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[drzeissler]

Hi there beside the problem that I can't get OS9 and OSX on the internal HDD working in dual boot I encountered that my 20" CinemaDisplay 1680x1050? displays strange moving lines in dark areas. I can't see them in OSX or in Morphos, only in OS9, regardless if I use a very early OS9 Version or the very latest. Is it a common failure?

Thx!

[IIO]

forget dual boot, use external volume for OSX.

you use 1.33 / 1.5 model? they are the ones which have trouble with monitor resolutions.

[smilesdavis]

Can we just start putting all info like this about specific models in a huge spreadsheet?

[Jubadub]

Can we just start putting all info like this about specific models in a huge spreadsheet?

@ssp3 has been doing that, you can see it in the front page.

The model ending with ,2 corresponds to the 1.33 GHz and 1.5GHz models.

[ssp3]

@ssp3 has been doing that, you can see it in the front page.

Yep. Last update was 3 days ago.
Still, there are some that need to be added - another Fujitsu 19" and a decent 19" by HP.
(You can not imagine how many displays I have bought and tested..)

[ELN]

A question to creators of ROM file for Mac Mini or those in the know: why are there two instances of 'PowerMac10,1 PowerMac10,2' and several other duplicate lines in the boot script in ROM file? Was it done on purpose? If so, why?

Oops! The patch script got run twice on that ROM. Not sure it it was me.

[Vanceone]

I have a question about Apple monitors.  I just ordered a 1.5 mac mini, and I was wondering what monitor to pair with it.

So I was wondering about the Apple Cinema Displays.  Do all of them that have the DVI connection run under OS 9?  I'm specifically thinking of the 23 inch 2004 Apple Cinema Display; which allegedly requires Jaguar.  Does it run under OS 9?  I know the 30 inch doesn't run. 

Looking at https://web.archive.org/web/20060427015054/http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300652 it shows lots of compatible and lots that are not... but do the ones listed as "compatible" also mean they are compatible under System 9?

Thanks!

[davecom]

I have a question about Apple monitors.  I just ordered a 1.5 mac mini, and I was wondering what monitor to pair with it.

So I was wondering about the Apple Cinema Displays.  Do all of them that have the DVI connection run under OS 9?  I'm specifically thinking of the 23 inch 2004 Apple Cinema Display; which allegedly requires Jaguar.  Does it run under OS 9?  I know the 30 inch doesn't run. 

Looking at https://web.archive.org/web/20060427015054/http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300652 it shows lots of compatible and lots that are not... but do the ones listed as "compatible" also mean they are compatible under System 9?

Thanks!

I don't see why an older Apple Cinema Display with a DVI connector would not be compatible with Mac OS 9. Monitors made in 2025 are compatible with Mac OS 9. Now, there may not be drivers for Mac OS 9 for any special features in a more modern monitor but just for display output? It should be okay bearing in mind that there may be resolution incompatibilities as documented in this thread. Especially on the "silent upgrade" machines like your 1.5.

[Vanceone]

Hi Dave, I think you are the one I just bought the 1.5 mac mini from!  It showed up today, very nice packaging.

I have a random Wal-Mart monitor that I will try a dvi-hdmi converter with. Otherwise I guess I'll have to order the Apple Cinema Display?  What's the best solution, right now, for these silent upgrade mac minis?

[smilesdavis]

personally i enjoy 5:4 Sony SDM Series TFT Active Matrix LCD monitors

[ssp3]

What's the best solution, right now, for these silent upgrade mac minis?

It's all in my table in the first post.
The safest bet for all Minis is any 17" or 19" display. If the color stability over longer period of time is important, then look for display in that range with LED backlight. My personal favourite is Fujitsu B19-7. Not the largest gamut in the world, but for non critical work (high end photography, pre-press) it is very nice.
For larger than 19" sizes, consult my table or ask other users.
As to the Apple displays, those with CCFL backlight, if they were used extensively, might be faded out and not reproducing colors correctly. The same also applies to other displays with CCFL backlight.

[davecom]

Hi Dave, I think you are the one I just bought the 1.5 mac mini from!  It showed up today, very nice packaging.

I have a random Wal-Mart monitor that I will try a dvi-hdmi converter with. Otherwise I guess I'll have to order the Apple Cinema Display?  What's the best solution, right now, for these silent upgrade mac minis?

Hi Vanceone,
Yes, the converter should be fine. Although the converters vary in quality. I have found some work better than others. Also, be sure to try a lower resolution. I also have a couple extra Apple DVI-VGA adapters. If you have VGA potential on a monitor you own let me know and I'm happy to send you one, just PM me. No charge of course since you bought the computer
Best,
Dave

[Protools5LEGuy]

Good work!

[Knezzen]

So there's no solution yet for the silently upgraded Mini? I plugged in my recently aquired 1.5Ghz Mini and installed Mac OS 9 as well as Tiger on it. In Tiger I can use the native resolution of my monitor just fine (3440x1440), but in OS9 it's a hot mess to say the least. I'm stuck at 1280x720 right now. Anything larger "wide screen" is just a mess.

A bit sad, since I bought this mini to replace my TiBook as my main coding and OS9 machine (the MDD is for studio use only more or less). The graphics issues makes it more or less unusable for me right now.

[Knezzen]

So I got it working, but without hardware acceleration. Booted into 1280x720, opened up the monitors control panel, went into the extensions folder and removed all the ATi extensions. Set the monitors resolution to 3440x1440 and got the flickery insanity I got the last time. Managed to navigate to the Special --> Restart menu item and upon reboot I got a working, native 3440x1440 on my Mac Mini G4 1.5Ghz in Mac OS 9, of course without hardware acceleration.

And oh, I had to "downgrade" to the v8 ROM since the "wrong" drivers for my mini are integrated into the v9 ROM.

[Knezzen]

Just see how much you can do with 3440x1440 in Mac OS 9
Getting hardware acceleration working on this machine would be awesome!

[ssp3]

Just see how much you can do with 3440x1440 in Mac OS 9

This is nuts. Can you still read the text?

Getting hardware acceleration working on this machine would be awesome!

For that, I think, someone skilled in the trade have to decompile the ATI driver for OSX and recompile it for OS9.

[Knezzen]

Indeed. I have never messed with drivers, so I'm not really up for the task myself. Hopefully someone who knows can shime in

[joevt]

Do you still have different resolutions and color depths in the control strip? If so, then at least the ndrv is working.

You can boot OS 9 without an ndrv and it can use the Open Firmware frame buffer to do graphics but you can't change the color depth or the resolution.

For example, I have an Nvidia 7800 GT Mac Edition in my Power Mac G5 Quad. I can put it in my B&W G3 (with a PCIe adapter) and boot Mac OS 9 with it even though it has no drivers. The Open Firmware driver creates the frame buffer and Mac OS 9 can use that. It's similar to EFI Intel Macs that can use the EFI frame buffer created for a GPU that is too new for the current version of Mac OS X.

[Knezzen]

Do you still have different resolutions and color depths in the control strip? If so, then at least the ndrv is working.

You can boot OS 9 without an ndrv and it can use the Open Firmware frame buffer to do graphics but you can't change the color depth or the resolution.

Yes, I get all the resolutions and I have working hardware acceleration, but most of the resolutions are "broken" (see this YouTube video). 1280x1024, 1280x720 and 800x600 seems to be working fine, but others like my monitors native resolution as well as 1920x1080 are flickering just like in the video. Removing the ATi drivers from the extensions folder and using the V8 ROM to only enable the frame buffer works just fine though and is how I use it right now.