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[supernova777]

yes so what u want to do is set up the leopard machine to act as a fileserver that both the new mac + old mac can connect to

as mentioned by me many times i use a pc with nas4free operating system for this because it has many daemons.. supports windows SMB/CIFS which is what the new yosemite os will use.. and supports AFP via NETATALK which is compatible with all the old ppc machines

so i have a few shares which are pairs of drives in raid1 mirrors..
and i dump files there and then access them wherever i want to access them from + its been really great

[chokobo]

Yeah using an intermediary is cool (and what I'm doing now), but it would be even better if there was a way to do a more direct method, and I believe there just might be a way.

Reading your last posted reminded me that there was an app in OS9 land for networking to MSW land. It was called DAVE. It turns out that there is a version of it up on the Garden. 

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/dave-2

I've installed it, and I'm making some progress with it. This just might be the solution. The OS9 machine is showing up in Yosemite land! I'm still not able to access it yet--some sort of user account thing I didn't get right. But this just might be the way to file sharing in the 2015's. 

[supernova777]

ive had that working before but i stopped using it for some reason i forget why
i think it eventually asks for a serial or something

[chokobo]

I can haz makes U happi.

serial code: tfmi-arbm-dfie-mmbo-e7rh

 

[Protools5LEGuy]

Chokobo, why there is no one with 001 in G5? Is there any reason or difference?

TDM working is rare, but G5 and 001 are unicorns.

[supernova777]

Chokobo, why there is no one with 001 in G5? Is there any reason or difference?

TDM working is rare, but G5 and 001 are unicorns.

keep smokin that crack there buddy;)
because the digi 001 host card is 5v
and incompatible with slots on a g5 mac. DUH

[Protools5LEGuy]

keep smokin that crack there buddy;)

You want some? 

I know based on my last 15 years browsing on DUC that there were no one posting it AFAIK.

As I knew FW-800 couldn't boot OS9.

I have no G5, I've killed 2 G5 boxes with broken PSU to make room for mATX boards for hackintosh... I have no interest in using 001 with G5s... It is the similarities and differences between 001, AM-III and Mix core what makes me wonder things .

AFAIK Mix and AM-III wears same main DSP, the same AMCC chip. 001 has FLEX Altera instead.

Motorola 56000 family on TDM DSP.

Chokobo could know if PT 5 TDM software can be fooled to work with LE setups with LE channel count.
 

[chokobo]

There are a small number of G5 machines that have REAL PCI slots. The 1.6 G5 is one of those. They apparently made a few more of these later in the game. I had a Mix system in an aging Gigabit G4 when a buddy of mine told me that the cats at Disney were running their Mix systems in the 1.6 G5, because they had the non-X slots.

Based on this I picked up a used 1.6 G5, and switched over. Then I found it was really difficult to get plugins, and eventually caved and got a mini 4-core i7 (loved that machine!). I'm saying all this in an effort to show that you could actually get a G5 with PCI slots in which to run your Mix system--although it didn't do you much good! =8<>

LE, I really don't know much about the 001, 002, 003 boxes. They all came out after I left Digi, and during the time I was in school studying to become a biologist--read: didn't do music for 10 years! I'd still be doing that except I was crashed by a young woman driving a Honda Civic. Now I'm in recovery mode, and able to do music again (because I have some time). So yeah sorry I have no answer for you with regards to the 001 etc.

It could be because the G5's that had real PCI slots were rather weak in computing power compared to the machines that had X, and e slots. With a TDM rig it doesn't matter so much because all the heavy lifting is being done by the DSP cards. I know when I run any native plugins on the G5 it isn't that happy about it.

Some things run pretty good though. Albino3 seems to do pretty well. Better than Albino2 actually. I was real happy to see that Albino3 had PPC support--it works great on Intel too, although I think it is a discontinued soft synth.

Anyway, if you can't run much in the way of plugins you are likely to find another solution. That's probably the deal with the G5/001 story.

