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iMac G3 booting OS X, but not 9 from SSD
Figgy2112:
Was able to get adapter cable for that FireWire drive and I created a partition and installed macOS nine to it, but the machine isn’t allowing me to boot off it, it never shows up if I try to do the boot menu and if I try start up disk in tiger which it recognizes as a bootable Mac OS 9 drive , it just throws the blinking folder screen, is there anything I need to do other than that because I was pretty sure that’s all I need to do. I created a partition that was under 160 gigs and installed it. whats keeping it from recognizing it as a bootable medium in the boot menu
ssp3:
--- Quote from: Figgy2112 on June 26, 2024, 02:34:35 PM ---whats keeping it from recognizing it as a bootable medium in the boot menu
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It could be anything.
Enclosure. FW to SATA or to ATA?
The chipset used.
Firmware.
The drive itself.
I have a ton of external FW (to SATA) enclosures but only a few of them can boot OS9.
Figgy2112:
--- Quote from: ssp3 on June 26, 2024, 03:07:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Figgy2112 on June 26, 2024, 02:34:35 PM ---whats keeping it from recognizing it as a bootable medium in the boot menu
--- End quote ---
It could be anything.
Enclosure. FW to SATA or to ATA?
The chipset used.
Firmware.
The drive itself.
I have a ton of external FW (to SATA) enclosures but only a few of them can boot OS9.
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It’s a sata to fw I think, but macOS nine clearly recognized it on the installer CD, Is there any open firmware trickery I can do to get it to try to boot, also, another weird issue I’m starting to have is it will boot up fine but not chime
aBc:
Ummm, maybe try a partition less than 128 GB? (Not 160 GB - for an iMac G3 / bootable.)
It might be an iMac that doesn’t require OS 9 being installed on the first 8 GB but there is that 128 GB limit, yes - no?
AND ssp3 is correct… some FW drives will work, some will not.
And for external FW drives paired with OS 9 machines “we” sorta (rule-of-thumb) use Drive Setup 1.9.2 to format and partition external FW drives. That just seems to work the best.
AND I downloaded the first installer disc image for the G3 iMac 500 GHz / 691-3176-A (Summer) and found that it comes with Drive Setup 2.0.7 (created April 2nd 2001). So there’s something else to consider if you want to completely start over, downloading, burning and installing from the original iMac restore discs (if the first one) will even recognize the SSD in the iMac.
AND, AND… the machine itself “might” require the Firmware Update too?
AS far as “open firmware trickery”…. some O-F command similar to the boot cd:,\\:tbxi (like that one used for CDs) could be used perhaps AFTER reformatting and partitioning the drive with a partition of say, 120 GB or less. See: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=6973.msg53492#msg53492
For even more possible helpful info… check out our own “comrade extraordinaire” Greystash’s “iMac G3 Dual Bootable SSD Setup” page here: https://mac-classic.com/articles/imac-g3-dual-bootable-ssd-setup/
Oh boy, more good luck wishes to you.
And, maybe fill us in on your specific FireWire drive? Self powered (I hope)?
*Think I'd try the reformat of the FW drive first and reinstall OS 9 on that... and then try, try again.
(Not using Disk Utility from Tiger.) ;)
Figgy2112:
--- Quote from: aBc on June 26, 2024, 04:21:23 PM ---Ummm, maybe try a partition less than 128 GB? (Not 160 GB - for an iMac G3 / bootable.)
It might be an iMac that doesn’t require OS 9 being installed on the first 8 GB but there is that 128 GB limit, yes - no?
AND ssp3 is correct… some FW drives will work, some will not.
And for external FW drives paired with OS 9 machines “we” sorta (rule-of-thumb) use Drive Setup 1.9.2 to format and partition external FW drives. That just seems to work the best.
AND I downloaded the first installer disc image for the G3 iMac 500 GHz / 691-3176-A (Summer) and found that it comes with Drive Setup 2.0.7 (created April 2nd 2001). So there’s something else to consider if you want to completely start over, downloading, burning and installing from the original iMac restore discs (if the first one) will even recognize the SSD in the iMac.
AND, AND… the machine itself “might” require the Firmware Update too?
AS far as “open firmware trickery”…. some O-F command similar to the boot cd:,\\:tbxi (like that one used for CDs) could be used perhaps AFTER reformatting and partitioning the drive with a partition of say, 120 GB or less. See: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=6973.msg53492#msg53492
For even more possible helpful info… check out our own “comrade extraordinaire” Greystash’s “iMac G3 Dual Bootable SSD Setup” page here: https://mac-classic.com/articles/imac-g3-dual-bootable-ssd-setup/
Oh boy, more good luck wishes to you.
And, maybe fill us in on your specific FireWire drive? Self powered (I hope)?
*Think I'd try the reformat of the FW drive first and reinstall OS 9 on that... and then try, try again.
(Not using Disk Utility from Tiger.) ;)
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Hi, The iMac in question is a summer 2001 600 MHz model, which is one of the ones that doesn’t require the eight gigs at the start of the partition, updated to the latest firmware 4.1.9, the SSD in there I’ve never been able to get working in macOS nine it just refuses to see it, I was using the 9.2.2 2002 Universal CD for the internal drive Im using a kingwin sata with master jumper pins to ide adapter with a patriot 128GB SSD, The firewire drive is some random WD Drive found in a box that has firewire 800, I got a converter cable, I opened it up and The drive seems to be some 500 GB Sata Drive and the partition I made was like 120 to 128, I tried to reformat it in macOS nine, but it seem to say not supported, I also tried restoring the partition with a previous image of an IDE drive that I had in that iMac
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