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[supernova777]

re: HD interfaces.. im trying to answer some questions

how many inputs per HD core card? is it 16?
from the image i saw originally it looked like a 192 is 8 analog in + 8 digital in
im so confused - i dont understand why digidesign cant explain things simple.

whats the max inputs u can have with a simple HD1 system?
whats the max inputs u can have with a 192 io?
whats the max inputs u can have with a 96 io?

if i wanted to build an HD (non acell) system with 32 analog inputs, can this be done? if so with what combination of hardware? thx

from the 1999 article on soundonsound re: protools 24mix: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr99/articles/protools.htm

Each Pro Tools 24 MIX Core and MIX Farm card provides support for 16 channels of I/O using any combination of Digidesign audio interfaces (bought separately), including the 888 24 I/O, 882 20 I/O and ADAT Bridge I/O, or third-party interfaces from companies such as Apogee. The older 888 and 882 interfaces can also be used: though they lack the 24-bit A-D and 20-bit D-A converters of the newer interfaces, the 888 can carry 24-bit digital audio via the AES-EBU and S/PDIF connections. You can always digitise or monitor via a mixer such as the Yamaha 02R, or using any third-party converters, and - most importantly - still get 24-bit audio in and out of a Pro Tools system using the older 888 interfaces if you need to. Existing users who already have one or more 888 interfaces will be particularly interested to know this!

888 looks like it can support 18 channels, 8 analog, 8 digital via AES-EBU then 2 via SPDIF
guess i should check the manual
http://akarchive.digidesign.com/support/docs/888_24_IO_Guide.pdf
http://www.fullcompass.com/common/files/343-Digidesign88220IOProductBrochure.pdf

is this pretty much the same for all the TDM cards? 16 i/o per card?

[P.O.]

Well, I AM an electronic technician... I fix stuff all the time. But these PSUs give me no clue as to what is wrong. I can get no schematic, and it's so cramped in there it's hard just to make a visual inspection...

[mrhappy]

I did learn something interesting though. While the HD rig was qualified for OS9, and thus DP3.11 it didn't include the Accel systems.

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/os9/hd/

http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/

Non-Accel Pro Tools|HD Systems Only

This probably explains why Digi test only saw the core card, but not the accel cards.

I was wondering about That so it's good to know!

[mrhappy]

re: HD interfaces.. im trying to answer some questions

is this pretty much the same for all the TDM cards? 16 i/o per card?

You can use 2 of those 888's (that you have linked) per card via the 'Y' cable for 16 analog i/o per card. You have to choose between the Aes/ebu OR the S/PDIF . I haven't used the aes on my stuff but do use the s/pdif to monitor.

[LoFizle]

The 9610 depending on the version there is two. one has a leagcy and one doesnt. so you could have 8 in from the 96io and another 8 from the lagacy port. I think, thats my plan, ill let ya know if it works.

The one 192 comes standard as 8, but can be expanded either to another 8 with digital or analog exp cards.

You can also use apogee interface. They have cards for the tdm and hd rigs. There are other ad/da converters that will do this to. I just cant remember the brands off the top of my head.


You could also utilize the adat inputs aswell.

[Protools5LEGuy]

I saw some nuked Chassis for 192 without any card on eBay. I would like to know if that combo HD + 96 or 192 works without any of the 6 (?) 4 bays or slots used via the SPDIF onboard on blue chassis.

The ADAT in 192 and 96 IO is part of an ADD-ON card IIRC.

From time to time there are eBay offers of blue DIGI-Avid chassis. 

[chokobo]

I didn't work on any of the HD stuff. I mostly was responsible for non-tDM things while I was at digi, and Mix Plus hadn't even come out yet. But I do have some friends that were there. I have calls out to them to ask some questions.

However, from what I understand none of the 888/882 stuff will directly work with the HD cards. You can plug them into the legacy ports on a 96i/o, and 192 i/o. But you clearly have to have one of those available.

