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[Mat]

DieHard, what you wrote sounds quite reasonable. I made a quick test with DiskWarrior before I left for party, and it couldn

[supernova777]

hey mat.. sorry for my lack of detail in my response.. but.. for me, personally, i dont choose sides.. I choose all sides.. u get me? just like i refuse to choose one religion, but rather, i treat each religion with respect + i enjoy learning new thing i didnt know previously about their views + pracitices.. because it enhances me to understand more view points.. to understand things from more perspectives makes me more diverse.. so i dont choose one over the other..
with operating systems , again, im a student, i may have preferences but i would not allow those preferences to situatte me to one side of a fence and to negate + be ignorant to another.. XP.. has things to offer.. OSX has things to offer.. os9.. has things to offer. they all have value. they are all great peices of software. personal preference is just that.. personal preference. Why choose 1 when u can rock them all... maybe if i only could have one computer.. but i dont, i have like.. 8.. and i would have more if i could probably! because i  like diversity.. i liek options.. I like variety.. I love and have a special place in my memory for os9 when i was first learning of alot of the prorgams i know + use today... os9 was there.. it was the starting point for alot of things, but the world has moved on.. u cant foolishly shun the last 12-14 years of operating system advances entirely. by all means continue to use your beloved os9 + old machines + keep them in working order etc but. dont take this attitude towards current tech. or u will find yourself a thing of the past with no way to communicate with the modern world.. it doesnt make sense to shun osx.  i understand your perspective.. but all os's that were madee, were  made! and can be used .. with what limited software was developed for them.. but os9 is a 16 yo who hasnt learn a new word in the last 16 years.. lol and it will never grow + change its frozen in time as it is.. do what u can with it.. but dont make it your only computer os!! you dont have to choose 1 over the other..

the way i see it.. use whatever u can get your hands on to whatever advantage you can muster.. !

[supernova777]

and for the record .. i didnt say to run both. i said originally i had nothing but success using osx's diskutility to partition my drives.... and i said i ran thise from teh osx installer dvd.. ie: put in dvd.. boot up to osx setup.. partition my drives... install osx... and then i used the dmg installer for 9.2.2 restore using disk utility takes a few seconds.. instant os9 install.. reboot.. enjoy.. never had a problem.. because im not running OSX ont he machine as u guys are assuming ..  i have had them installed on same disk, diff partitions.. and ive never had a problem
maybe u guys had problems because u did it the other way raround.. partitioning in os9 and then installing osx..
amybe thats the cause of the problems you + Die hard speak of but ive never had a problem using osx diskutility for partitioning!!!!!!! ever!!  i have read about it and been wary of it. but its yet to happen to me.. so perhaps im on to something and i did things differently from you

i know theres also some differences in 10.3's disk utility vs 10.4's
but u guys dont want to discuss that im sure:) lol

[Mat]

Hi Chris.

Are we going to discuss this here inside this thread? If you appreciate, just move our postings to some new thread for discussing thas OS philosophies deeply and at an own place.

I can understand you somehow. But I am now old enought to get the fact, that most of the "improvements" of modern Operating Systems are not necessary for what people like to do. In fact most stuff is just for selling more. Selling computers every 2nd year, selling more advertising etc. etc. And I am not willing to follow the companies idea how to gain profit anymore. Mac OS 9 helped me a lot to understand this, as I started to search for solutions for stuff I like to do. And 98% can be done with Mac OS 9 as well, and most things of the remaining 2% are not interresting (like most modern webpages, that would need improved JavaScript for example, that just collect my data, and thus are not really interresting).

Computers are often livestyle products, and often status symbols as I wrote. And that is what I am not interrested in at all (anymore). So I like to use tools that help me. And a snappy Mac OS 9 desktop helps me a lot for the work I like to get done. A "Unix-free" environment at a single user desktop helps me even more to not have to deal with complicated system stuff. But that...

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[supernova777]

i agree 100% about javascript.. clientside code is mostly serving the companies and not us.. i 10000%% agreee with you there.. definately.

[supernova777]

disk first aid ...
clearly this was the precursor for X's disk utility
i cant believe it doesnt even show the disk info in the app tho but
to be fair i guess it really was intended soley for the purpose of verifying volumes..

i read u guys mentioning something called HDST or something
i find that alot of u when u post, u really dont post the information in a way that it can be explained + understood by someone who is unfamiliar to begin with
i personally have no idea what HDST is..
can someone write an intelligible post to communicate to os9 newbies what the different options are for partitioning + formatting?
i mean really guys, this site isnt going to go anywhere or accomplish much if u dont make an effort to really explain this as if u were speaking to your 10 year old child (if you had one)
if u write in such a way.. the site will be surely usefull to other people who find the information .. the site is already comijng up in google search pretty readily when u do a search for mac os 9 (if you hadnt noticed)

lets try to make our posts valuable + explanative? + full of information??
thats where my perspective differs i guess coming from a web design background i always look at things as if im an 85 year old woman or a martian who just landed to earth .. very few people take the time to fully explain things.

so again, what are the different options? as i explained to you , i use osx' disk utility.
so what are the other options?

