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[BIg_Macintosh]

Is there a build of wine   ( W       I   N            E              )    that will run on osx9.2.2?
                                       ( WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR )

[laulandn]

By "osx9.2.2" I believe you mean classic MacOS 9.2.2, and not some version of MacOS X.

Assuming that is correct: A version of wine for MacOS 9.2.2 does not exist.

The next, maybe obvious question would be: Why not?

There are two possible answers:

1) Because it is impossible to create one, as the classic MacOS is too limited, and doesn't include the kinds of API functions needed.

2) Because it would be extremely difficult to do, but not impossible.

Leading my own horse on to the next question (so to speak): If it's possible, why hasn't anyone done it?

1) Because nobody has bothered trying.

2) Because someone has tried, found it not just extremely difficult, but a HUGE amount of work, and not worth it, as there isn't much demand for it.

Sadly, just to find out IF it is possible or not, would itself be a lot of work.  I can imagine the process, and the steps needed to take, but they would not be fun in any way, and most likely end up just being very frustrating to whomever tried.  Probably it isn't possible, or the amount of work truly WOULD be huge.  The cost/benefit analysis doesn't add up.  It isn't worth the trouble of trying.

Conclusion: If you want to run Windows software on MacOS 9.2.2 emulators like VirtualPC or SoftWindows will do you fine.

[aBc]

Again… not looking good for OS 9.2.2.

But did source these for Tiger & Leopard.
(Which can supposedly run on an MDD.)

https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/winebottler

https://winebottler.kronenberg.org/downloads
  Scroll down to bottom for older versions.

Have big fun! 

The v1.2.5 and the v1.4 look interesting. [Still sadly, OSX versions.]
And for more background info: https://winebottler.kronenberg.org/
 

[BIg_Macintosh]

Again… not looking good for OS 9.2.2.

But did source these for Tiger & Leopard.
(Which can supposedly run on an MDD.)

https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/winebottler

https://winebottler.kronenberg.org/downloads
  Scroll down to bottom for older versions.

Have big fun! 

The v1.2.5 and the v1.4 look interesting. [Still sadly, OSX versions.]
And for more background info: https://winebottler.kronenberg.org/

Thanks, this looks interesting!

I will see if I can think of anything fun to with this.

[aBc]

Okay. So now you are our official tester of this...
and you are compelled to report your findings.

[Windoze]

The bigger problem is the CPU architecture. Wine for Tiger and up only runs on Intel Macs.
Wine reimplements the Win32 API but does NOT emulate an Intel CPU

[aBc]

Wine for Tiger and up only runs on Intel Macs.

Well that is indeed sad news. Thanks.

Now Big_Macintosh might need go an actual emulator route?
OR… opt for an Intel based Mac instead to run WINE / WineBottler.

Such can be the inherent pains transitioning from Windows to Mac, ehh?

And now DieHard & PT5LEG have both provided suitable sound card options.
https://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=7569.msg58537#msg58537

[BIg_Macintosh]

Wine for Tiger and up only runs on Intel Macs.

Well that is indeed sad news. Thanks.

Now Big_Macintosh might need go an actual emulator route?
OR… opt for an Intel based Mac instead to run WINE / WineBottler.

Such can be the inherent pains transitioning from Windows to Mac, ehh?

And now DieHard & PT5LEG have both provided suitable sound card options.
https://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=7569.msg58537#msg58537

I mean I have yosemite 10.10.5 running on an intel imac...
I had to downgrade it past the OS it shipped with :p
If someone could give me a hackintosh tiger distro to run on my intel mac I would be quite happy
(unless there is a way to downgrade past the os it ships with without using hackintosh distros?)

Also need to install that soundcard soon >

[laulandn]

Actually...I'm just going to mention it for completeness, because it is not terribly useful...but there IS indeed a version of wine for PowerPC macs (MacOS X, definitely not MacOS 9).  At least there WAS a quite old one, and messed with it a little before realizing it was an interesting artifact at best.

wine is used in two very different ways:
1) To load and run an x86 Windows .exe file, along with the dll's it needs.  Some of these dll's will be straight x86 Windows ones, but some are from wine itself (obviously the core ones).  This uses an unmodified original .exe file.
2) To recompile Windows apps from source, using wine as a library.  This creates a native app that uses the Windows API.

wine on any cpu other than intel will ONLY be able to use #2.  And since we don't have the source code for commercial software, is useless for running boxed games, etc.

The problem is worse because of the dll's.  For them, if they aren't already provided by wine, you ALSO need the source code and need to build them yourself.