What I'm currently doing may be of interest. The 96 has light pipe in/out. On my nMP I have the Focusrite 18i8 which also has light pipe in. I am able to send 8 channels from the 96 into the 18i8. It works very nicely (well there's no word clock sync so you could expect jitter, but it's fine for a quick monitor action). Thus I believe you could use a 96 with the 8 built in channels, and use the light pipe for another 8 if you had something that would do 8 channels via light pipe--could even be an ADAT or the Tascam 8 tracks--you don't have to have a tape in them for them to be converters.

With regards to the card slots in the 192, and the 96. I believe there is a way to get 24 channels in or out with a full set. It can be analogue, or digital. This is the reason they went to a slot system. They could build one interface, and allow the customer to configure it to their own needs.

Tracks and channels are different animals--even with the digi stuff. For instance maybe you only have enough hardware to pull off 16 tracks, but you'd want more channels because of outboard gear.

There is an empty 192 on teh eBay right now. I don't know if it can function empty, but if it's like the 96 (and I expect that it is) you might be able to get 8 channels through the light pipe, and another two via spdif, or aes. I'll ask my buddy about it when I hear back from him.

[chokobo]

Well I'm stumped again. I've been working at getting DP6 installed on the G5 with the HD system. It is currently asking for the file:

MOTUAudioFeeder.dpm

This should show up in the directory:

Macintosh HD>Library>Application Support>Digidesign>Plugins>MOTUAudioFeeder.dpm

I've done the PT7 install, with the cs updates to 7.4.2cs4

And I've done the Motu updates to DP6.03

This is running on Leopard 10.5.8

The docs say to run the Motu installer post the PT installer, and I've done that multiple times. It seems that file should be getting installed by the DP installer, but apparently it is not.

[chokobo]

I searched and searched and searched, and the only references I saw to that file were all related to DP5. I have DP5 installed on this machine, but from some time ago when I was running mix on it. But nothing else seemed to work so I tried a re-install of DP5. Sure enough that did it!

Now currently running DP6 6.03 in HD|Accel (7.4.2cs4) mode on the 1.6 G5 in OS X Leopard (10.5..

[supernova777]

how is it... i can imagine the 1.6 G5 would be slow.. especially running leopard..
but anyway . this forum is entirely dedicated to mac os 9.. so really we shouldnt even be going on discussing these things but its nice to hear about your success;)

getting back to the topic of mac os 9.
what about trying DP3.11 on the TDM MIX system?
i would guess this is fairly easy to get going?

[IIO]

this is becoming an OSX discussion.

[chokobo]

Hey Cats,

Sorry if this little bit of additional info seems to be too much OS X for your corns. I don't have to post the OS X stuff, I mean it takes extra time do to so--I just figured that some people running one of these PPC machines would be interested in this closely related, and difficult to find information.

PT HD rigs are increasingly becoming affordable. I got mine for $420. That's like free compared to what they sold for new. Less than the tax most likely. It will run swimmingly on an MDD, or FW800 with DP. The 1.6 G5 does great with it because all the audio is handled over the TDM buss, and on the card's DSPs. All the Mac has to do is some real basic graphics for the user. Now host based plugins will take a toll of course, but heck with all those beautiful DSPs just kicking it one must be really compelled to use a host based plugin.

Now I'm new around here, and basically your guest. You've been super nice to me--which is greatly appreciated. But seriously--hating on earlier OS X action seems a bit harsh. OS X is without a doubt the best tool around for supporting OS9. Because of this, to keep OS9 rocking you've got to be up on your early OS X info. Even if all you want to do is OS9 you need to at least be aware of the OS X stuff that directly relates to your OS9 machine. But! If you don't want to know about it just don't read it. Happily skim past it--that's a life skill for surviving the internet.

With regards to DP on the Mix. Reading through the docs I got an idea. DP 3.11 is needed for the 5.3.1 version of PT, and DAE. The last version of PT/DAE that works on mix however is 5.1.3.  DP 3.11 doesn't play nice with 5.1.3. It turns out that DP 3.02 does though with the 5.1.3 version of DAE. I need to do more testing with it, but that looks like the combination for running DP on Mix within OS9, and of course this was on the FW800 running 9Lives.