[Mat]

"Hard Disc Speed Tools", and I did a understandable posting back than: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=16.msg42#msg42

I think your aims are good, and I can understand that you like us to be as clear as possible, but it is more somthing for a Wiki...

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[DieHard]

Come now that's part of the fun, when you read and have to open another tab to google or as mat said Wikipedia.  I think we should explain things clearly as Chris said, however, there has to be a balance of explaining and "Spoon Feeding" ... leave the Spoon feeding for the hot Mamas.

[acelera]

Sorry to bump up this old thread but I did do a search first. Apologies, again, if there is a better place to ask this 

I recently received a couple of Maxtor 250Gb drives from Amazon and wanted to use them in the MDD. I have tried Apple Drive setup a few times and it always sees them as 128Gb drives?

I am probably doing something incredibly stupid that the younger me knew how to do in 2002 but feel like a right newbie with this.

Any help, will of course be greatly appreciated.

Sorry for reviving this topic again... 

[supernova777]

what brand / connection type drives? (ide vs sata?)
im guessing u mean 250gb IDE ..

if u want to boot from the drives they have to be re-partitioned on a leopard or newer system to be "apple partition map" actually i think this partition type option is added to Disk Utility in 10.4.6+ (MBR vs APM vs GPT GUID)

if u have a tiger 10.4.6 or 10.5.x (leopard) install dvd, try booting that and using disk utility to wipe + repartition the drive back to Apple partition map (apm).

also jumpers can limit the size of a hard drive.. check that jumpers are not set to whatever that position would be (on some drives)

[acelera]

PATA drives, yep....

I was dreading the idea of having to use OSX for this. Guess I will have to find a firewire drive that's OS9 bootable, as I removed the "Superdrive" from my MDD to improve airflow.

Or I could just get a firewire case for it?

[supernova777]

sorry but removing the cd/dvd drive -- why??? do u have your cpu overclocked or something?
i replaced the fans inside my mdd psu with fractal design fans... ive had no problems with overheating
so i would never need to remove my cd/dvd drive.. external dvd firewire would work great i would imagine..
or scsi cdrom... or just put the old one  back temporarily (ie open the case and plug'er in without mounting it)

[acelera]

No, I have not overclocked it....

I wish I had the expertise to change the fans in the MDD including the MDD PSU. I am useless at electronics and soldering, really not my area at all.

The damn thing is so loud that I am totally paranoid about it blowing up after me putting all that work into the Digidesign chassis and cards

It really does stress me out so I have done all I could to improve airflow. Hope that explains... 

[mrhappy]

I was also wondering that...

Just to be clear... I was referring to posts from 'Mat' that seem to be 'truncated'.

Unfortunately for the rest of you, MY posts seem to be fine!

[Mat]

From Mat...

Why are all my old postings cut down, destroyed and unreadable?

Please let me know... no posts should be modified... please let me know if you are seeing posts Dis-appear/corrupt

DieHard, every of my postings in this thread is modified. They are all cut off at some point. See our discussion that is totally gone, when you tried to help me with my HD problems. Beside some posts that disapeared (I informed you last year), this is really strange, as no other persons postings in this thread seem to be cut, … and there are other old postings from me in other threads that are destroyed as well.

Updated by Diehard: I am so sorry Mat, we have had only 1 crash in our history back in 2013, and only a few users were affected and some posts got truncated during the restore.  By the time this was noticed, we would have lost even more posts by running another restore since more new posts were made after the restore...

[MacTron]

I recently received a couple of Maxtor 250Gb drives from Amazon and wanted to use them in the MDD. I have tried Apple Drive setup a few times and it always sees them as 128Gb drives?

Make sure there is no a "Capacity Limit" jumper ON. (some Maxtor drives have it)

[IIO]

i alsways found it a strange decision of apple when  they came out with the DA, and it had the faster RAM and a 64 bit PCI - but no hi cap ATA support.
when it came out there were already 200 gb disks available...

[acelera]

I recently received a couple of Maxtor 250Gb drives from Amazon and wanted to use them in the MDD. I have tried Apple Drive setup a few times and it always sees them as 128Gb drives?

Make sure there is no a "Capacity Limit" jumper ON. (some Maxtor drives have it)

Thank you! Will check when I am back home next week and let you know.