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[CMW]

Does anyone know for certain if the 888/24 interface is compatible with Nubus? There is a lot of conflicting information on the internet. Some people say that it does not work - other people say that it does work. Pro Tools 4.2 supported Nubus and the 888/24 interface, but do they work together?

I've also recently learned that with DAE 3.4.2cs1, Pro Tools 4.3 can be run in OS 9.1 on a Nubus system. If anyone has this file, let me know. It's frustrating because it was available on Avid's legacy-download archive last year, but the links no longer work.

Does anyone know if Sample Cell I and II cards can be used concurrently in a chassis with a PowerPC Mac? I remember reading that original SC I cards from 1990 had to be modified to be used in Quadra machines, but don't know if that is true. Will an original SC I card work in tandem with an SC II in a chassis, with a PowerMac 7100?

P.S. I'm also looking for a copy of the original Sample Cell I editor if anyone has it.

Thanks for reading!

[ssp3]

I've also recently learned that with DAE 3.4.2cs1, Pro Tools 4.3 can be run in OS 9.1 on a Nubus system. If anyone has this file, let me know. It's frustrating because it was available on Avid's legacy-download archive last year, but the links no longer work.

There you go. But, IMO, OS9 will be too heavy for NuBus.

[Pushpull76]

Does anyone know for certain if the 888/24 interface is compatible with Nubus? There is a lot of conflicting information on the internet. Some people say that it does not work - other people say that it does work. Pro Tools 4.2 supported Nubus and the 888/24 interface, but do they work together?

I've also recently learned that with DAE 3.4.2cs1, Pro Tools 4.3 can be run in OS 9.1 on a Nubus system. If anyone has this file, let me know. It's frustrating because it was available on Avid's legacy-download archive last year, but the links no longer work.

Does anyone know if Sample Cell I and II cards can be used concurrently in a chassis with a PowerPC Mac? I remember reading that original SC I cards from 1990 had to be modified to be used in Quadra machines, but don't know if that is true. Will an original SC I card work in tandem with an SC II in a chassis, with a PowerMac 7100?

P.S. I'm also looking for a copy of the original Sample Cell I editor if anyone has it.

Thanks for reading!

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/digidesign-pro-tools

"The 888/24 can also be used for 16‑bit recording with PCI‑based PTIII systems, although it requires Pro Tools 4.1 software and won't work with the ADAT interface or with NuBus‑based Pro Tools systems."

The first software release that works with 888/24 interfaces is PT4.1 ; the related Dae/Dsi version is 3.2

[Knezzen]

Indeed. 16bit only, so you might as well save some money and get a 888 if you don't already have a 888/24 laying around.

[smilesdavis]

oh someone is going down my rabbit hole.

i got the leaked pro tools that can supposedly do this but i need to find the motivation to do it

my basic apple system skills pre osx are horrible but i got the hardware to do it: 8100/110 with G3/500 upgrade. full digi nubus rig yada yada

motivate me or pm me and we can walk thru this together

[Pushpull76]

oh someone is going down my rabbit hole.

i got the leaked pro tools that can supposedly do this but i need to find the motivation to do it

my basic apple system skills pre osx are horrible but i got the hardware to do it: 8100/110 with G3/500 upgrade. full digi nubus rig yada yada

motivate me or pm me and we can walk thru this together

Do you have an expansion chassis?

[CMW]

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There you go. But, IMO, OS9 will be too heavy for NuBus.

Thanks for the file, ssp3! I have a G3 accelerator. Do you know if Pro Tools 4.2 authorization disks will work for Pro Tools 4.3? I've got a CD-ROM of  4.2 and 4.3, but authorizer floppies only for the former. I'm not in a position where I can set up the system yet. I'm asking a lot of questions because I plan on archiving this software and getting it into the downloads probably early next year.

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/digidesign-pro-tools

"The 888/24 can also be used for 16‑bit recording with PCI‑based PTIII systems, although it requires Pro Tools 4.1 software and won't work with the ADAT interface or with NuBus‑based Pro Tools systems."

The first software release that works with 888/24 interfaces is PT4.1 ; the related Dae/Dsi version is 3.2

I read that too. There were a slew of old posts on the Digidesign forums claiming that the 888/24s would work with Nubus, but many more claiming incompatibility. I wasn't sure if the SoundonSound article was mistaken or not. I remember reading that there were special drivers that would allow them to work. Part of it is that Pro Tools 4.2 was one of the first versions to support 24-bit, and the last official release to support Nubus. So I figured that many people just assumed that Nubus support ended when 24-bit support began.  I didn't even know that it was possible to run Pro Tools 4.3 on a Nubus system until about a week ago. Some people were emphatic in their assertion that 4.2 was the last version to support Nubus.

