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[Mat]

OK, I tried to get Crypto Ancienne under Power MachTen running like described by Cameron Kaiser http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/carl.html

And I failed, …

Can please somebody guide me to get TLS 1.3 back with Classilla!

I was able to install MachTen 4.1.4. Afterwards I could unpack cryanc and I have this folder with carl accessable from MachTens console (as root). But when I type  "./micro_inetd 8765 ./carl -p" from within the cryanic folder, I get "bind: Invalid argument".

Other problem, when I log in as preconfigured "mtnext" it leads to a white window instead of a X environment. Backspace is not working correctly, when I type backspace the console writes "^H", …

Or how do I for example change the "hostname" as it recently is "NOHOSTNAME" what might be the problem?

I even could not find this "cryanic-folder" or several others from within Mac OS. Where does MachTen save its files??

[Jubadub]

Hey @Mat, check out this MacOS9Lives thread to see my own struggle with it. But more importantly, check out this Macintosh Garden thread where I laid down (as "Jatoba") every solution for every step of the way, with screenshots and everything. I can tell that most of the problems you are facing are addressed over there.

The Floodgap tutorial for CA is good, but not complete. Without following the extra steps I laid down in that Garden thread, no one can get it up and running if they follow it down to a T. You need the extra steps.

By the way, I assume you ran the Power MachTen 4.1.4 -> 5.0.5 updater? It's the "Tenon_MacOS_9.1_Update.hqx" file in the Power MachTen Garden page (currently download #10).

MachTen by the way has access to not only the HFS file system from your Mac, but also its own file system (forgot name. UFS? Not the same UFS we hear of elsewhere IIRC). This lives inside image files that AFAIK only MachTen can mount. When you put the Crypto Ancienne compressed file via the Mac as per Floodgap's tutorial, it's naturally still residing on the HFS side of things, but when you unpack/copy it as per instructions, the contents will be inside one of the images mounted by MachTen. For more info on that sort of stuff, you can check around Floodgap some more to find other pages related to MachTen usage and setup in general.

EDIT: For emphasis, don't use OpenDNS. Use something else. Else you WILL have issues, like I did in the Garden thread.

And also, again for emphasis, it's VITAL you use "127.0.0.1" instead of "localhost" for proxy, even though the latter "should" have resolved to the former (but doesn't, and "127.0.0.1" is both appropriate and valid even if it did).

But before we get to these 2 points, there are other parts of the process you have to address. I'm sure you'll be able to solve all the issues.

[Mat]

OK, success! Thanks a lot Jubadub!

So MachTen is working now. It seem my main problem was that I did not do that MachTen update, so it didn´t work at all. The ""bind: Invalid argument" that also the user in the other thread reported is as Mac OS 9.1 and above simply need this update for MachTen to work correctly.

Afterwards I followed Jubadubs instructions regarding the configuration of the MachTen controlpanel, the Classilla proxy (IP instead of "localehost") and everything worked immediately. Also now I can "boot" into X environment with MachTen if I like.

So, I have now TLS 1.3 running without any other hardware than my Mac OS 9 G4 and it is working quite well! Of course no modern pages like youtube or my onlinebanking, but well enough for day to day usage.

The best thing is, as my mailprovider has Squirrelmail as an alternative webmailer online, mailusage is back now at my Mac OS 9!! Yeah!

I really could have done this before, …

Can somebody help me changing the keyboard layout in MachTen to German, it is extremely frustrating to try to type at a layout I do not know and which means permanentely guessing for everything.

The hostname that I asked for in the initial posting, is changed in the MachTen control panel at Mac OS 9.

[Jubadub]

Awesome! Really glad to see all our collective effort bearing fruit! And healthy fruit at that!

We might also be able to use Crypto Ancienne via Virtual PC or some other x86 emulator/VM, but the cool thing about Power MachTen is that it doesn't have the CPU emulation overhead, it's all PowerPC instructions, and there's no other emulator/VM program for Mac OS that I know of like that. To beat this, only if CA was a direct Mac OS app, and/or built-in into Classilla and MacLynx.

