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supernova777

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powermac g3 or low end g4s (350-400mhz)
« on: November 24, 2013, 08:39:46 AM »

Well, that machine came originally with Mac OS 8.6. And that OS is a lot more stable and much much faster than 9.x

really? does this mean any powermac g3 performs faster running os 8.6 original os?
and using only software compatible with 8.6+? (staying away frm 9.04 completely?)



first b&w g3 was introduced January 5, 1999 with os 8.5.1
actually the only g3 to ship with 8.6 was the last one, the 450mhz as it shipped in june June 1, 1999
mac os 8.6 update is dated May 10, 1999
mac os 9 was introduced October 23, 1999

i suppose this means that g3s are best suited using software released:
-between these two dates or prior
-shortly therafter (and still backward compatible)

lets take a look at that
how do we find a listing of all software released in 1999?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1999_software
best i can find ^^^


seems this version was made for the b&w g3:
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/pro-tools-34-free
ProTools v3.4 Digital Audio Workstation software was released on CD-ROM free of charge by Digidesign as a promotional effort in 1997. It is an older but fully-functional 16-track version of the program. Pro Tools v3.4 was only approved for use with some PCI-based Power Macs
theres an article on this version but it looks like theres some type of html; error :
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep98/articles/digidesignprotools.html
but its dated september 1998.

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   It's free!
   Very useful on its own or in conjunction with a MIDI + Audio sequencer.
   A good way to learn the Pro Tools interface and to see what all the fuss is about.
cons

   Only works on PCI PowerMacs, not NuBus models.

also seems like a good match for cubase 4.0 or 3.7 vst?


i dont understand why but 3.7 seems to be dated september 1999 http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=274.0
and 4.0 dated sometime in 1998...http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct98/articles/cubase_vst4.html
almost a year earlier!~
steinberg cant count apparently;) does this have something to do with pc vs mac versions? is 3.7 for PC only?

ok, from the oct 98 article:
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Cubase VST/24 is Steinberg's new flagship sequencing package, and as the name suggests, it supports up to 24-bit audio recording at 96kHz -- as long as you have suitable 24-bit audio I/O hardware to accompany it, of course. Initially the Sonorus STUDI/O card (reviewed in last month's SOS) and Korg 1212 provide such hardware support for the 24-bit Cubase, and drivers for the Lexicon Studio system should also be available by the time you read this. However, the 24-bit software is only available for Macintosh at present, and use is really only recommended on a high-performance G3 Mac -- although Steinberg do not discount the use of non-G3 Macs, they do euphemistically state that Cubase VST/24 is 'optimised' for the G3 -- and reports abound of fairly sluggish performance on less well-specified Macs. Of course, you can buy the 24-bit version of the program and use it in non-24-bit mode if you wish. Although you might think this defeats the object of buying VST/24, because it is the top-of-the-range Cubase, the 24-bit version does offer two major advantages over the standard version, even when you're not using its 24-bit capabilities. It has the same more advanced notation and score printing functions as Cubase Score, and it also offers 96 audio channels, rather than the 64 of the standard Cubase.

so with all this in mind, seems to me powermac g3, for optimal performance + usability: should be running os8.5 or 8.6 (depending on mhz version) and either one of these apps;) cubase vst 4.0 or pro tools

also if u have a powermac g3 i would suggest reason 1.0 (no higher) and also ableton live v1.0
along with cubase 4.0 + these 2 programs i would think you could do some great things;0

g3 overclocking: http://www.dgweb.ca/g3/
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Re: powermac g3 or low end g4s (350-400mhz)
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2013, 09:33:06 AM »

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Well, that machine came originally with Mac OS 8.6. And that OS is a lot more stable and much much faster than 9.x
Mac Os 9.2.2 is equal or subtle faster than 8.6 in mi G4 Sawtooth, and 9.2.2 is at least equal stable and have some extra capabilities.
9.0.x are another history...
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Re: powermac g3 or low end g4s (350-400mhz)
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2015, 05:55:16 PM »

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Well, that machine came originally with Mac OS 8.6. And that OS is a lot more stable and much much faster than 9.x
Mac Os 9.2.2 is equal or subtle faster than 8.6 in my G4 Sawtooth, and 9.2.2 is at least equal stable and have some extra capabilities.
9.0.x are another history...