Indeed. 16bit only, so you might as well save some money and get a 888 if you don't already have a 888/24 laying around.

Does this mean 888/24 will work in a Nubus setup? I've got three 888/24 interfaces, but no original 16-bit 888s. Shouldn't the Pro Tools 888/24 be able to dither to accommodate the 16-bit Nubus card? Have you ever tried to use an 888/24 in a Nubus system? If so, what were the results? What exactly causes it to not work?

oh someone is going down my rabbit hole.

i got the leaked pro tools that can supposedly do this but i need to find the motivation to do it

my basic apple system skills pre osx are horrible but i got the hardware to do it: 8100/110 with G3/500 upgrade. full digi nubus rig yada yada

motivate me or pm me and we can walk thru this together

Cool! I recently got a bunch of Nubus Pro Tools hardware. Two chassis (only one PPC ECI card, though) and several disk I/O and DSP cards. My hang-up in setting up the system is that I want to try and backup the hard drive first. Also, adjusting the slot IDs in the chassis is going to be a pain. It has the expansion view software, which is hard to find. I'm looking for about two or three more Sample Cells before I load and rack it. A Nuverb, MacProteus or another ECI card would be nice, too! How many plugins do you have for your system? I'm looking into cloning the drive with a NuBus SCSI card to future-proof the system and open the possibility of sharing the drive contents.

[smilesdavis]

oh someone is going down my rabbit hole.

i got the leaked pro tools that can supposedly do this but i need to find the motivation to do it

my basic apple system skills pre osx are horrible but i got the hardware to do it: 8100/110 with G3/500 upgrade. full digi nubus rig yada yada

motivate me or pm me and we can walk thru this together

Do you have an expansion chassis?

About 8

Macproteus is mac ii territory and rare (and pointless)
Same with the lex, i got two tdm adapters for it but i never
Could get ahold of the card. They are super buggy and
Expensive. Id love to have them and the macdsp card as well
Nevertheless

[ssp3]

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There you go. But, IMO, OS9 will be too heavy for NuBus.

Thanks for the file, ssp3! I have a G3 accelerator.

You're welcome!
* Note to others - I think I have complete DAE/DSI archive that is not stored away somewhere in boxes, so if you need any of those, let me know.

Do you know if Pro Tools 4.2 authorization disks will work for Pro Tools 4.3? I've got a CD-ROM of  4.2 and 4.3, but authorizer floppies only for the former.

I think they will. Better ask Knezzen or someone who still uses that system. I've forgotten almost everything about ProTools compatibility 

BUT! Unless you plan to run 'collector grade' PT4.x.x, you don't need authorizer floppies. Almost every version of 4.x.x up to 4.3.2 have been <redacted> in one way or the other.
(The only tricky part was getting 4.0.1 authorized on 68k using that elegant snap** method).

I'm not in a position where I can set up the system yet. I'm asking a lot of questions because I plan on archiving this software and getting it into the downloads probably early next year.

Half a year to copy and upload two CD-ROMs?! 

[smilesdavis]

im all down to applesauce pro tools 1-4 and cubase 1-4 floppy disks
finding ones with authorisations is a heavy task and all resources will need to be combined to hunt down the last ones

we need to start with a google sheet overview of all floppy disks and then applesauce them and upload the images. this way, if you have the hardware you can install fresh.

[Knezzen]

Does this mean 888/24 will work in a Nubus setup? I've got three 888/24 interfaces, but no original 16-bit 888s. Shouldn't the Pro Tools 888/24 be able to dither to accommodate the 16-bit Nubus card? Have you ever tried to use an 888/24 in a Nubus system? If so, what were the results? What exactly causes it to not work?

Yeah, they should work in 16bit mode. They are switchable between 16bit and 24bit using the Hardware Setup dialog on a 24|MIX system, but should "just work" in 16bit mode on a PTIII system.

[smilesdavis]

"The Pro Tools III (PCI or Nubus) will allow you to pass 24 bit audio through the digital inputs and outputs only. This does not require an 888/24, an original 888 will work for this. If the analog inputs/outputs are used the file bit depth will be 16 bit (actually up to 18 bit) but for arguments sake, 16 bit.