Now my main goal with this kit is to build a super powerful StudioVision rig. That's why I got the FW800, the PT|HD, and started interacting with you cats. My interests in the older DP is mostly to provide information for you guys. I have a nMP on which I'm running DP8. It's awesome. So really all these posts about DP have been to provide you cats with info be it for OS9, or OS X (of which there has truly been very little in this thread). Just saying.

[supernova777]

your contributions are appreciated
especially when it comes to the Pro tools / Digital Performer & PT DAE/Studio Vision combination related information!!
like i said id love to hear more about pro tools DAE combinations with dp + svp... on mac os 9!

noone else here on the site so far has talked about these combinations.. our other members are only interetsed in using pt hardware with logic 6 for example.. this is specialized + hard-to-find info (For some) any info or links u can drop.. are hugely appreciated by me.. dont be afraid to start a new specific thread appropriately titled if its something important so that the info can get properly indexed + searchable on google etc
(ie: "using digital performer with TDM hardware" or "using studio vision with TDM hardware")

[supernova777]

hey fizzle check it out
http://www2.digidesign.com/digizine/archive/digizine_august02/centerfold/

[mrhappy]

wow..so they even had centerfolds!

[GaryN]

I too, decided to keep hat was left of my hair and gave up .
I transfer stuff between my OS9 system and my Mavericks laptop by using a 1.67 MacBook running Leopard as a bridge. No cables, just Wi-Fi. It works.

[chokobo]

Well after much hard earned effort I have the Virus Indigo working on the G5 in PT|HD Accel, with DP7 in Leopard (10.5.8 ). It was working in Panther (10.3.9), but the stupid iLok software was locking me out of my paid for app when I launched in 10.5. The other iLoked plugins that I have were working fine in both systems--this one was a bugger.

The fix was Digi made a special version just for PT7 (which is the DAE that I'm running for DP7.01. PT8 also has a special version of the Indigo plugin. If I end up upgrading DP to 7.24 (the last DAE issue), then I'll have to go to DAE 8.0.2 (the last PPC issue), and also update the Indigo.

One thing that I'm super happy to be reminded about (because I totally forgot) is that the Virus has a Vocoder!!! Oh yeah this is super cool.

Yes that is an ABBA song my little Chiquita.

[chokobo]

I too, decided to keep hat was left of my hair and gave up .
I transfer stuff between my OS9 system and my Mavericks laptop by using a 1.67 MacBook running Leopard as a bridge. No cables, just Wi-Fi. It works.

Yeah it seems that something like this is the only rational way to proceed. But how are you getting Leopard to talk to OS9? I have to reboot the G5 to Panther (I don't have Tiger on it) to effect the bridge because the G5 doesn't see the FW800/OS9 machine. Is there some trick to getting Leopard to see OS9? I would very much like to know.

[supernova777]

http://www.wazmac.com/quickstarts/pdf/osx_server/leopard/06_sharepoints1.pdf

http://www.macworld.com/article/1132002/mobilemac2503.html

http://macs.about.com/od/diyguidesprojects/ss/fileserver_5.htm

try reading this

[chokobo]

Since Gary got it working I figured there had to be a way. I did a bunch of reading. Found stuff like this:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1811217?tstart=0

It only kind of gives the story. To get OS X 10.5.8 to see OS9 9.22 I had to turn on sharing on the OS9 machine. Then on the OS X machine I had to make sure I had AppleTalk enabled (in the system prefs networking panel), and then from the Finder's Go menu select Connect to Server (command-K). Once there it didn't seem to work just to type in

afp://ComputerName/

Even though I've had that work before with other machines. This time I actually had to type in the ip addy

afp://192.168.xx.yy

Then it magically showed up. 

Sadly from the nMP running Yosemite the option to turn on AppleTalk has been removed, and even with the ip addy it doesn't work.

Another thing that didn't work for me at first, was connecting from OS9. From the Apple menu Control Panels, selecting Chooser, AppleTalk, typing in an ip addy, the computer looks like it's totally hung--not even the seconds of the clock change, but if you wait long enough it comes back. I'm going to have to play around with it some more. Maybe I have a bad ethernet cable or something.