A brief history: Mac Os 8.6 was really a very good System Software version. The Sawtooth version was the last one, and the most bug free and the one that have wider amount of hardware compatible, it is may be good for some low end G3 (but my last G3 "died" a few days ago, so I can't test it...).
This great System version was followed by slow and buggy 9.0.x. Most of those bugs were solved with Mac Os 9.1. But we have to wait up to 9.2.x to recover the speed of 8.6.

And I have explained in several occasions that "Machine Specific" versions of Mac OS, NOTHING HAS TO DO WITH  provide accelerated enhanced performance but Machine compatibility ...

Is that still true on G3s? Do it still worth installing it on my G3 B&W 450 vs latest universal OS9? I used to install 9.1 an update to 9.2.1 and 9.2.2, and I am really curious about the supposed acceleration on system specific disk.

@Chris: Where is your post with the info about DAW supported by 8.6? I am too lazy to go old school daw today...


DAWs running OS 8http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=155.msg160#msg160

I wonder about benefits on using that software on those blue machines!

I have noticed there is a new MacOS8.6 version on downloads labeled as "universal"
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=806.0
Do it have a modern MacOS Rom iMic-mod to boot 8.6 on  newer-than-sawtooth machines?

Or is that the retail 8.6?


9.0.x are another history...

Worst Classic MacOS edition?
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Re: powermac g3 or low end g4s (350-400mhz)
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2015, 06:55:10 PM »

I would love to know where exactly ableton live seems to check os version, if u try to install ableton live 4.14 on mac os 8.6 it will say no... needs mac os 9.1+

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Re: powermac g3 or low end g4s (350-400mhz)
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2015, 08:21:07 AM »

Flight Simulator only works properly under Mac OS 8.6 and older. Under Mac OS 9.2.2 it keeps crashing. Darkseed and Prince of Persia show wrong palette.
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Re: powermac g3 or low end g4s (350-400mhz)
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2015, 10:14:15 AM »

hey guys...

so i have this idea to create an dead-easy to understand visual chart for easy reference of which apps are able to be run under mac os 8.6.. and which apps absolutely require a version of 9.x and will not run under mac os 8.6..

i also was wondering if people would know which apps that can be hacked or worked around to run under mac os 8.6 by installing carbon + changing files or using ResEdit etc..

im wondering how many lowend mac os 8.6 users we have here... ??
is this something u would find valuable? to have as a reference?

off the top of my head;


last versions to support mac os 8.6 (actual requirement): (updates higher then these versions require mac os 9.0 / 9.1 or 9.2.2)
Ableton Live 1.0 (req 8.6)
Reason 1.0 (req 8.6)
Logic Audio Platinum 4.8.1 (4.0 req 7.6.1+, and 5.0+ req 9.1+!!)
Cubase VST/32 5.0 (req 8.5+)
pro tools 5.01 FREE**
pro tools 5.01 LE**
digital performer 3.0 (req 8.5.1)
Opcode Studio Vision Pro 4.5.1 (req 7.6.1+)

** found this note saying that mac os 8.6 is only supported for ptfree on pci graphics macs (B&W g3, yikes g4 or before)
if u have an agp graphics card it requires 9.0+!! http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/os9/sw/macos501.html
and this applies to all versions of 5.0x - TDM, LE + FREE!

Nuendo was apparently never available for mac os 8.6 and only became available late for mac os 9 in 2001 according to this article
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Re: powermac g3 or low end g4s (350-400mhz)
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2015, 10:19:34 AM »

Flight Simulator only works properly under Mac OS 8.6 and older. Under Mac OS 9.2.2 it keeps crashing. Darkseed and Prince of Persia show wrong palette.
Maybe you were using HFS+ instead HFS on 9.2.2?

Probably some apps and DAWs are betters in a HFS 8.6 than on a HFS+ 9.2.2 in these low end G3s

Has been 8.6 hacked to allow post sawtooth machines?
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Re: powermac g3 or low end g4s (350-400mhz)
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2015, 02:40:09 PM »

Flight Simulator only works properly under Mac OS 8.6 and older. Under Mac OS 9.2.2 it keeps crashing. Darkseed and Prince of Persia show wrong palette.
Maybe you were using HFS+ instead HFS on 9.2.2?

Probably some apps and DAWs are betters in a HFS 8.6 than on a HFS+ 9.2.2 in these low end G3s

Has been 8.6 hacked to allow post sawtooth machines?
Both drives in HFS+. Prior to Mac OS 9.2.2 I had 9.2.1 and it didn't have the palette issues.
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