However, these systems will NOT write 24 bit files to disk. They will only write 16 bit files to disk.

Jon Connolly
Digidesign Product Specialist"

[Knezzen]

Yeah, exactly.

[CMW]

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There you go. But, IMO, OS9 will be too heavy for NuBus.

Thanks for the file, ssp3! I have a G3 accelerator.

You're welcome!
* Note to others - I think I have complete DAE/DSI archive that is not stored away somewhere in boxes, so if you need any of those, let me know.

Do you know if Pro Tools 4.2 authorization disks will work for Pro Tools 4.3? I've got a CD-ROM of  4.2 and 4.3, but authorizer floppies only for the former.

I think they will. Better ask Knezzen or someone who still uses that system. I've forgotten almost everything about ProTools compatibility 

BUT! Unless you plan to run 'collector grade' PT4.x.x, you don't need authorizer floppies. Almost every version of 4.x.x up to 4.3.2 have been <redacted> in one way or the other.
(The only tricky part was getting 4.0.1 authorized on 68k using that elegant snap** method).

I'm not in a position where I can set up the system yet. I'm asking a lot of questions because I plan on archiving this software and getting it into the downloads probably early next year.

Half a year to copy and upload two CD-ROMs?! 

My computer with a CD-ROM died a couple years ago. The Power Mac 7100 isn't set up yet because I'm supposed to be packing stuff for a move... lol.

im all down to applesauce pro tools 1-4 and cubase 1-4 floppy disks
finding ones with authorisations is a heavy task and all resources will need to be combined to hunt down the last ones

we need to start with a google sheet overview of all floppy disks and then applesauce them and upload the images. this way, if you have the hardware you can install fresh.

Does Applesauce work with Pro Tools authorizers? I've never tried it and always wondered if it does. This was something that I planned to do, but didn't want to get an Applesauce only to find out that it can't copy the keydisks.

Does this mean 888/24 will work in a Nubus setup? I've got three 888/24 interfaces, but no original 16-bit 888s. Shouldn't the Pro Tools 888/24 be able to dither to accommodate the 16-bit Nubus card? Have you ever tried to use an 888/24 in a Nubus system? If so, what were the results? What exactly causes it to not work?

Yeah, they should work in 16bit mode. They are switchable between 16bit and 24bit using the Hardware Setup dialog on a 24|MIX system, but should "just work" in 16bit mode on a PTIII system.

Cool! That's great to know.

[CMW]

I've been reading about The Monte Method in MusicWorks' thread of the same name.

Here's what I got out of it:

1. Use FWB Hard Disk Toolkit to make a 750MB partition.

2. The second (larger) partition should contain all non-authorized content.

3. Subtract 1 from the beginning of the second partition to get size of first partition.

EX: Partition 1 from 0-844415; partition 2 from 844416 until end.

4. Deauthorize all software before loading image.

My Questions:

1. If the drive isn't partitioned, could making another partition mess with the authorizations, even if the drive has space for a partition?

2. Do I even need to partition? If I make an image of the whole drive, starting from bit 0 until end, it should work, right?

3. If I were to clone the drive, would it make a difference if I cloned it in a later-generation system with a different OS? Or, should I use a multi-connector SCSI cable with the PowerMac 7100 internal bus to do it in the native system?

4. Does the recipient drive have to be the same model as the donor drive, so that it's possible to specify that the information ends up in the same sectors between the two drives? Wouldn't that make a difference with some authorizations that check for exact location in the hard drive?

The drive that was sent to me has a lot of Nubus plugins on it that I can't replace. The (great) guy who sold it to me said that he had specific directions for The Monte method and cloning, but that they were in storage. I'm trying to get as much info as possible before attempting to backup. I might just wait until he gets back to me with directions.

MusicWorks' uploaded a file that supposedly copies key disks. The last user in the thread, Syntho, said the patcher worked. Can anyone else confirm if PT floppy images were successfully created? I'd love to be able to make images of the key disks without AppleSauce or Greaseweasle and upload them.

[smilesdavis]

See thats why i bought applesauce
Sadly shipping broke off a piece internally that is soldered on
Project lies over s year now but should be back on track in a month
Thing is they made images of pro tools floppies even back in the day with available at that time methods
In my mess i should have them somewhere
The monte method is kinda hard
I have some old hard disks with auths that im willing to save once a google sheet with all pro tools disks from 1-4 and all nubus software has been made and we start checking them off in an organized way

[smilesdavis]

replacement applesauce v2 board is in the mail