Then, the cherry on the cake, the fact that PowerPC is big endian, so you will run into countless little hitches where the code assumes one thing, and the cpu the other.

Add ALL the above to Apple (and most of the world at the time) switching to Intel, made wine on PowerPC only interesting to Retro programmers.  In theory, it could be used, but, if you have the source code, a real Mac port will (arguably) be far easier, run better, and be less buggy.

It was called "Darwine", and here it is, the PowerPC one only works on 10.3 (probably), and it is a very old wine:
https://darwine.sourceforge.net/download.php

[BIg_Macintosh]

Actually...I'm just going to mention it for completeness, because it is not terribly useful...but there IS indeed a version of wine for PowerPC macs (MacOS X, definitely not MacOS 9).  At least there WAS a quite old one, and messed with it a little before realizing it was an interesting artifact at best.

wine is used in two very different ways:
1) To load and run an x86 Windows .exe file, along with the dll's it needs.  Some of these dll's will be straight x86 Windows ones, but some are from wine itself (obviously the core ones).  This uses an unmodified original .exe file.
2) To recompile Windows apps from source, using wine as a library.  This creates a native app that uses the Windows API.

wine on any cpu other than intel will ONLY be able to use #2.  And since we don't have the source code for commercial software, is useless for running boxed games, etc.

The problem is worse because of the dll's.  For them, if they aren't already provided by wine, you ALSO need the source code and need to build them yourself.

Then, the cherry on the cake, the fact that PowerPC is big endian, so you will run into countless little hitches where the code assumes one thing, and the cpu the other.

Add ALL the above to Apple (and most of the world at the time) switching to Intel, made wine on PowerPC only interesting to Retro programmers.  In theory, it could be used, but, if you have the source code, a real Mac port will (arguably) be far easier, run better, and be less buggy.

It was called "Darwine", and here it is, the PowerPC one only works on 10.3 (probably), and it is a very old wine:
https://darwine.sourceforge.net/download.php

The witcher 3 source code was leaked...
WITCHER 3 ON MAC OS 9.2.2?!?!?!?!
Hahaha, as if.
It's interesting but probably not that practical, though I'm sure someone could think of some obscure use case for this.
Maybe like a really weird port of doom?

[laulandn]

Nothing is impossible...just VERY VERY difficult.  I'm very interested in MacOS 9 and doing very difficult things.  It's just a cost benefit analysis.  If enough people got behind something, I'd jump on board.

Things that are missing in MacOS 9 could be added or worked around, it's less of a technical problem, and more of an lack of interest by human beings.  Not to say there aren't technical problems...but, with enough programmers, anything COULD be done.

[BIg_Macintosh]

Nothing is impossible...just VERY VERY difficult.  I'm very interested in MacOS 9 and doing very difficult things.  It's just a cost benefit analysis.  If enough people got behind something, I'd jump on board.

Things that are missing in MacOS 9 could be added or worked around, it's less of a technical problem, and more of an lack of interest by human beings.  Not to say there aren't technical problems...but, with enough programmers, anything COULD be done.

Unless we find a way to port modern gpus over the better option for witcher 3 would be to go through the code to reduce gpu usage and covert it to work with powerpc.
Though I do recognize that that is fairly ludicrous.

I think that compiling the weird wine doom might work though

[laulandn]

I think that compiling the weird wine doom might work though

If you ever want to actually try something like that, learn, if not to code, but at least how to build stuff, let me know.

I don't know if I'd describe it as "fun", unless you're a hard core coder, but can be interesting "seeing how the sausage is made".

So, with Doom, it graphics may be one of several:
Plain old windows api calls (easy on wine)
wing (directx's predecessor, no wine version exists)
directx (wine has SOME, but it is very very old in the "darwine").

Now, doing a "weird doom" for intel macs using wine, that is entirely possible, and probably a couple of the "mac ports" out there are exactly that.

[BIg_Macintosh]

I think that compiling the weird wine doom might work though

If you ever want to actually try something like that, learn, if not to code, but at least how to build stuff, let me know.

I don't know if I'd describe it as "fun", unless you're a hard core coder, but can be interesting "seeing how the sausage is made".

So, with Doom, it graphics may be one of several:
Plain old windows api calls (easy on wine)
wing (directx's predecessor, no wine version exists)
directx (wine has SOME, but it is very very old in the "darwine").

Now, doing a "weird doom" for intel macs using wine, that is entirely possible, and probably a couple of the "mac ports" out there are exactly that.

Low chance I will get around too it (gz doom and the likes are already ported haha) but on a rainy day where I truly have nothing else to do I will have a crack at it, it's written in c rather than c++ so that makes things a bit easier.