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Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« on: October 29, 2014, 06:00:52 AM »
I am subscribed to the OS9 group of LowEndMac and this came today from Cameron Kaiser

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This version has an important overhaul of its internal TLS/SSL system,
including support for certificates signed with SHA-256 (the cause of many
-8182 errors on certain sites) and TLSv1 Server Name Indication (which will
reduce certificate mismatches). In addition, TLSv1 is now the preferred
way for accessing HTTPS sites due to intrinsic security weaknesses in SSL.
SSLv2 is now disabled by default and will be removed completely in a future
version, and SSLv3 is considered deprecated and will be disabled by default
in a future version. It remains only as a fallback for sites that cannot
negotiate TLSv1.
 
As a future-proofing mechanism, certificates signed with algorithms Classilla
does not yet support are now non-fatal errors and can be overridden. However,
overriding any certificate can cause you to inadvertently send data to a
malicious third party successfully masquerading as a trusted site, especially
if you are on a network you don't trust. This should be much less necessary
in this version and should be only used as a last resort. A certificate that
fails a *known* signing algorithm is still always fatal. Combined with the
changes above, Classilla now has by far the most advanced encryption suite
available on the classic Mac OS.
 
In addition, Byblos, the Classilla page rewriting engine, has been expanded to
allow scripts to run from Documents:Byblos: (so your old scripts don't get
blown away with an update) and new built-in scripts are added for Bing and
DuckDuckGo. There are also fixes to layout, user agents and mail-news, and
updated root certificates.
 
TenFourFox is taking up a disproportionate portion of my time, and because it
is the browser I use almost all the time, it gets first priority. But I still
want to work on Classilla because I love the Classic Mac OS, and I hope that
I'll have sufficient time to continue to work on it in the future. For now,
this will fix many of the major problems with accessing sites and still keep
OS 9 users truckin'. You can get it from the usual place:
 
   http://www.classilla.org/
 
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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2014, 06:07:02 AM »
I wish help would come to Cameron to enhance Classilla

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Classilla isn't going to get there without your help
Classilla sure needs users: users appear in server logs, and remind site owners that the whole world isn't using Windows or Internet Explorer. But to continue to advance, Classilla needs contributors -- and you can help out even if you don't know the first thing about developing for OS 9.

Can't code in C or OS 9, but you know a lot about HTML and CSS? Become a distiller and help turn malfunctions into test cases, so that coders can devise specific, targetted fixes. Find out how on the Classilla Wiki.

Know enough C/C++ to be dangerous? Become a coder and help integrate Mozilla patches into Classilla, or even write completely new features. You don't even have to know much about Mac programming to be helpful -- if you know CodeWarrior at all, come help out. Find out how on the Classilla Wiki.
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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2014, 06:20:49 AM »
Wonderful! Going to install this as soon as I get home! :)

EDIT:
Just updated (writing this from Classilla 9.3.3) and it feels a bit more speedy than 9.3.2 on this 1GHZ TiBook :)
« Last Edit: October 29, 2014, 10:24:53 AM by Knezzen »

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 09:16:16 PM »
I find that Classilla 9.3.3 really has trouble loading web pages.

I have several AOL email accounts and when i launch the AOL web site it is just a garbled mess.

It is also the same with many other web pages.

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 11:06:42 PM »
I find that Classilla 9.3.3 really has trouble loading web pages.

I have several AOL email accounts and when i launch the AOL web site it is just a garbled mess.

It is also the same with many other web pages.

Hi MacGuy,
  Have you tried comparisons between version 9.2.3 (which I understood was the last version they did before going mainly for the "mobile" web) and version 9.3.3.?

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 11:39:29 PM »
You can change the browser user agent and get around the mobile thing. Using an older version of the browser is not recommended.

From the Classilla FAQ:
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You can change the user agent that Classilla sends to servers by going to Preferences and changing the setting in the User Agent panel. However, this may enable features Classilla may not fully support yet. This setting is sticky and persists until you change it, even if you navigate to a different site or quit the browser. If you start the browser with a custom user agent still selected, you will receive a warning.

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 05:48:28 AM »
Hi MacGuy,
  Have you tried comparisons between version 9.2.3 (which I understood was the last version they did before going mainly for the "mobile" web) and version 9.3.3.?

like knez said .. using an older version would be illogical.. the
browser's default configuration is all that has been changed.. (well thats not totally correct because development has moved forward by the developer.. improving the functionality + speed, which is why u dont want to use an older version)

u can change the user agent in the preferences of the browser in 1 second.
very easy to set back.

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2015, 04:13:58 AM »
You can change the browser user agent and get around the mobile thing. Using an older version of the browser is not recommended.