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With regards to networking. I'm seeing the OS9 machine from the Yosemite machine, but I can't log on. :/

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I currently have 7.01 of DP running on the PT|HD Accel system. I've been reading some really cool things about DP 7.2, and I'm likely to get that going (even though it means going to DAE . It's probably going to be the top out point of a G5 system. I think DP8 will still run on the PPC, but it won't do TDM.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec10/articles/dp-workshop-1210.htm

Damn if that doesn't look sexy!



I also learned today that newer versions of DP will let you Save As... to older formats, thus creating a way to move fives between the different systems. I was quite glad to see this feature. 

Another issue I'm running into with the HD Accel rig. It looks like PACE used their game with Digi when they did DAE 7. Lots of the plugs have to have new versions or they won't recognize the iLok. Sourcing these updates is a pain in the A$$!

[supernova777]

a buddy of mine told me that the cats at Disney were running their Mix systems in the 1.6 G5, because they had the non-X slots.

Details:    This model has three open full-length 33 MHz, 64-bit PCI slots -- http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.6.html

hearing this fact is totally screwing me up because when i had originally bought my g5
i got this model, the dual 1.8ghz which is also non-pci-x PCI (as u have described the 1.6) http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp_2.html

all of the g5 systems which have these non-PCI-X "PCI" slots also have only 4 ram slots
and the reverse is also true, all PCI-X systems have 8 ram slots

but yet the delta 1010LT card that i have, that is fully "G5 compatible" is not compatible with these "non-pci-x" models, not because of the "mhz" speed of the slots, and also not because of the voltage (3.3v vs 5v) - but rather because of the pci controller chip on the motherboard itself...

the result? the card "worked" but produced some audible static noise every 5-10 seconds.. rendering it unusable.

is it the voltage? are these slots on these non-pci-x "PCI" g5 systems really 5v conventional PCIslots? exactly the same as the g4 slots?
if so, there would be many many many more "g4 only" cards that would work in these systems......

i believe that this is not the case.. i beleive these slots are 3.3v powered
and that the mixpluss cards are indeed universal cards.. which means the neccessity of using them with these "PCI" g5's is not required..

either way.. im confused.. and i give up lol

[supernova777]

re: networking/filesharing.
u need to use a server daemon powered by netatalk
http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/
that will solve all your problems

www.nas4free.com is what i use.. and its a dream come true.
u can set it up on any pc.. throw in a few hard drives.. setup your raid arrays.. and u configure it all via http:// like u would a router..
and then it just works fantastically.. from windows.. or mac (new or old)
because it supports many different technologies to access the same files.
(ftp/smb/afp/http etc etc)

how many times do i have to reccommend this before u guys listen + see the light?? whoever tries it first will be doing backflips + freaking out that its a dream come true.. watch

solves all problems to do with backup / redundancy / accessibility / compatibility  all in one

my file server has air cooled drives.. 6 of them.. setup in 3 shares..
modern atx hardware cases are great for this as they have suport for lots of fans

like ive explained.. because of the native support for AFP.. i can drag mac files to + from the server without worrying about macbinary or stuffit. all resource forks + data forks are maintained via AFP.
its *Seamless integration* for legacy macs.
TRY IT. U WILL LOVE IT.
THANK ME LATER.

best thing is u can run it on a pentium III or pentium 4 aswell
and as long as u have a few gb of ram, and a gigabyte network connection it will run great. ive noticed the more ram u have the faster your network transfers to + from the box.

[devils_advisor]

can you attach your config file's for netatalk ?

[supernova777]

I know based on my last 15 years browsing on DUC that there were no one posting it AFAIK.

yes because the hardware is incompatible. so, there is no g5/001 story.. and never will be. its a 5v card, and it does not work in any g5. just like many many many other pci cards will never be able to work in a g5. end of story. please dont talk about this + confuse the hell out of some people for no reason!!!!

As I knew FW-800 couldn't boot OS9.

u are just addicted to trying to propose crazy ideas and have them be shattered
because of your "downgrade fw800 thread" lol u will always + forever be on here trying to come up with the next 15,000 view thread lol

[Knezzen]

I have a Xserve with an Xserve RAID connected to it running Mac OS X Leopard.
This is what I can recommend, but it's not as "cheap" as Chris's solution, but I like it more (having tried both). The Xserve RAID has 14 1TB drives set to RAID5 with two hot spares.
The two drives in the Xserve are mirrored (RAID1).

