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[mrhappy]

probably requires a tdm system, but le guy has only LE .. i also only have LE + M-powered currently. knezzen is the tdm wizzard

I'm SURE that I've run Serato's 'PitchN'Time' (or whatever its called) on my PT 001 rig, so there must be RTAS (or maybe Audiosuite)... and I agree with LoFizie that it works pretty well. If we don't have here I can upload the version that I have.

[Knezzen]

So is it possible to use 'Mix' cards AND 'HD' cards in the same system running 5.3 on OS 9?? Was there ever any kind of 'ribbon connector' to 'flex connector' adaptor??? I'm certainly NOT holding my breath on THAT one but who knows!!

Nope, you can't. It's either MIX or HD.

HD supports 32bit floating point audio, wheres MIX supports "regular" 24bit audio at the most depending on the interface.

that must be a rumor.

when i recall right, mix was 8.24 (24 bits with 8 overflow bits) and HD is dual 8.24

up to HD accel version 8 all protools then remained using dual 8.24.

not before 9.0 (HDX and HD Native) they switched to 32 floating point, because at that time they also switched to 64 float for the summing engine.

Yes, you are correct. The 56k line of DSP's where only used with 24bit fixed point at the most.

I stand corrected

[chokobo]

If those HD-pci cards are a 'drop and swap' with PT5.3, then a chassis full would be some MAJOR OS 9/PT horsepower!!!

I am super close to testing this. I have an HD3 rig with a 96I/O already installed into the FW800 (running 9Lives 9.2.2). I currently only have PT 5.1.3, so I can't do the test yet. As soon as I get 5.3 I'll be able to test it.

The packaging for 5.3 states that it work with OS9, so I expect it will work. My main interest is getting DAE working on this for use with StudioVision, but while I'm at it I'll get PT running as well.

[supernova777]

big thank you to mr happy for being the first one to contribute 20$ for pt 5.3.1
which leave only 40 dollars left to cover the cost of this app 100%

[chokobo]

Some great news. I have PT 5.3.1 running on the 9Lives 9.2.2 with a FW800, PT HD3 with a 96 i/o. As a quick test I added 8 tracks, set them all to record, and it worked great.

I'll be doing some more serious tests.

[supernova777]

a bit of history on member Chokobo.. he informed me that he used to work for both Digidesign +Opcode in the past.
 

[supernova777]

MIX cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 4.3 under Classic Mac OS to Pro Tools TDM 6.4.2 running on OS X Panther.
The HD cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 5.3 in Mac OS 9 to Pro Tools 10 on OS X.

So is it possible to use 'Mix' cards AND 'HD' cards in the same system running 5.3 on OS 9?? Was there ever any kind of 'ribbon connector' to 'flex connector' adaptor??? I'm certainly NOT holding my breath on THAT one but who knows!!

This whole 5.3 thing is interesting and I've never heard much about it. It seems that most people went from PT5 right to an OS X version, skipping over this 5.3 'mix and match' release!

I was kinda surprised to read that my Digi 7 slot chassis will run HD cards!!

im guessing that the cards cannot be used together... in the same system. MIX vs HD
i think the only compatibility is via the legacy port provided on the back of the 96 + 192 io 's..
meaning u can use the hardware units (888/882/1622) with the hd system but not the MIX cards.... anyone else care to comment on this? lets get this clarified before someone goes out and makes a costly mistake purchase!

[chokobo]

a bit of history on member Chokobo.. he informed me that he used to work for both Digidesign +Opcode in the past.
 

This is true--although many many years ago.

MIX cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 4.3 under Classic Mac OS to Pro Tools TDM 6.4.2 running on OS X Panther.
The HD cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 5.3 in Mac OS 9 to Pro Tools 10 on OS X.

So is it possible to use 'Mix' cards AND 'HD' cards in the same system running 5.3 on OS 9?? Was there ever any kind of 'ribbon connector' to 'flex connector' adaptor??? I'm certainly NOT holding my breath on THAT one but who knows!!

This whole 5.3 thing is interesting and I've never heard much about it. It seems that most people went from PT5 right to an OS X version, skipping over this 5.3 'mix and match' release!

I was kinda surprised to read that my Digi 7 slot chassis will run HD cards!!

im guessing that the cards cannot be used together... in the same system. MIX vs HD
i think the only compatibility is via the legacy port provided on the back of the 96 + 192 io 's..
meaning u can use the hardware units (888/882/1622) with the hd system but not the MIX cards.... anyone else care to comment on this? lets get this clarified before someone goes out and makes a costly mistake purchase!

I'm pretty sure that's the case. There is also a point where the software stopped supporting the legacy port, but I've never experimented with it. I only picked up the HD rig last night.

