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BIg_Macintosh

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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2025, 04:17:07 PM »


I do want midi.

Since I may have bought a 2496 but now realized that having the ability to record multiple things at once to separate channels will be useful...

Is there any benefit to having 2 soundcards? :D

No stick with 1 sound card for simplicity.

Yeah I was afraid you may way separate tracks per device... simultaneously.

The 2496 will still give you great results is you want to trigger all synths via MIDI (each on a separate MIDI channel) and mix them with the mixer and record the stereo out of the mixer.  Or alternatively, you can create a stereo track for each synth by playing the sequence over and re-record.  It's very easy to line up the audio tracks later; obviously the better idea for many synths is a multichannel audio interface... so with 1 pass you can have all tracks separated for EQ and effects.

This is one one those topics that if you clearly defined what you wanted to accomplish... I was under the assumption you wanted to transfer vinyl as a stereo source into OS9; we could have been more helpful from the start if you mentioned the synths... please forgive us, you may have to sell the 2496 :(

Hahaha, it's all good.
I have the synths going into FX units then going to the mixer that goes to the card but sometimes I need to adjust volumes in post so I thought multitrack recording would be nifty, though recording one at a time into the card often gives rise to chopping up the sounds to rearrange them and then using them like that.
Additionally two sound cards is always useful to send stuff out of the computer through external FX units and then back into the computer.
I might buy a second sound card after this one arrives because of that reason though.
Hopefully the midi is much tighter on this card than those shitty usb to midi cables I have because they are terrible for syncing computers to play together.
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2025, 04:20:21 PM »

Oh and until you guys mentioned it I didn't even realize that recording multiple inputs to different channels simultaneously was possible :D
And having two soundcards makes recording to tape easier too because then I wouldn't have to unplug the speaker cables to record and stuff like that.
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2025, 07:27:09 PM »

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And having two soundcards makes recording to tape easier too because then I wouldn't have to unplug the speaker cables to record and stuff like that.

I really think you should stick to the 1 audio sound card/interface rule because in older DAWs (like the ones for OS9) there are dedicated drivers (ASIO) and these DAWs only allow you to select a single Audio Interface used at a time. Work arounds and exceptions get very complicated.

I mentioned the multichannel MOTU stuff {or any other 8in /8out interfaces} because you can use the outs and ins all at the same time. In many cases, these multichannel interfaces have their own control software so you can do things like take what is coming into inputs 1 & 2 (synth1) and route the audio out of outputs 1 & 2 into an external stereo FX unit; then take the stereo out of the FX unit and put it into inputs 3 & 4... thus in this example, you can record both the unprocessed Synth 1 audio and externally processed synth 1 audio at the same time.
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2025, 07:48:33 PM »

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And having two soundcards makes recording to tape easier too because then I wouldn't have to unplug the speaker cables to record and stuff like that.

I really think you should stick to the 1 audio sound card/interface rule because in older DAWs (like the ones for OS9) there are dedicated drivers (ASIO) and these DAWs only allow you to select a single Audio Interface used at a time. Work arounds and exceptions get very complicated.

I mentioned the multichannel MOTU stuff {or any other 8in /8out interfaces} because you can use the outs and ins all at the same time. In many cases, these multichannel interfaces have their own control software so you can do things like take what is coming into inputs 1 & 2 (synth1) and route the audio out of outputs 1 & 2 into an external stereo FX unit; then take the stereo out of the FX unit and put it into inputs 3 & 4... thus in this example, you can record both the unprocessed Synth 1 audio and externally processed synth 1 audio at the same time.

I get what you mean about selling the other card now lol, well I suppose I will use the card I bought until I get bored of it haha :D
Are there any cards that have CV outs on them?
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2025, 12:04:41 PM »

I get what you mean about selling the other card now lol, well I suppose I will use the card I bought until I get bored of it haha :D
Are there any cards that have CV outs on them?

OS9 era equipment was kind of peak MIDI. CV Gate was more commonly converted to midi vs people using sound interfaces as CV/Gate control.
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2025, 02:23:19 AM »

peak midi was M.ROS direct hardware access with the Atari ST. nothing beats the timing of those machines.
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2025, 11:03:12 AM »

peak midi was M.ROS direct hardware access with the Atari ST. nothing beats the timing of those machines.

Which is why I have 2 Ataris in my setup.
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2025, 11:46:15 PM »

2 of each model i hope or else its hard to tell if you take things serious
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2025, 03:21:27 AM »

OS9 era equipment was kind of peak MIDI. CV Gate was more commonly converted to midi vs people using sound interfaces as CV/Gate control.

indeed, it kind of started only with OSX PPC, but not OS9.

you can use motu interfaces to output CV in OS9 - but then you have to make the software
for that yourself.
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2025, 04:19:14 AM »

you can use motu interfaces to output CV..
Without modifying the hardware? Are outputs on Motu DC coupled?
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Re: Need a soundcard that works on a MDD G4 running 9,2,2
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2025, 01:15:50 PM »

you can use motu interfaces to output CV..
Without modifying the hardware? Are outputs on Motu DC coupled?
If they are then would it be possible to record CV into your computer and then play it out through one to control an external synth?
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