As a bonus, you can configure Power MachTen's Control Panel to give ALL the processing time to Mac OS rather than MachTen via the slider, and Crypto Ancienne will still work perfectly, at least for a Mac as powerful as the Mac mini G4. This way we bring down the MachTen overhead to a minimum.

If you installed MachTen on an HFS partition you have directly, you can also create a shortcut to it and put it inside "Startup Items" folder to get things up and running as quickly as possible upon booting Mac OS 9. If MachTen was installed inside a disk image (like mine was, since all my partitions were so big, that MachTen's installer miscalculates and lets overflow the drive size value, so it thinks that "there's no space"), then at least you can still mount the image containing it via Startup Items. (Maybe I can move the installed files manually towards one of my real partitions after an install? Or, maybe, that breaks MachTen.)

I have no idea how to switch out the keyboard layout for MachTen, though, sorry. You can try e-mailing Cameron Kaiser himself, I believe most likely he would at least reply.

[V.Yakob]

And I decided to try this SSL Proxy, which I ran in MachTen on OS92.2.
However, every time I get "Time Out." Even if I use HTTP Proxy, http pages do not open.
Maybe I chose a weak machine for experiments? -- PM9600 with Sonnet G4 450 Mhz CPU update.

Mat, Jubadub, on which machine/processor did you manage to run it?

[Mat]

Mat, Jubadub, on which machine/processor did you manage to run it?

To answer your question, I am using it at my Ti Book G4/1GHz. But I do not think that your machine is too slow. From what I experienced the last days when Classila and MachTen are running at the same time, your machine should be absolute capable for such tasks, without any timeout.

The "timout issue" is adressed quite extensive in Jubadubs threads he linked to in posting Nr. 2. Go carefully through them and follow all final advices, how to configure the MachTen control panel, the Classilla proxy settings, especially the IP instead of "localhost" etc.  I am sure it will work when you follow all steps in the other threads!
For me the googles DNS 8.8.8.8 is working very well. Perhaps try to use another DNS.

[V.Yakob]

Thank u, Mat,
I missed the DNS setting in the MachTen control panel.

Now I can open macintoshgarden on OS9, as well as log in to this forum under my account without thinking about the unreliability of http.

I will leave here a brief note on how to set it up so that the next searchers do not have to go through a large number of links.

1. Installing MachTen 4.1.4
2. Installing the update
3. DNS configuration: Control Panel -> MachTen Controls -> Networking. For example, 8.8.8.8;
4. Copy the archive carl-machten-414.tar.gz to the root of the volume on which MachTen is installed;
5. Open MachTen. Log in with the "mtuser" or "root" account and "MachTen" password;
6. If you have a license, enter "chnglicense", enter the key in the window that opens;
7. Execute commands
mkdir ~/carl
cd ~/carl
dfork //carl-machten-414.tar.gz ~/carl/carl-machten-414.tar.gz
gunzip carl-machten-414.tar.gz
tar xvf carl-machten-414.tar
cd cryanc
./micro_inetd 8080 ./carl -p

The carl program has other keys, you can get help on them like this ./carl -h

Run Classilla 9.3.4beta and open the page with the fine-tuning "about:config"
Using the filter, find the parameter "network.http.proxy.use-http-proxy-for-https" and change the value to true.
Open the settings Edit -> Preferences... -> Advanced -> Proxies, set the switch to "Manual proxy configuration", enter 127.0.0.1 and port 8080 in the SSL Proxy field.

Open the https site, for example https://macintoshgarden.org or https://macos9lives.com

[MigMac]

To beat this, only if CA was a direct Mac OS app, and/or built-in into Classilla and MacLynx.

Indeed, a standalone app for Crypto Ancienne or some rehashed Classilla with the built-in feature would be a major development. Might be a silly idea but what about crowdfunding to incite/encourage developers to explore this? Old Mac communities may be small but surely they are more enthusiastic and motivated than others... just a thought.

[emendelson]

Question about this very informative thread:

Is it possible to launch MachTen on startup without entering a username/password in the console and then automatically run carl? - In other words, is it possible simply to boot up OS 9, wait a few seconds while MachTen launches and runs carl, so that we can start up Classila and browse with any intermediate steps?