I gave up on my PT Mix rig when I couldn't find the things I wanted on it. Shut down the machine, and bought an i7 4 core mini. That was an awesome machine. Did way more than any PT machine I ever had. I'm only now putting this system together to gain access to a StudioVision machine, which can only be on OS9. SV totally rocked, and I miss it. I'm blown away by the support you cats have put together for OS9. It's really awesome.

[supernova777]

splash image from the pt 5.3.1 TDM/HD installer

did Studio Vision support audio recording from TDM systems???
i could see how it may be possible for it to have supported TDM MIX but definately not TDM HD as this wasnt out till years after opcodes demise.

as posted earlier in the thread the question was put forth if DP3.11 was ablet o record from PT HD systems.. I found the article mentioning PT HD "ACCEL" support on DP 4.1.... but its unclear if DP3.11 was able to work with the HD1/HD2/HD3 systems... i think HD "Accell" is referencing the PCIE HD systems? and not the pci-x HD cards??

if only Lofizle could test this.. or perhaps Chokobo could try to install dP3.11 from our downloads and see whether or not the HD rig is supported in this app?

[Protools5LEGuy]

The font used is more similar to the PT6 stuff than the 5.0 to 5.2 stuff. Look my avatar.

[chokobo]

splash image from the pt 5.3.1 TDM/HD installer

did Studio Vision support audio recording from TDM systems???
i could see how it may be possible for it to have supported TDM MIX but definately not TDM HD as this wasnt out till years after opcodes demise.

as posted earlier in the thread the question was put forth if DP3.11 was ablet o record from PT HD systems.. I found the article mentioning PT HD "ACCEL" support on DP 4.1.... but its unclear if DP3.11 was able to work with the HD1/HD2/HD3 systems... i think HD "Accell" is referencing the PCIE HD systems? and not the pci-x HD cards??

if only Lofizle could test this.. or perhaps Chokobo could try to install dP3.11 from our downloads and see whether or not the HD rig is supported in this app?

StudioVision was the first third party app to use the DAE engine. It was a big deal, and Opcode signed an exclusive with Digi so that they had like a year's head start. That went away quickly because of all the issues with developing software first--pioneers vs. settlers.

Seal's first album was done with SV. I actually got to speak with Trevor Horn while they were working on it. That was super cool.

It is quite possible that SV wont work on the HD system. I just installed 4.2 from the CD, but it's asking for the floppy install key--there's no floppy drive on the FW800. Damn I hate PACE. I thought I had the 4.51 version on a drive, but I'm not finding it. Time to fire up the Gigibyte machine.

I just tried Sound Designer. It doesn't work. I'm really sad about this as it's probably my favorite Digi app. It was written with MacApp, and Evan was pretty much the only cat that knew the code. Mark Jefferies (sp?) could probably wrench on it. Anyway, we tried hard to get them to release a version that didn't check for hardware. We did have a version that ran on the lappies. That was super cool--but digi didn't want to release it.

I'm running the PCI-X cards. The PCIe cards wouldn't work on the FW800. I also have a 1.6 G5 that I bought specifically because it still had the older slots. I have a Mix system (I think it's a plus) in that machine--it works quite well. But finding TDM plugins that run on Mix in OS X 10.3.9 is beyond difficult. I eventually caved, and bought the Mac Mini. The only thing I missed was the Indigo synth. I'm hoping to get it running on the FW800 in OS9.

My understanding, and I could be totally wrong is that an HD system has a Core, an HD2 has a Core, and an Accel, and the HD3 has a Core, and two Accel cards. That's what I have--I may have gotten the nomenclature wrong.

Are you guys able to see shared drives on OS9 from the newer OS X? The nMP running Yosemite can't see the OS9 drives. I have to share to the G5, and then from it to the G4 just to move the files around. The G5 sees both machines, but the G4, and the nMP are oblivious to each other.

[mrhappy]

Yeah... definite 'font morphage'!

[mrhappy]

so what's the difference between the Hd 'Process' and 'Accel' cards??

[mrhappy]

BTW... Nice to have you aboard Chokobo... love the 'insider' info!! Haha

[supernova777]

It is quite possible that SV wont work on the HD system. I just installed 4.2 from the CD, but it's asking for the floppy install key--there's no floppy drive on the FW800. Damn I hate PACE. I thought I had the 4.51 version on a drive, but I'm not finding it. Time to fire up the Gigibyte machine

there are fixed installers. links are in the sticky thread in the opcode section of the site here. they require no floppy to install.

I'm running the PCI-X cards. The PCIe cards wouldn't work on the FW800. I also have a 1.6 G5 that I bought specifically because it still had the older slots. I have a Mix system (I think it's a plus) in that machine--it works quite well. But finding TDM plugins that run on Mix in OS X 10.3.9 is beyond difficult. I eventually caved, and bought the Mac Mini. The only thing I missed was the Indigo synth. I'm hoping to get it running on the FW800 in OS9.

wow.. wait.. TDM mix works in a g5?? i had no idea that was compatible... i have a 1.8ghz pci-x g5..

