible with these "non-pci-x" models, not because of the "mhz" speed of the slots, and also not because of the voltage (3.3v vs 5v) - but rather because of the pci controller chip on the motherboard itself...

the result? the card "worked" but produced some audible static noise every 5-10 seconds.. rendering it unusable.

is it the voltage? are these slots on these non-pci-x "PCI" g5 systems really 5v conventional PCIslots? exactly the same as the g4 slots?
if so, there would be many many many more "g4 only" cards that would work in these systems......

i believe that this is not the case.. i beleive these slots are 3.3v powered
and that the mixpluss cards are indeed universal cards.. which means the neccessity of using them with these "PCI" g5's is not required..

either way.. im confused.. and i give up ;D lol
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 04, 2015, 07:36:12 AM
re: networking/filesharing.
u need to use a server daemon powered by netatalk
http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/
that will solve all your problems

www.nas4free.com is what i use.. and its a dream come true.
u can set it up on any pc.. throw in a few hard drives.. setup your raid arrays.. and u configure it all via http:// like u would a router..
and then it just works fantastically.. from windows.. or mac (new or old)
because it supports many different technologies to access the same files.
(ftp/smb/afp/http etc etc)

how many times do i have to reccommend this before u guys listen + see the light?? whoever tries it first will be doing backflips + freaking out that its a dream come true.. watch ;)

solves all problems to do with backup / redundancy / accessibility / compatibility  all in one

my file server has air cooled drives.. 6 of them.. setup in 3 shares..
modern atx hardware cases are great for this as they have suport for lots of fans

like ive explained.. because of the native support for AFP.. i can drag mac files to + from the server without worrying about macbinary or stuffit. all resource forks + data forks are maintained via AFP.
its *Seamless integration* for legacy macs.
TRY IT. U WILL LOVE IT.
THANK ME LATER.

best thing is u can run it on a pentium III or pentium 4 aswell
and as long as u have a few gb of ram, and a gigabyte network connection it will run great. ive noticed the more ram u have the faster your network transfers to + from the box.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: devils_advisor on May 04, 2015, 07:40:16 AM
can you attach your config file's for netatalk ?
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 04, 2015, 07:48:07 AM
I know based on my last 15 years browsing on DUC that there were no one posting it AFAIK.

yes because the hardware is incompatible. so, there is no g5/001 story.. and never will be. its a 5v card, and it does not work in any g5. just like many many many other pci cards will never be able to work in a g5. end of story. please dont talk about this + confuse the hell out of some people for no reason!!!!

As I knew FW-800 couldn't boot OS9.

u are just addicted to trying to propose crazy ideas and have them be shattered
because of your "downgrade fw800 thread" lol u will always + forever be on here trying to come up with the next 15,000 view thread ;) lol
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: Knezzen on May 04, 2015, 12:14:44 PM
I have a Xserve with an Xserve RAID connected to it running Mac OS X Leopard.
This is what I can recommend, but it's not as "cheap" as Chris's solution, but I like it more (having tried both). The Xserve RAID has 14 1TB drives set to RAID5 with two hot spares.
The two drives in the Xserve are mirrored (RAID1).

The setup is currently our file server, web server, Time Machine server for the OS X
Mac's and backup machine for the Mac OS 9 machines running Retrospect to make everything work automatically.

Works like a dream :)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 04, 2015, 03:19:45 PM
tiger or leopard should be fine for being compatible with mac os 9.. but netatalk has some benefits i think.. when it comes to compatibility with yosemite/mtn lion and more recent mac os x versions. all i know is nas4free is the bomb ;D easy to config.. and also modern pc hardware with sata3 spec  + DDR3 1600+ ram = smokin fast file server ;D (compared to an xserve) ;D

14 drive slots is insane tho.. :o

knez: are u sure u tried nas4free? i think u tried freenas? they are similar but nto exactly the same.
close to it.. but i had issues with freenas.

Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 04, 2015, 07:10:23 PM
can you attach your config file's for netatalk ?

i havent used it with mac os x... only with nas4free.. and its built in already.. no config neccessary.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 04, 2015, 07:12:49 PM
re: the pci slots thing..

check this page out on the tc electronics site

http://support.tcelectronic.com/entries/20937498-Compatibility-between-Apple-desktops-and-PowerCore-hardware

they advise against using these 4 ram slots "PCI" systems if u are to be using more then one dsp card..