Probably anyone who knows these things can do this with their eyes closed, but I've only begun running MachTen in the past three or four days.

[Knezzen]

Sure, you should be able to do that if you put an alias of MachTen in your Startup Items folder and configure MachTen to start carl when up and running.

I'll look into writing a guide. If anyone wants to beat me to it, be my guest

A guide like this would be perfect for the main page. Just a thought.

[emendelson]

That would be excellent - and if you can tell how to login to MachTen automatically, that would be perfect in every way. Thank you!

[Knezzen]

You should be able to start carl when the daemons start, so you don't have to log into MachTen in order for it to work. I'll have a look

[Knezzen]

Alright, I got it working. Typical BSD stuff, putting it into rc.local solved the "start when MachTen starts" issue.

I put this:

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$ECHO "Starting Crypto Ancienne and Carl - TLS for the Internet of Old Things"
/usr/cryanc/micro_inetd 8765 /usr/cryanc/carl -p &
Just above this:

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$ECHO "Local configuration finished."
In my rc.local file which can be found in the folder MachTen 4.1.4 --> MachTen_HFS --> etc. Remember that you need to change the paths in the example above to wherever you have carl and micro_inetd installed, I just happen to have them in /usr/cryanc.

Now copy the MachTen alias into your System Folder --> Startup Items.
when you reboot your machine, MachTen it will start carl after startup without the need to login and start it manually.

[emendelson]

Perfect - thank you! I'll try this today and report back.

[emendelson]

I was going to ask for help downloading

http://gopher//gopher.floodgap.com:70/9/gopher/clients/mac/carl-machten-414.tar.gz

but eventually I installed Gophie for current macOS and was able to download using that program. But are there any instructions for downloading it from Mac OS 9? Are there instructions for setting up a gopher proxy in Classilla? Probably there are, and I'm simply incapable of finding them, and will be very grateful for any help.

[Knezzen]

Classilla as well as every version of Netscape that runs on Mac OS 9 and earlier supports gopher. Just put gopher://gopher.floodgap.com in your address bar and fire away

[MigMac]

But are there any instructions for downloading it from Mac OS 9? Are there instructions for setting up a gopher proxy in Classilla? Probably there are, and I'm simply incapable of finding them, and will be very grateful for any help.

As Knezzen said, Classilla ...you can also enjoy the old OS experience with Turbogopher, simple and fast: https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/turbogopher

[emendelson]

Aha! Yes, it works! I got confused because the link in message #6 up above doesn't work in Classilla. I think it should be:

gopher://gopher.floodgap.com:70/9/gopher/clients/mac/carl-machten-414.tarz

If this is right, could a moderator change the link in that message?

[emendelson]

Alright, I got it working. Typical BSD stuff, putting it into rc.local solved the "start when MachTen starts" issue.

I put this:

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$ECHO "Starting Crypto Ancienne and Carl - TLS for the Internet of Old Things"
/usr/cryanc/micro_inetd 8765 /usr/cryanc/carl -p &
Just above this:

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$ECHO "Local configuration finished."
In my rc.local file which can be found in the folder MachTen 4.1.4 --> MachTen_HFS --> etc. Remember that you need to change the paths in the example above to wherever you have carl and micro_inetd installed, I just happen to have them in /usr/cryanc.

Now copy the MachTen alias into your System Folder --> Startup Items.
when you reboot your machine, MachTen it will start carl after startup without the need to login and start it manually.

Well, that absolutely works! Thank you! I made the mistake of editing the rc.local file with SimpleText, which destroyed it, but I reinstalled and edited the file with vi and that worked perfectly. Many thanks! (As you said, I needed to adjust the paths to match my setup.)

Now, one further question, and I hope this isn't being selfish:

Is it possible to close or hide the MachTen console window after it runs those commands? That would make the experience absolutely seamless. Maybe this is too much to ask?

[Knezzen]

Ah, yes. SimpleText probably destroys something. Editing the file with BBEdit worked fine for me, but vi or eMacs or Nedit from within MachTen works fine of course

I’m not sure if there’s some trickery within finder to start an application hidden. Someone else might have an answer.