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[supernova777]

dont u need a direct io driver from digidesign to be installed to use direct i/o?

http://archive.digidesign.com/download/dio/
http://archive.digidesign.com/download/daedsi/

the daedsi page lists something for 5.3/HD

DAE 5.3 R2 Update for Pro Tools|HD on Macintosh

    Addresses Errors with Plug-In Inserts Menu Operation

What's Fixed in DAE 5.3 R2?

    Some Plug-Ins Are Incorrectly Listed Twice or Missing from the Plug-In Inserts Menu

With Pro Tools TDM 5.3, one or more plug-ins may appear to be missing from the Plug-In Inserts menu, while other plugins may be listed twice. Additionally, selecting one of the duplicate plug-in names from the menu may actually instantiate one of the "missing" plug-ins. DAE 5.3 R2 corrects this problem.

Who Should Use This Update?

This update should be used only by Pro Tools|HD system owners using Pro Tools TDM 5.3 and the first revision of DAE 5.3, which shipped with Pro Tools|HD systems in the first quarter of 2002. Beginning in April 2002, the Pro Tools 5.3 Installer CD ROM automatically installs DAE 5.3 R2. Pro Tools|HD customers who received DAE 5.3 R2 do not to need to use this update.

http://archive.digidesign.com/support/readme/DAE_5.3_R2_Read_Me.pdf
u might try reinstalling pt hd 5.3.1 now that dp3.11 is installed? i dunno.. im grasping at straws....

found this thread:
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/428367/Re_does_run_DIGITAL_PERFORMER_

[supernova777]

ok wait - lets back up abit here

what are your settings in DP3.11?
under the "Basics" pulldown > audio system > "Motu Audio System" is checked
under "configure audio system" > "configure hardware driver" it might be set to ASIO by default
u need to change this.. other options are : Sound manager, digidesign audiomedia III, Digidesign Direct I/O, Korg 1212, Motu PCI-324, Motu Firewire Audio, ASIO..

u want to try DIRECT IO!!!

as the above tip said.. before u quit make sure to change "audio system" to "midi only" before you try to quit to avoid the crash!!!

[supernova777]

Apparently Digital Performer renames the folder after installing itself and its components into the DAE folder, including a later version of DAE and DSI.

this is why i said to reinstall pro tools HD 5.3.1, maybe the DAE/DSI its installed is actually an older version... and reinstalling PT might correct the problem.

ok i just checked and the PT 5.3.1 installation is from june 2002 (http://archive.digidesign.com/download/531/)
the 3.11 dp update is from oct 2002 (2002/10/22) . so.. ok. it not an older version..

but like the article said. it *should* support the hd hardware in DAE mode..as it was released 3 months after the updated pt hd was released.. the original hd software 5.3 version having been released even earlier in the year in early 2002.

[chokobo]

Yeah I really don't want direct i/o, because that doesn't use the DSP, and well the 96 isn't really the best i/o available. ;P It's all about the TDM DSP action.

The other problem is if you select direct i/o then when you quit DP, even if you select something different later, then you are going to crash, and crash hard. It's not a pretty sight.

When you have an HD system the DSI doesn't get installed, unless you ask for the SampleCell support. Then it installed DSI 5.1.1.

I've tried reinstalling a couple of times (it's how I know the above). PT is working, but neither SV or DP are working with DAE 5.3.1.

If you have PT LE, and are running an i/o that doesn't have the TDM cards then the only available option is direct i/o. So I can see why on that thread folks were setting up their DP to run direct i/o.

I also can't get at any working version of SV 4.5.1. Most of the DLs are gonnified. The ones that still appear wont DL, with one exception, and that one wont uncompress.

Anyway I'm zonked. I've been at this all day. Thanks so much for all the help Chris--don't you sleep? I'm impressed by your ability to find stuff. Your Google-foo must be something to see.

I learned a bunch today, and got a lot of things working on the FW800. Even though my main goal of StudioVision isn't happening yet, it still feels like a successful day. And if I have to switch out the PT hardware to the Mix system that's okay. The HD system can go in the G5, and it wont be stapled to Panther any longer. That's actually a big win for the G5 rig.

If I can find a 4.51 SV I'll give that a go. If not tomorrow I'll swap out the hardware. 4.22 of SV should be pretty sweet on the FW800 with a Mix plus setup.