Quote
If you wish to use more than 1 DSP card, we can not recommend using the PowerCore Element / PowerCore PCI with the following models:

    Single 1.8 GHz G5 with PCI-slots (September 2004 low-end model)
    Dual 1.8 GHz G5 with PCI-slots (June 2004 low-end model)
    Dual 2.0 GHz G5 with PCI-slots (April 2005 low-end model)

interestingly enuff they dont mention the single 1.6 ghz g5.
but i think they are eluding to a limited pci bandwidth on these machines?? which cant be good for an HD Pro tools rig either!!!!!!
so im surprised that there isnt a similar advisement against using multiple digi dsp cards put forward by digidesign.

digi's page on this: http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/osx/g5/

Quote
The G5's PCI slots accommodate 3.3 volt-powered PCI cards only, compared to the G4's PCI slots which supported mixed voltage cards (5.0 V, 12 V, or 3.3 V). While some of Digidesign's PCI cards are compatible with both 5.0 V or 3.3 V PCI slots, others require 5.0 V-capable PCI slots and will not fit in the PCI slots of a Power Mac G5.

All Pro Tools|HD core cards, HD Process cards, and HD Accel cards are fully compatible with the Power Mac G5.

Although MIX Core and MIX Farm cards **are 5.0 or 3.3 volt-powered PCI cards**, other changes in the Power Mac G5's PCI architecture have reduced performance of these cards to the point where Digidesign cannot support them in a Power Mac G5.
so it seems clear that the mix core + farm cards do not reach their full potential when used in a g5!!! be it pci or pci-x models!!! but they dont say this for the hd core + process cards... they are deemed "fully compatible" including the hd accell..

then they list the incompatible cards with g5s:
Quote
Digidesign PCI Cards Incompatible with Power Mac G5 due to 5.0 volt limitation:
    Digi 001
    Pro Tools|24 system cards, in Pro Tools|24 or Pro Tools|24 MIX systems:
        d24 (core card on Pro Tools|24 systems)
        DSP Farm
    Pro Tools|24 MIX system card:
    MIX I/O
    Audiomedia III (Toolbox)
    Pro Tools Project PCI
    Project II
    Disk I/O (Pro Tools III Core card)
    SampleCell II
    SCSI64 Kit (included ATTO Express PCI-DC card is not compatible)

another pt is that tc electronics page also says:
Quote
PCI-X expansion slots:

PCI-X is 100% backwards compatible with existing PCI cards as long as the PCI card meets PCI 2.1 or later. PowerCore PCI meets this requirement.
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: supernova777 on May 04, 2015, 07:48:56 PM
The 4.51 SV file doesn't want to come down in a version that unstuffs successfully.

its probably because the file was created on an OSX system.. and u are trying to decompress it on 9.. theres no way to know for sure with so many different compression/disk image file formats all sharing the same file extensions...

try this, let me know if it works. u should be able to decode from macbinary with stuffit expander + mount with disk copy (both in os9 aswell as osx)
Title: Slot Cars
Post by: chokobo on May 04, 2015, 10:05:01 PM
Back in the day...

When I bought the G5 all I knew was that the 1.6 had the same slots as a G4. I didn't research it further than my friends info--he was pretty much alway spot on with stuff like this, so I grew to trust his word. :P

Recently though having been reading about this stuff there's all kinds of wild stories out there! I've read the same things you've said about the 4 ram slot models and such. I couldn't really tell you either way. I do know that the Digi Mix system worked in the 1.6, and the Digi HD Accel PCI-X works in it too.

I have read that folks with these machines have had troubles with USB devices. This sort of makes sense because USB demands the attention of the CPU, but that's a whole lot of attention! I haven't seen this with my system, but then I may not be pushing it to the same level that they did. I have yet to develop the 192 track style. I grew up with two cassette decks bounced back and forth--I know about commitment.  :o

The SV 4.51 stuff would show up as a single 32K file. So maybe a header would make it, and then fail. I'm convinced it had nothing to do with the DL machine (I tried it on a bunch of them). Thankfully my Gigabit machine had SV on a drive, and as it turns out 4.22 works much better with the Mix system than 4.51.