My understanding, and I could be totally wrong is that an HD system has a Core, an HD2 has a Core, and an Accel, and the HD3 has a Core, and two Accel cards. That's what I have--I may have gotten the nomenclature wrong.

yes thats exactly as i understand it aswell.

Are you guys able to see shared drives on OS9 from the newer OS X? The nMP running Yosemite can't see the OS9 drives. I have to share to the G5, and then from it to the G4 just to move the files around. The G5 sees both machines, but the G4, and the nMP are oblivious to each other.

from os9 to snow leopard is as far as it goes i think.. then they changed the AFP authentication or something. i use a core2duo pc running NAS4FREE which has an AFP daemon installed.. and AFP protects the apple file structure (resource fork) and allows me to mount the server share on os9 + even on mountain lion i think.

[mrhappy]

I'm running the PCI-X cards. The PCIe cards wouldn't work on the FW800. I also have a 1.6 G5 that I bought specifically because it still had the older slots. I have a Mix system (I think it's a plus) in that machine--it works quite well. But finding TDM plugins that run on Mix in OS X 10.3.9 is beyond difficult.

Yeah interesting... the G5 1.6 slots are pre-'x'...just plain ol' PCI.

I can imagine that you were in 'orphan land' as far as plugs for a G5 with Mix cards on OS X!!!

[mrhappy]

Some great news. I have PT 5.3.1 running on the 9Lives 9.2.2 with a FW800, PT HD3 with a 96 i/o.

This post just underscores some the great stuff that's been going' on here lately!!

[mrhappy]

I'm running the PCI-X cards. The PCIe cards wouldn't work on the FW800. I also have a 1.6 G5 that I bought specifically because it still had the older slots. I have a Mix system (I think it's a plus) in that machine--it works quite well. But finding TDM plugins that run on Mix in OS X 10.3.9 is beyond difficult. I eventually caved, and bought the Mac Mini. The only thing I missed was the Indigo synth. I'm hoping to get it running on the FW800 in OS9.

wow.. wait.. TDM mix works in a g5?? i had no idea that was compatible... i have a 1.8ghz pci-x g5..

Cats and Dogs living together...what's this world coming too!!

[chokobo]

Yeah I'm glad to be here too. You cats are like my lost brothers or something.

The 1.6 G5 came with the PCI slots. It was basically a G4 logic board with a slow G5 processor on it. They of course weren't very popular. At the time I got my G5 1.6 my friend was doing sound design in LA--he use to work at Digi, and he told me that the cats at Disney were running the PT Mix rigs on these 1.6 machines. So when one showed up on Craig's for hella cheap I pounced. This was never a supported configuration, but at least they didn't code it to not work.
 
Everything was swimming until I tried to get even basic plugins, and well I gave up and got the Mini--after about five years. Plus I really hated paying PACE $25 for each plugin I was abel to find on teh eBay. I have PT 6.4.1. running on that machine, with DP 4.61. No SV love on that computer.

Back to the current project: SV 4.2.2 wants the ASIO drivers. I remember there was an init that enabled that tech, but I can't seem to find it in the digi folders. The 4.51 SV file doesn't want to come down in a version that unstuffs successfully.

I can't find the DP 3.1 on the forum, but I think I have the installer CD around here somewhere.

Thanks for the network info. Looks like I need to keep the G5 running as my portage machine.

[supernova777]

pci-x stands for pci extended..
they are both compatible with each other 100% u
ie: u can put a pci-x card into a pci slot and a pci card into a pci-x slot
there is just downgrading happening if u put a pci-x into a pci slot
it wont operate *AS FAST* but it will still operate..

i just didnt know that they worked in a g5... i knew + Expected them to work
in pt 6.x in a g4 running OSX but . had never considered that they could
be installed in a g5.. i guess then the PT HD systems most likely were
used in G5's moreso then G4's given that the g5 made it appearance about 1 year after the hd core cards hit the market

chokobos g5 1.6:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.6.html

my g5 1.8:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8.html

the pci architecture between these two machines definately has differences.. i can tell u that my delta 1010LT card from m-audio is compatible only in pci-x (8 ram slots) machines.. and will not work correctly in the any g5 with only 4 ram slots. there is a different pci controller chip in these machines that introduced some incompatibility that produced intermittant static every 10 seconds or so when attempting to use the 3.3v compatible delta cards. this would also apply to the audiophile 2496 + other delta cards i think aswell.

i attached an image of the 1.6 g5 motherboard