[supernova777]

i have all the opcode files + yes my google-fu is next level lol
i am the dragon warrior hyyyaaa

id say the chances of SVP working with the HD system is pretty much slim to none!!
u definately want to use the mix cards for SVP... if not ProTools24.. at least those cards were out when opcode was around.

why not just keep the hd system running pt5.3.1
and use your other machine to feed its inputs with the outputs
from the mixsystem running SVP, old meets new
midi production in SVP, record,post-process,+mix in PT|HD

anyway u slice it your going to have less support for PT|HD system in mac os 9..
as it came out as all the major players were gettin ready to move over to OSX..
thats why im quite surprised to see that article quoted above stating that dp3.11 would support DAE on the HD system!! i hope it turns out to be true!

[mrhappy]

  I'm impressed by your ability to find stuff. Your Google-foo must be something to see.

Yeah, no kidding! Chris is a 'Jedi Master Googler'!!!!

[mrhappy]

I learned a bunch today...

I'll second THAT one!! Haha

[MacTron]

The DP3 updates were added to the DP3 download section.

https://www.adrive.com/public/PGBvSB/DP3.11combinedUpdater.sit

This file includes the 3.02 and 3.11 updates, alongside MOTU audio System 2.4, Free Midi 1.48 and other minor updates.

[supernova777]

strange i was sure that the 3.11 update was already posted... !

[supernova777]

if I have to switch out the PT hardware to the Mix system that's okay. The HD system can go in the G5, and it wont be stapled to Panther any longer. That's actually a big win for the G5 rig.

yea it seems thats probably going to give u more freedom in options on which versions to run both upwards + downwards...  with hd in the g5 u can go up all the way to 10 if u want... or run even the lowest version of jaguar with 6.x

the tdm mix cards are definately a better match for the g4 ESPECIALLY if its your aim to get them to work with actually recording audio in studiovision.

still its very cool that the hd system will work in os9 with pt 5.31, i wish we could find out if theres any other supportings appls.. it would be nice to figure out if dp3.11 really does support the hd hardware..

[chokobo]

Hey Chris, again thanks for all the help yesterday.

Today I started out in verification mode. I pulled out my old Mac Genius ARD disc, and ran the FW800 through the tests. It did just fine.

I then ran the DigiTest on it. DigiTest found the HD Core card, which tested well, but it didn't see either of the Accel cards.

I then spent a lot of time looking for SV on the net. That ultimately turned up nothing. I figured I must have SV on an old drive around here, so I did some hooking up of old machines, and I found it. I'll soon try installing it to see what happens. If there's a way I can get it too you for the 9Lives archive that might be a good thing for the SV crowd.

I did try some more stuff with DP this morning, but it's coming up with the same issue, and if I launch DP on this machine with these cards it's a guaranteed hang on quit, and a forced reboot.

PT10 will still run on the PPC? That would be pretty amazing.

I also have a 1.25 MDD here. I used that last night to check on somethings. I doubt that there's a difference between it and the FW800 with regards to running DP, but it's probably worth a quick try while I have all this stuff out.

A couple of sudo related questions.

Have any of you used the IDE to SATA adaptors to create an SSD boot drive for these machines? Since the boot drive has a max of 190gb, and 128gb SATA SSD prices are dropping like rocks it seems like a natural thing to try.

I think I have a PS issue. If I turn off the machine for any amount of time the power button wont turn it on without unplugging the power cord. However, if I do a forced shutdown from the power button, and then start right away it comes on. This was a known condition of the FW800 machine I bought (and why I also got the MDD).

[chokobo]

SV 4.51 when DAE is selected the dialog states that it can't find DAE in the DAE folder. The HD DAE must be different enough that they are incompatible.

[supernova777]

yeah honestly dont even waste any time trying to get SVP to work with the hd system..waste of time. people have problems all the time trying to ge SVP to work with mac os 9.x even.. it works best with mac os 8.x and 7.x (u should know.. u used to work for them;)

i honestly dont understand how u could have trouble finding the svp files as they are all linked on here numerous times.. the file is called svpcomplete.sit for 4.5.1 and there a 4.2.x installer - as far as i know they are both fixed + require no floppy authorization.

re: pt10.. i mean.. whatever the top limit is. its pt 8 or something im not sure

[Jakl]

I think I have a PS issue. If I turn off the machine for any amount of time the power button wont turn it on without unplugging the power cord. However, if I do a forced shutdown from the power button, and then start right away it comes on. This was a known condition of the FW800 machine I bought (and why I also got the MDD).

