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[LoFizle]

O guys are all about abandoned os9 apps, what about sample cd's?
Like the akai, and e-my stuff! Roland, floppy images ect. I have a a few things.

[MacTron]

Idk if you guys got this, but I have the Tc native bundle. That has this super dope LoFi plugin. One of the best. Not sure if it works under os9 though. I'll have to check.

Do you have the TC Works - Native Bundle 3.1 version for Mac Os 9?
Does the sidechaining compressor work?

[LoFizle]

Idk if you guys got this, but I have the Tc native bundle. That has this super dope LoFi plugin. One of the best. Not sure if it works under os9 though. I'll have to check.

Do you have the TC Works - Native Bundle 3.1 version for Mac Os 9?
Does the sidechaining compressor work?

Not sure about the side chain, but I purchased the bundle. So I have it for os9 OS X and windows. I just need to grab my serial and manual from my pops house.

[supernova777]

from what i understand the pci-x *IS* the pci version - its the same. and it does work in mac os 9.... assuming u have the software that supports it - which i now have.

from what i read the samplecell II card *IS* still supported in HD systems.

[Protools5LEGuy]

from what i understand the pci-x *IS* the pci version - its the same. and it does work in mac os 9.... assuming u have the software that supports it - which i now have.

The HD cards have a long 64 bits PCI connector, but it works in 32bits. That is the reason they works in Hackintosh with 32 bits PCI ports. Also, the PCIX from those late G5 is 32 bits.

All G4-G5 HD cards are 32 bits and can work on PCIExpress to PCI (or PCIX) Magma Chassis MacPros. Are Digi supported. That and the hacked 8,9 and 10 PT HD versions have made 95% Mac owners to go Magma/Hackintosh way.  I know a great studio in Madrid that were using OS9 HD5 with a Control24 till 2008. Then Hackintoshed the HD5, bought an SSL board...Now they are HDX and thinking on moving to new Nuendo with Yamaha mixers.

MixCore TDM is other beast. We know they shine on OS9. Almost unlimited DSP with setups like the Knezzen one. But it stopped been supported earlier, in Panther or Tiger. And no MacIntel TDM version ever...

I use elastic audio from PT 7.4 daily since a lot of time. TDM users have Beat Detective as an alternative. Do we have X-Form Algorithm on OS9? I can do basic TCE (Time compression - expansion) with LE, but it sound worst and is harder to use.

[supernova777]

The HD cards have a long 64 bits PCI connector, but it works in 32bits. That is the reason they works in Hackintosh with 32 bits PCI ports. Also, the PCIX from those late G5 is 32 bits.

not true
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1305

they are all 64bit.. the pci only (4 ram slot) g5's have 64bit 33*MHZ* slots (same as a g4)
the pci-x g5 have a combination of 64bit 100mhz + 133mhz

[Protools5LEGuy]

The HD cards have a long 64 bits PCI connector, but it works in 32bits. That is the reason they works in Hackintosh with 32 bits PCI ports. Also, the PCIX from those late G5 is 32 bits.

not true
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1305

they are all 64bit.. the pci only (4 ram slot) g5's have 64bit 33*MHZ* slots (same as a g4)
the pci-x g5 have a combination of 64bit 100mhz + 133mhz

YES,  BUT THE CARDS ARE 32 BITS AND 33 MHZ JUST AS THE TDM ONES

[supernova777]

does this look iike a 32 bit card? no

[Protools5LEGuy]

does this look iike a 32 bit card? no

BUT IT IS. Research and trust me.

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/faq/en419131?q=pro+tools+10_1

I know the HD cards works on standard PCI on hacks. Not the long ones.

[supernova777]

i dont trust you;) its 64bit card thats *downward Compatible* with 32bit slots. If it was a 32bit card they would not need to have put a 64bit connector on it.

this is a 32 bit card;)

[supernova777]

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar02/articles/pronotes0302.asp

The next big question concerns what is involved in upgrading. Firstly, you'll probably want to know which bits of existing gear you can use. Unlike all the previous new TDM PCI cards, the HD Core and HD Process cards are completely incompatible with existing boards. This means there's no mixing and matching with MIX farms, for example. On the brighter side, older audio interfaces can still be used in conjunction with the new 192I/O and 96I/O for 44/48kHz work. Each of the new units has a 'legacy' port on the back for connecting older interfaces such as the 888/24s.