The setup is currently our file server, web server, Time Machine server for the OS X
Mac's and backup machine for the Mac OS 9 machines running Retrospect to make everything work automatically.

Works like a dream

[supernova777]

tiger or leopard should be fine for being compatible with mac os 9.. but netatalk has some benefits i think.. when it comes to compatibility with yosemite/mtn lion and more recent mac os x versions. all i know is nas4free is the bomb easy to config.. and also modern pc hardware with sata3 spec  + DDR3 1600+ ram = smokin fast file server (compared to an xserve)

14 drive slots is insane tho..

knez: are u sure u tried nas4free? i think u tried freenas? they are similar but nto exactly the same.
close to it.. but i had issues with freenas.

[supernova777]

can you attach your config file's for netatalk ?

i havent used it with mac os x... only with nas4free.. and its built in already.. no config neccessary.

[supernova777]

re: the pci slots thing..

check this page out on the tc electronics site

http://support.tcelectronic.com/entries/20937498-Compatibility-between-Apple-desktops-and-PowerCore-hardware

they advise against using these 4 ram slots "PCI" systems if u are to be using more then one dsp card..

If you wish to use more than 1 DSP card, we can not recommend using the PowerCore Element / PowerCore PCI with the following models:

    Single 1.8 GHz G5 with PCI-slots (September 2004 low-end model)
    Dual 1.8 GHz G5 with PCI-slots (June 2004 low-end model)
    Dual 2.0 GHz G5 with PCI-slots (April 2005 low-end model)

interestingly enuff they dont mention the single 1.6 ghz g5.
but i think they are eluding to a limited pci bandwidth on these machines?? which cant be good for an HD Pro tools rig either!!!!!!
so im surprised that there isnt a similar advisement against using multiple digi dsp cards put forward by digidesign.

digi's page on this: http://archive.digidesign.com/compato/osx/g5/

The G5's PCI slots accommodate 3.3 volt-powered PCI cards only, compared to the G4's PCI slots which supported mixed voltage cards (5.0 V, 12 V, or 3.3 V). While some of Digidesign's PCI cards are compatible with both 5.0 V or 3.3 V PCI slots, others require 5.0 V-capable PCI slots and will not fit in the PCI slots of a Power Mac G5.

All Pro Tools|HD core cards, HD Process cards, and HD Accel cards are fully compatible with the Power Mac G5.

Although MIX Core and MIX Farm cards **are 5.0 or 3.3 volt-powered PCI cards**, other changes in the Power Mac G5's PCI architecture have reduced performance of these cards to the point where Digidesign cannot support them in a Power Mac G5.

so it seems clear that the mix core + farm cards do not reach their full potential when used in a g5!!! be it pci or pci-x models!!! but they dont say this for the hd core + process cards... they are deemed "fully compatible" including the hd accell..

then they list the incompatible cards with g5s:

Digidesign PCI Cards Incompatible with Power Mac G5 due to 5.0 volt limitation:
    Digi 001
    Pro Tools|24 system cards, in Pro Tools|24 or Pro Tools|24 MIX systems:
        d24 (core card on Pro Tools|24 systems)
        DSP Farm
    Pro Tools|24 MIX system card:
    MIX I/O
    Audiomedia III (Toolbox)
    Pro Tools Project PCI
    Project II
    Disk I/O (Pro Tools III Core card)
    SampleCell II
    SCSI64 Kit (included ATTO Express PCI-DC card is not compatible)

another pt is that tc electronics page also says:

PCI-X expansion slots:

PCI-X is 100% backwards compatible with existing PCI cards as long as the PCI card meets PCI 2.1 or later. PowerCore PCI meets this requirement.

