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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2021, 01:26:02 PM »

Multi-button mouse support would be nice.
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #82 on: June 30, 2022, 08:07:37 PM »

It appears from MacOS 9.1 onwards Apple broke/removed resource decompression. This feature was build into Resource Manager to allow programs to access resource fork data that may be compressed on disk but "heats" it into memory as uncompressed data. The lack of resource decompression contributes to why After Dark 4.0/Deluxe crashes on MacOS 9.1 and later systems.

It would be awesome to get this functionality back as this may go towards overall app compatibility and stability on MacOS 9.2.2.
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #83 on: March 10, 2024, 07:52:16 PM »

It appears from MacOS 9.1 onwards Apple broke/removed resource decompression. This feature was build into Resource Manager to allow programs to access resource fork data that may be compressed on disk but "heats" it into memory as uncompressed data. The lack of resource decompression contributes to why After Dark 4.0/Deluxe crashes on MacOS 9.1 and later systems.

It would be awesome to get this functionality back as this may go towards overall app compatibility and stability on MacOS 9.2.2.

sry to bump another old thread but
just seconding and supporting this request (and wondering if there was any progress on a fix since it was posted)
this could explain a number of programs that run fine in 8.6 that glitch out on 9.1/9.2
but it's worth attention even if just for afterdark alone
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #84 on: March 11, 2024, 12:43:28 AM »

I wonder where this feature lays in the OS... Interesting.
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #85 on: April 10, 2024, 06:39:16 PM »

Multi-button mouse support would be nice.

Don't you mean, "...would be... mice" ??  :D :D

Okay, okay, sorry.
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2024, 03:28:53 AM »

LOL :-D


Never heard about the "resource decompression" issue but I'd be interested to hear more about it / see a fix for that too if it'd increase backwards compatibility.
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #87 on: April 14, 2024, 11:18:31 AM »

multi button mouse, not multi mice button.
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #88 on: September 23, 2024, 07:33:13 PM »

I have to second, third or fourth agree (I lost track) on the idea (and near need) of using large drives without having to shell out the money (and the resulting "be damn careful as data loss can happen" warnings) for the Intech Disk SpeedTools driver.

Especially with the move to SSDs happening all over, not to mention replacement mechanical disk drives, all of which are going to get (if not already) impossible to use because all are larger than that which Drive Setup can see and use.  So you are stuck with not being able to use the whole drive.

I ran into this recently after I upgraded the hard drive in my iMac G4 to a 500GB and the MacOS 9 install would only let me see about 130GB of the drive. I had to set up an OSX partition, install OSX Tiger, and then initialize the rest of the drive from there. I set up two 190GB partitions and then a smaller one of whatever space was leftover, and I can access all of them from OS9. It took the better part of a weekend to figure this all out, but I got it working.

Part of it was that I couldn't do a fresh install of MacOS9 Lives - the Drive Setup app would only let me initialize my freshly partitioned drive. So what I had to do was launch into Tiger and then use Disk Utility to 'Restore' the disk image off the MacOS9 Lives CD.
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #89 on: November 16, 2024, 10:18:38 PM »

I have to second, third or fourth agree (I lost track) on the idea (and near need) of using large drives without having to shell out the money (and the resulting "be damn careful as data loss can happen" warnings) for the Intech Disk SpeedTools driver.

Especially with the move to SSDs happening all over, not to mention replacement mechanical disk drives, all of which are going to get (if not already) impossible to use because all are larger than that which Drive Setup can see and use.  So you are stuck with not being able to use the whole drive.

I ran into this recently after I upgraded the hard drive in my iMac G4 to a 500GB and the MacOS 9 install would only let me see about 130GB of the drive. I had to set up an OSX partition, install OSX Tiger, and then initialize the rest of the drive from there. I set up two 190GB partitions and then a smaller one of whatever space was leftover, and I can access all of them from OS9. It took the better part of a weekend to figure this all out, but I got it working.

Part of it was that I couldn't do a fresh install of MacOS9 Lives - the Drive Setup app would only let me initialize my freshly partitioned drive. So what I had to do was launch into Tiger and then use Disk Utility to 'Restore' the disk image off the MacOS9 Lives CD.

Drive Setup 2.1 can format partitions as big as 2 TB directly from OS 9, no OS X needed. At least as long it is not a FireWire drive, which in OS 9 requires Drive Setup 1.9.2 instead.

Also to quote myself on how to use Drive Setup 2.1 for creating partitions as big as 2 TB:

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Now one thing you might notice when using Drive Setup 2.1 is that, when configuring your partitions, the partition size textboxes cannot display all the digits, but they certainly store the correct values. You may also notice that if you try typing in the value you want, it will go awry, and not allow you to type values you might want, and will start wrapping those values around in an very confusing fashion. So one thing you can do, instead, is to click and drag up/down the upper/lower borders of the drawing on the left representing your partitions and their sizes. That works right, somehow. One final note is that Drive Setup 2.1 has a huge preference to default to 1TB as a maximum partition size, funnily enough, so make sure to use the workarounds that were just described.
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2024, 05:47:51 AM »

if an imac can only see 130 of 500, the problem is not the formatting tool. ;)
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2024, 07:08:57 AM »

if an imac can only see 130 of 500, the problem is not the formatting tool. ;)

It was the "Mac OS 9 install" / Drive Setup app that only showed "about 130GB", not the iMac, so much so that @•_indigo_• bypassed the issue by using Disk Utility in OS X. This is a known limitation of Drive Setup 1.9.2 and earlier (exact limit is 128 GB), which is overcome with Drive Setup 2.1.

There's also the hardware-based limitation of 128 GB in older IDE controllers present in a lot of the Macs, but since using barebones OS X didn't manifest the issue, then that wasn't the problem of @•_indigo_•'s Mac, also because booting back into Mac OS 9, all the 500 GB was available. So it is an issue with the formatting tool.

TL;DR No need for OS X, the drive can be setup and used fully from Mac OS 9.
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Re: Mac OS 9 Development Requests (OS Level Items)
« Reply #92 on: November 20, 2024, 02:50:06 PM »


somehow his name "indigo" got me on the completely wrong path.^^ ok so it is a G4 imac.
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