Inevitably with this kind of upgrade, there will be niggles regarding compatibility of peripheral computer components. The new boards are 64-bit PCI cards and, although they will run in 32-bit PCI host machines, you'll need a recent machine to use the high sample rates and track counts. If you run with your cards in an expansion chassis, this will certainly need to be upgraded. Finally, if you want to upgrade in order to benefit from those extra tracks and sample rates, remember that both of these have a significant impact on your storage, in terms of space and performance. In three words: more drives please.

[Protools5LEGuy]

The new boards are 64-bit PCI cards and, although they will run in 32-bit PCI host machines, you'll need a recent machine to use the high sample rates and track counts.

Translated: Long cards push too much weight on 32 bit connector. Let's make it 64-bit long to make a placebo effect on TDM users to buy the new 96-192 design. We will never implement the 64 bit until PT10 and PT11, but that is a secret that nobody has to know. We have to keep selling stuff! We are a corporation !

Let's make some money!!!

Blue 96 IO sound worst than 888 24 Ask engineers around you. 192 IO has a better design in electronics so has better analog Inputs and Outputs or something that makes PRO to "tolerate" the AD/DA from stock 192 I/O.

Those I/O ports from the 96 and 192 can handle apogee converters modules I think (?)

[supernova777]

64 bit cards is not the same as 64bit processing
mactrons seritek card is 64bits
my Acard 6885M ide ata133 card is 64bits
these cards just have higher + Wider bandwidth for throughput...
Which is why they can record at a higher samplerate
they dont require a 64bit os
u are confused!!!

[MacTron]

I know the HD cards works on standard PCI on hacks. Not the long ones.

The 64 bits PCI was unusual on PCs.
... and the "hacks" are pcs ...

[supernova777]

protoolsleguy

**ALL** 64 bit cards work on 32bit short pci slots with the 64bit part hanging out but at *reduced bandwidth* reduced to 32bit size similar to how most ram ddr400 will downclock to ddr333 etc

[LoFizle]

Haha you guys are WAY over my head now.

All I can input is, I have a freind who just built a hacontosh, and he's raveing about how dope it is. Said I should build one. I'm building a os9 system instead.

Also, PT guy, if you like the Digi Pitch time thing, the Serato is like 100X better. Imvho! If you haven't messed with it, mess with it. It's insane DOPE! No artifacts at all. You can do some pretty extreme strachs before you get that robot rubber band sound, and even then it's sounds good. Like I said IMO way better than the digi.

I may have that as a os9 plug two. I knownI have it, just don't knownifnit works.

[supernova777]

probably requires a tdm system, but le guy has only LE .. i also only have LE + M-powered currently. knezzen is the tdm wizzard

[Knezzen]

HD vs MIX:
HD has more powerful DSPs (more TDM plugins for your pleasure)
HD supports 32bit floating point audio, wheres MIX supports "regular" 24bit audio at the most depending on the interface.
HD supports up to 192khz sample frequency depending on the interface you're using (MIX supports up to 48khz)
HD supports 128 voices compared to the MIX's 64 voices.

That's pretty much all there is to it

And of course, the MIX cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 4.3 under Classic Mac OS to Pro Tools TDM 6.4.2 running on OS X Panther.

The HD cards where supported from Pro Tools TDM 5.3 in Mac OS 9 to Pro Tools 10 on OS X.

[IIO]

HD supports 32bit floating point audio, wheres MIX supports "regular" 24bit audio at the most depending on the interface.

that must be a rumor.

when i recall right, mix was 8.24 (24 bits with 8 overflow bits) and HD is dual 8.24

up to HD accel version 8 all protools then remained using dual 8.24.

not before 9.0 (HDX and HD Native) they switched to 32 floating point, because at that time they also switched to 64 float for the summing engine.

[mrhappy]

So is it possible to use 'Mix' cards AND 'HD' cards in the same system running 5.3 on OS 9?? Was there ever any kind of 'ribbon connector' to 'flex connector' adaptor??? I'm certainly NOT holding my breath on THAT one but who knows!!

This whole 5.3 thing is interesting and I've never heard much about it. It seems that most people went from PT5 right to an OS X version, skipping over this 5.3 'mix and match' release!

I was kinda surprised to read that my Digi 7 slot chassis will run HD cards!!

I must say that I've been having a LOT of fun with my 'new' OS9/ PT5.1.3/expansion chassis rig... Running 5 'Mix' cards (I have more cards but need a ribbon cable with more nodes!!)

If those HD-pci cards are a 'drop and swap' with PT5.3, then a chassis full would be some MAJOR OS 9/PT horsepower!!!