Just do a PMU reset - the button is inside the mdd case door toward the bottom of the case door. Read the article here on how to;
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1939

[chokobo]

i honestly dont understand how u could have trouble finding the svp files as they are all linked on here numerous times.. the file is called svpcomplete.sit for 4.5.1 and there a 4.2.x installer - as far as i know they are both fixed + require no floppy authorization.

All the sites I've gone to either 404 out, or deliver a bad DL. There is just so little SV love out there these days. I did try to log into the Yahoo group, but it forgot my user name--I sent them a post last night, and I have yet to hear from them.

But it's cool. I had it on a hard drive on another machine.

I think I have a PS issue. If I turn off the machine for any amount of time the power button wont turn it on without unplugging the power cord. However, if I do a forced shutdown from the power button, and then start right away it comes on. This was a known condition of the FW800 machine I bought (and why I also got the MDD).

Just do a PMU reset - the button is inside the mdd case door toward the bottom of the case door. Read the article here on how to;
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1939

Oh cool I'll give that a shot. Thanks Jakl

While it's been a slow posting day for me I've made some decent progress.

I have the mix system installed in the FW800. SV 4.51 is running on it, and seeing plugins and what not. That one is going pretty well.

I had to remove PT 5.3.1 and install 5.1.3 instead in order to get it to work with the Mix system. As per the Digi docs

Pro Tools|24 MIX

Pro Tools 6.4.1 is the last release that supports MIX hardware.

Pro Tools 6.4.1 for Mac OS X 10.3
Pro Tools 6.4.1 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 6.1 for Mac OS X 10.2
Pro Tools 6.1 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 5.3.1 for Windows XP/2000
Pro Tools 5.1.3 for Mac OS 9
Pro Tools|24

Pro Tools 6.1 for Mac OS X
Pro Tools 6.1 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 5.3.1 for Windows XP/2000
Pro Tools 5.1.3 for Mac OS 9

If I try to run DP3.11 on it DAE gets confused and I have to reboot. I'm not sure why this is--I'll have to investigate this later.

I did learn something interesting though. While the HD rig was qualified for OS9, and thus DP3.11 it didn't include the Accel systems.

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/os9/hd/

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/

Non-Accel Pro Tools|HD Systems Only

Pro Tools 6.1 for Mac OS X 10.2
Pro Tools 6.1 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 5.3.3 for Windows XP
Pro Tools 5.3.1 for Mac OS 9

This probably explains why Digi test only saw the core card, but not the accel cards.

In the G5 I have the HD3 Accel system installed. DP 4.61 on Panther 10.3.9, with PT 6.4.1. This is sort of working. I think that maybe I have the cards in the wrong order, or the flex cables.

PT10 wont install on the G5. Had to give it a try since I had it around.

It's looking like around V7 of DP is going to be it for the G5 trying to run DAE.

http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technotes/digital-performer-dae-mode-compatibility

But it also looks like Tiger (10.4) is Digi's limit for the PPC and PT.

Pro Tools|HD Accel & Pro Tools|HD Systems

Pro Tools HD 7.0/7.1 for Mac OS X 10.4 for PPC-based Macs

I currently have Leopard (10.5) on one of the boot drives, and that doesn't seem to be working, although Panther (10.3) does seem to be doing better. Another bummer about Leopard--it doesn't file share with OS9!

Anyway it looks like I'm going to have to get the Tiger installer out, and make an Audio System boot drive with it for the G5. I was hoping to at least get to Leopard (10.5) with it, but it doesn't look like PT supported any PPC action for the HD beyond Tiger (10.4)

Currently the Core card is in the slot closet to the video card, but digi test is calling this slot two, with the Accel cards in slot one, and zero. So I'm going to try moving them around to see if it that works.