Probably because I had great access to the Digi stuff (I never paid very much for it) I didn't bother with the TC stuff--because I would have to pay significantly more--and by that on an order of ten to twenty times. Back in the day Digi wanted the employees to own the gear. You actually got to buy it for parts cost. I think the NuBuss AudioMedia card I got before I worked at Digi cost more than any PT system I ever bought.  ;D

I don't remember the numbers, but it was seriously low. You could buy one system per year, and everyone bought as much as they could, sold it the next year to buy a bigger system. Do this for a few years and before you know it you have a really awesome system.  -afro-

That system worked really well when Digi was a bunch of musicians. Once the muggles moved in the company culture went to shit. I didn't last long in that environment. My friends that did got really burnt out. You talk to the people that were there in the early days and compare with those in the later days and you wouldn't even recognize them as being from the same company. But that's probably true everywhere. :P

Anyway it is interesting that they don't point out the 1.6 in that list. Maybe it is a different animal.  As to low bandwidth, on the Digi rig that wouldn't really matter because of TDM. The data is passed along the tops of the cards on their own buss rather than using the computer's buss.

I don't know if it was the fault of the G5 that they didn't support them. The test grid for compatibility was huge, so wherever they could cross a machine off the list and not test it they did so. There were a lot of machines, and bits that ran fine, but were never qualified (officially).

As to the networking. Right now the G5 can see everything. I don't want to have yet another noise making heat generator fired up! But if I do what you suggest sounds like a plan. Looks like I'm going to have to learn more about networking. =8<>  Do we ever get to do music anymore????  :-\

Oh and...

May the Forth be with you, always.

(http://pop-verse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/obi-wan-kenobi.jpg)
Title: Digital Performer 7.24 on the Digi HD|3 Accel
Post by: chokobo on May 05, 2015, 04:44:32 AM
DP 7.24 showed up so I had to install it. While the Motu website states that you need an 8 version of DAE I decided to try it with 7.4.2cs4 of DAE (since that's what is already on the G5).

Well it seems to be working quite well. I've only done some basic tests, but it may be good enough to go with it. Digi has a version of 8.01cs2 for DL on their website. I have that, but unless I run into something that's an issue I may stay with 7.4.2cs4. One of the problems I keep running into is the plugins that work on older DAEs seem to expire on the newer versions. Also, I believe (but don't know for sure) that DAE 8.0.3 is Intel only. If it is not then it is the last PPC version released into the Wild. And of course OS X 10.5.8 is the version of the OS on which you can run this stuff.

This is a really troubling issue, as my available TDM plugins is being reduced to a level where I'm just better off running DP natively on an Intel box. I'm going to keep hunting around for PPC TDM/HD plugins though. I'm hoping that there's enough out there to make it worth it. Otherwise this machine will end up becoming a tracking machine, and then things will get moved over to the Intel Mac for mixing.

It's a non-audio thing, but the themes in DP7 and DP8 really help. :D
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: MacTron on May 05, 2015, 07:39:06 AM
Warning: this is Mac Os 9 forum and this thread is going too offtopic.
Title: Re: HEY HEY HEY! Revenge of the Sixth
Post by: chokobo on May 06, 2015, 05:58:54 AM
(http://new1.fjcdn.com/comments/Technically+you+are+using+the+force+_8fdb320f2d29a844bbcd1ea0345d3177.jpg)

Tron--I find your lack of faith disturbing.

This is what happens on a vibrant forum when people ask questions that lead to things like this. I suggest that when you see things going a little off topic, but are still relevant to the people participating in the thread, that you just skim over it.

Clearly people are interested in what's been posted to this thread. It is by some metrics the second most popular thread on the forum. Is it really a big deal if there is a bit of OS X action going on? No it's not a big deal at all. It's all related to the central topic.

Getting your panties all bunched up doesn't do anyone a bit of good--in fact this kind of chest puffing frequently leads to emigration. Besides Tron, you'd probably benefit from the slightly off topic information in this thread. OS9 isn't an island, and OS X is the best way to support a 9 machine.  :-*

This is true even if you are an admin.  ;D

Chris, sorry I've not had time to check that file for you. I'll get to it when I have time. I've been actively playing around with iDrum. ;)

Chokobo could know if PT 5 TDM software can be fooled to work with LE setups with LE channel count.

LE, sorry I missed this previously. If you can get past the hardware check it might. But why would you want to run the TDM version? It wouldn't let you use TDM plugins because you wouldn't be able to instantiate them on the cards. Also, TDM systems are selling for dirt these days, so if you want to run a TDM plug in (like Indigo) just pick up a system. :)

The one app I would really like to see benefit from the removal of the hardware check would be Sound Designer. Oh to be able to use that app again.  ::)
Title: Re: HAY HAY HAY!
Post by: MacTron on May 06, 2015, 07:34:45 AM
Enough is enough.