What user agent do you all use?
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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2015, 09:28:01 AM »
Classilla :)

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2021, 01:03:09 PM »
There's a new version of Classilla out! Version 9.3.4b

Haven't found any information about what's new though...

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2021, 02:09:32 PM »
It would seem the main change is the ability to link Crypto Ancienne in order to gain TLS 1.2 support. It will do native OS9 users no good however because it involves running the two simultaneously in order to use Crypto Ancienne as a TLS proxy. That cannot happen under OS9's cooperative multitasking. That makes it usable (for us) only in Classic.

The BIG news is that Cameron Kaiser is finally throwing in the towel as a one-man browser developer. He posted a long, detailed explanation on the 10-4 Dev blog explaining the reasons. He left out one, which is that there are only 24 hours in a day, he has a real job and he would really prefer to stay married to his wife. So 10-4-Fox is also EOL. There will be other discussion on that, I'm sure.

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2021, 02:16:05 AM »
http://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2021/03/the-final-official-release-of-classilla.html

Version 9.3.4b.
With Tenon Power MachTen it support TSL 1.2, but can somebody say how to buy Power MachTen? I have emailed, but no answer.
I bought my first new Mac when OS X 10.1 released. And I bought that Mac because it had Mac OS 9 too. And I bought my first 68k Mac when Apple stopped PPC Macs.

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2021, 10:57:43 AM »
Version 9.3.4b.
With Tenon Power MachTen it support TSL 1.2, but can somebody say how to buy Power MachTen? I have emailed, but no answer.

https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/machten-4
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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2021, 11:10:15 AM »
Version 9.3.4b.
With Tenon Power MachTen it support TSL 1.2, but can somebody say how to buy Power MachTen? I have emailed, but no answer.
https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/machten-4

But still needed activation code.
I bought my first new Mac when OS X 10.1 released. And I bought that Mac because it had Mac OS 9 too. And I bought my first 68k Mac when Apple stopped PPC Macs.

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2021, 11:48:19 PM »
It would seem the main change is the ability to link Crypto Ancienne in order to gain TLS 1.2 support. It will do native OS9 users no good however because it involves running the two simultaneously in order to use Crypto Ancienne as a TLS proxy. That cannot happen under OS9's cooperative multitasking. That makes it usable (for us) only in Classic.

The BIG news is that Cameron Kaiser is finally throwing in the towel as a one-man browser developer. He posted a long, detailed explanation on the 10-4 Dev blog explaining the reasons. He left out one, which is that there are only 24 hours in a day, he has a real job and he would really prefer to stay married to his wife. So 10-4-Fox is also EOL. There will be other discussion on that, I'm sure.

I want a crack at Crypto Ancienne. I know my PB G4 can compile using CodeWarrior 7.1 and the toolkits per instructions from Kaiser. but there is another method. One that involves running Linux as a Proxy server under the proxy server software: Browservice. it is designed to allow older browsers, including OS 9 to browse the internet. According to the developer, sound will come in a later version.

Do a search for Browservice. It was real easy to set up and Classila, IE5.1.7 runs it like a charm. You type in the URL bar: http://your ip address: port - then another search bar appears under it which then translates from the proxy. I was able to go to Wikipedia, and other sites. Its pretty nifty, but I am still going to tackle TLS 1.2 under classila. I have all the toolkits and codewarrior to do it.

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2021, 11:49:50 PM »
It would seem the main change is the ability to link Crypto Ancienne in order to gain TLS 1.2 support. It will do native OS9 users no good however because it involves running the two simultaneously in order to use Crypto Ancienne as a TLS proxy. That cannot happen under OS9's cooperative multitasking. That makes it usable (for us) only in Classic.

The BIG news is that Cameron Kaiser is finally throwing in the towel as a one-man browser developer. He posted a long, detailed explanation on the 10-4 Dev blog explaining the reasons. He left out one, which is that there are only 24 hours in a day, he has a real job and he would really prefer to stay married to his wife. So 10-4-Fox is also EOL. There will be other discussion on that, I'm sure.

Over at the macrumors OS 9 forum and PPC Forum, many are at work trying to keep TenFourFox going. Even some, like me are looking into classila and Crypto Ancienne.

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Re: Classilla 9.3.3! New version October 2014!
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2021, 11:56:01 PM »
Version 9.3.4b.
With Tenon Power MachTen it support TSL 1.2, but can somebody say how to buy Power MachTen? I have emailed, but no answer.
https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/machten-4

But still needed activation code.

Activation code works - the 2nd to 3rd comment from below on the site.

 


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