[supernova777]

on the g5 u might aswell have a 100gb + drive with 3 partitions, one for panther, tiger, leopard
while u are testing compatibility..

i think pt8 on leopard is as high asu can go on ppc with the hd system on the g5

also im pretty sure u can go higher then HD7, if u look at the date of that *entire page* that info is dated from 2006... so every page it links to doesnt contain any info newer then 2006.. which is why the highest it lists is HD7 because nothing else was out at the time of writing

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Compatibility/en353275

Please Note: Pro Tools 8.0.3 software (and higher) does not support some retired products, including:

    Expansion|HD Chassis
    Macintosh PowerPC Computers

pretty sure there is a "Pro Tools HD 8 (2008)" and it the only version of HD that will run on Leopard OS... 8.0.3 is an update to HD8 for intel cpus only... so the final version for powerpc would be 8.0.1 or 8.0.2 (if they even exist) or 8.0 itself.

http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/New_in_HD_80_56120.pdf

but yea HD7 is the highest for Tiger.
http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/media/brochurePro_Tools_HD-7_36070.pdf

so did we figure out that the accell cards are not supported at all under mac os 9? for sure?
its only the HD core + HD process cards that are supported right? (why your accell cards didnt show up in digitest?)

[chokobo]

Just a quick update.

SV 4.51 was really unstable. I've switched to 4.22, and things look pretty good so far. This is running DAE 5.1.3, on OS9 9.2.2 (9Lives edition), on the FW800 DP1.46 with Rom 10.2.1.

On the 1.6 G5 with the PT HD3 system I was able to get DP4.6 to run with DAE 6.4.1, on OS X 10.3.9. This seems to be pretty stable as well. This is the last DAE that supported PT Mix, which is what I had installed on this computer.

Apparently Digi stopped supporting DAE for third parties with DAE 8.0.3, which was an Intel version. Motu's last support of DAE was DP 7.22. I'm going to hunt around for DAE 8.0.2, which Chris has suggested still supports the PPC, and see if I can find 7.22 of DP. If I can source these I'll set up a boot drive to test with Leopard (10.5--the last version of OS X to support the PPC) which is required for DAE 7.4.2 and presumedly for 8.0.2.

Actually on this page Motu suggest running DAE from PT 8.0 cs3 or later from DP 7.2-7.22.

Avid list a PT update for 8.0.1cs2 on their site. I'm DLing that, but it will probably require an existing copy of 8 to install. I think I have DP6 around here somewhere so I'll look in to that one too.

DP8 won't work on the PPC as it apparently requires OS X 10.6.8, or later.

MachFive is also of interest on this machine. MachFive2 will run on a PPC with 10.3.9, or later. I'll check into this soon. MachFive3 doesn't support the PPC, which is a shame because they made some nice UI upgrades with 3.

The original version of MachFive looks to have supported OS9. I'll try and source that for testing on the FW800.

The PMU reset didn't fix the startup issue, so I think it's the power supply. I'll probably try swapping the one from the MDD when I get a chance to find out. They are both the 360 version.

[supernova777]

thats the worst part about mdds.. really wish they had of used standard ATX psu's on all the g4s. I just blew one up myself that was working great untill i fried it lol

http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/pthd801cs2mac_66305.pdf
this is the last update for ppc PT8.. 8.0.1cs2

Pro  Tools  HD  8.0.1cs2  for  Mac 
OS  X  Release  Notes
May  12,  2010
Introducing  Pro  Tools  8.0.1cs2  for  users  of  PowerPC  Macintosh,  original  Mbox,  and  Expansion|HD  chassis In  August  2009  we  announced that  Pro  Tools  8.0.1  would  be  the  last  full  Pro  Tools  release  to  support  PowerPC based  Macs,  the  original  Mbox,  and  Expansion|HD chassis.  We  have  continued  to  monitor  the  performance  of  8.0.1  and  now,  based  on user  feedback,  we  are  pleased  to  offer  you  one  final  Pro Tools  software  update Pro Tools  8.0.1cs2.... http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/compressed/pthd801cs2_66314.dmg

[P.O.]

Yes, those stinkin' Acbel PSUs are a real PITA. I have no less than six Powermacs G3/G4 here, and all but one has their original PSU dead. I really wish someone would isolate the component that goes bad in all of them (I'm sure it's always the same)...

[supernova777]

you can have them repaired.. by electronic technicians but the thing is. noone will do the work without charging u less then 100$ and u can find another MDD for about half that where i live.. but the thing is u dont know how much it was actually "used up"