[supernova777]

The 4.51 SV file doesn't want to come down in a version that unstuffs successfully.

its probably because the file was created on an OSX system.. and u are trying to decompress it on 9.. theres no way to know for sure with so many different compression/disk image file formats all sharing the same file extensions...

try this, let me know if it works. u should be able to decode from macbinary with stuffit expander + mount with disk copy (both in os9 aswell as osx)

[chokobo]

Back in the day...

When I bought the G5 all I knew was that the 1.6 had the same slots as a G4. I didn't research it further than my friends info--he was pretty much alway spot on with stuff like this, so I grew to trust his word.

Recently though having been reading about this stuff there's all kinds of wild stories out there! I've read the same things you've said about the 4 ram slot models and such. I couldn't really tell you either way. I do know that the Digi Mix system worked in the 1.6, and the Digi HD Accel PCI-X works in it too.

I have read that folks with these machines have had troubles with USB devices. This sort of makes sense because USB demands the attention of the CPU, but that's a whole lot of attention! I haven't seen this with my system, but then I may not be pushing it to the same level that they did. I have yet to develop the 192 track style. I grew up with two cassette decks bounced back and forth--I know about commitment. 

The SV 4.51 stuff would show up as a single 32K file. So maybe a header would make it, and then fail. I'm convinced it had nothing to do with the DL machine (I tried it on a bunch of them). Thankfully my Gigabit machine had SV on a drive, and as it turns out 4.22 works much better with the Mix system than 4.51.

Probably because I had great access to the Digi stuff (I never paid very much for it) I didn't bother with the TC stuff--because I would have to pay significantly more--and by that on an order of ten to twenty times. Back in the day Digi wanted the employees to own the gear. You actually got to buy it for parts cost. I think the NuBuss AudioMedia card I got before I worked at Digi cost more than any PT system I ever bought. 

I don't remember the numbers, but it was seriously low. You could buy one system per year, and everyone bought as much as they could, sold it the next year to buy a bigger system. Do this for a few years and before you know it you have a really awesome system. 

That system worked really well when Digi was a bunch of musicians. Once the muggles moved in the company culture went to shit. I didn't last long in that environment. My friends that did got really burnt out. You talk to the people that were there in the early days and compare with those in the later days and you wouldn't even recognize them as being from the same company. But that's probably true everywhere.

Anyway it is interesting that they don't point out the 1.6 in that list. Maybe it is a different animal.  As to low bandwidth, on the Digi rig that wouldn't really matter because of TDM. The data is passed along the tops of the cards on their own buss rather than using the computer's buss.

I don't know if it was the fault of the G5 that they didn't support them. The test grid for compatibility was huge, so wherever they could cross a machine off the list and not test it they did so. There were a lot of machines, and bits that ran fine, but were never qualified (officially).

As to the networking. Right now the G5 can see everything. I don't want to have yet another noise making heat generator fired up! But if I do what you suggest sounds like a plan. Looks like I'm going to have to learn more about networking. =8<>  Do we ever get to do music anymore? 

Oh and...

May the Forth be with you, always.

[chokobo]

DP 7.24 showed up so I had to install it. While the Motu website states that you need an 8 version of DAE I decided to try it with 7.4.2cs4 of DAE (since that's what is already on the G5).

Well it seems to be working quite well. I've only done some basic tests, but it may be good enough to go with it. Digi has a version of 8.01cs2 for DL on their website. I have that, but unless I run into something that's an issue I may stay with 7.4.2cs4. One of the problems I keep running into is the plugins that work on older DAEs seem to expire on the newer versions. Also, I believe (but don't know for sure) that DAE 8.0.3 is Intel only. If it is not then it is the last PPC version released into the Wild. And of course OS X 10.5.8 is the version of the OS on which you can run this stuff.

This is a really troubling issue, as my available TDM plugins is being reduced to a level where I'm just better off running DP natively on an Intel box. I'm going to keep hunting around for PPC TDM/HD plugins though. I'm hoping that there's enough out there to make it worth it. Otherwise this machine will end up becoming a tracking machine, and then things will get moved over to the Intel Mac for mixing.

It's a non-audio thing, but the themes in DP7 and DP8 really help.

[MacTron]

Warning: this is Mac Os 9 forum and this thread is going too offtopic.