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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2023, 06:16:46 AM »

I ment DP 1.41Y software, not authorizer. Is it ok? Can you install it? Can you run it up to the point where it asks for authorization?

OK. give me some time to dig this up. I will have to setup a proper OS9 machine: the machines I currently use have no floppy drive.
I do have the original install diskettes, but I also have an installed version on one Mac or more here, which I'll have to resurrect.
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2023, 10:17:13 AM »

https://filebin.net/2h1dmp2u2yjjbcff

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2168.0
after discovering this lengthy awsome thread, i guess this thread is a re-run for IIO. (didnt know IIO is a skilled programmer, i just thought hes good at taking stabs at my "museum" ;))

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For the first time, Yamaha have dispensed completely with in-house software development (which had not met with much success on Yamaha's C1 computer) and opted to concentrate on its hardware/firmware skills, whilst bringing in high-profile third-party software vendors to implement D5 support via existing successful products. Currently, the line of development is aimed firmly at the hi-tech musician, and therefore Mark Of The Unicorn (Digital Performer) and Steinberg (Cubase Audio) are under contract to provide D5 support for Macintosh and Atari respectively. Support for the PC is also under negotiation. At present, Steinberg and MOTU have one-year exclusivity over D5 dual audio-MIDI music recording applications on their respective platforms, but after that period the D5 will be open to support by all software manufacturers; this should ensure support by at least Opcode StudioVision, Cubase Audio for the Mac, and whatever C-Lab have up their sleeve.
-https://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/yamaha-cbx-d5-digital-recorder/9546

Steinberg Cubase Audio PC 1.0 (shipped with Cubase Audio PC) (1993) - 3.05XT (1996) *requires Adapted SCSI **just doublechecked but Cubase Mac Audio always was a Digidesign only affair. 1.x-2.x-3.x.
MOTU Digital Performer 1.41Y (1994) *limited license*
Steinberg Cubase Audio Atari ST/TT for CBX-D5 1.0-1.1b (01.02.96) *requires Steinberg DMA zu SCSI-II
Opcode Studio Vision Pro 3.0 (1996) (https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/opcode-studio-vision-pro-v30)
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2023, 11:25:32 PM »

Oh my god

My favourite ny hardcore band of the 90s

And my saviour in terms of 90s cracks

I will listen to the entire lookingglassself record in honor of the man

In the jap manual of cbxd3 there was a digital performer remark

Is there code for d3?

Someone with a d5 please test im hunting for a d5
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2023, 06:13:08 AM »


I'll certainly do that. The CBX is still in the basement, but I unearthed the Quadra to experiment with the digidesign cards and interfaces. I only have to find time now...

https://filebin.net/2h1dmp2u2yjjbcff

Anyway, before diving any deeper, here's an interesting first tidbit. Apparently, DP1.71 has some CBX D5 resources in it.

Try to install it and see if it works. Maybe there's no need to waste time with 1.41.
Install 1.7 -> apply 1.71 update -> apply patch.

I had a good laugh seeing this after so many years  :D



He was THE man!
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2023, 01:37:35 PM »

Logic Audio 2.6 manual:

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1.2 Additional Hardware
In order to run LOGIC Audio you need additional hardware with analog/ digital and digital/analog converters (A/D and D/A) and if necessary also digital signal processors (DSPs). This hardware can either come in the form of a card for the Macintosh’s internal Nu-Bus or PCI-Bus, or as a free-standing hardware unit. In this manual it will be referred to as HDR hardware (Hard Disk Recording hardware).
At the moment, LOGIC Audio supports the following hardware:
• AV - the internal converters in the Power Macs (or 68k AV models)
• DAE - Digidesign’s AudioMedia II and III, Sound Tools, or Session 8 or ProTools II
• TDM - Digidesign’s ProTools III (and ProTools IV, as soon as available)
• CBX - Yamaha’s CBX-D5 or CBX-D3

The CBX-Extension
The CBX extension allows LOGIC Audio to make use of Yamaha’s CBX- D5 and CBX-D3. These devices are separate hardware units which make it possible to run LOGIC Audio’s hard disk recording functions in professional quality even on Macs without NuBus or PCI slots.
Running LOGIC Audio with CBX hardware is a little more complicated than running it with DAE hardware. As a result, the CBX Extension must be used when using CBX hardware in conjunction with LOGIC Audio.

is this floppy in any archive somewhere?


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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2023, 01:59:09 PM »

CBX extension:
I vaguely remember I have been chasing this one at the time. I may have it somewhere, I'll look (eventually). I did consider using Logic for driving the CBX, but have been put off by its complexity.
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2023, 02:49:59 PM »

wait what thats by emagic for LA2.6? nu uh :D

because i was just checking my logic audio 2.5 plastic box and all i could find was DAE extension floppies
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2023, 04:04:17 PM »

This is NOT the infamous logic "CBX extension". It is a system extension for Sound Manager so it can use the CBX as a sound I/O
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2023, 04:31:36 PM »

Yamaha CBX-D3/D5 support in Emagic Logic Audio: documented timeline

Logic Audio 2.5.3 — CBX support announced

In February 1997, Sound On Sound reported that Logic Audio 2.5 had entered the Windows 95 market during summer 1996 and that 2.5.3 was the current version. Yamaha CBX hardware was not yet supported, but Emagic confirmed that a dedicated extension was under development:

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Logic Audio v2.5 for Windows 95 entered the market in summer 1996, and the latest version (2.5.3) costs £399. [...] Logic Audio does not yet support any of them, but I am assured that Emagic are in the process of developing extensions for CBX, Soundscape and the Akai DR8.

Sound On Sound, February 1997

Logic Audio 2.6 — CBX Extension released for Mac OS

By April 1997, Emagic was advertising its dedicated CBX Extension for Logic Audio 2.6 on the Macintosh. It supported Yamaha’s CBX-D3 and CBX-D5 Digital Recording Processors.

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LOGIC Audio CBX Extension for Mac OS

Yamaha's CBX-D3 and CBX-D5 Support for LOGIC Audio Mac OS

The CBX Extension is designed to get the most from LOGIC Audio Mac OS with Yamaha's CBX-D3 and D5 Digital Recording Processors. Connect up to 2 CBX units to even medium powered SCSI-equipped Macs for a total of eight CBX audio tracks and use any combination of CBX units for maximum flexibility. The CBX Extension can be used in conjunction with other LOGIC Audio Extensions to allow you to easily customise your digital audio system.

Record and play up to eight tracks of professional-quality digital audio—four per linked CBX unit—using a wide range of Macintosh models, from Performas to PowerBooks. The CBX processes the audio data internally while its CPU accesses your hard drive, leaving your Macintosh to run LOGIC Audio at maximum speed.

The CBX Extension can be used alongside LOGIC Audio 2.6’s built-in AV or DAE support simultaneously; simply choose the Output Device from a convenient menu. All audio files recorded within LOGIC Audio are 100% compatible and can be freely exchanged.

Archived Emagic product page, 29 April 1997

The archive date establishes that the extension was available no later than 29 April 1997; it may not represent the exact release date.

Logic Audio 3.0 — CBX support remains Mac-only

A 1998 review of Logic Audio 3.0 confirms that the CBX and TDM extensions remained exclusive to the Macintosh version:

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Emagic’s Logic Audio v3.0 [...] CBX and TDM Extensions remain for the Mac [...]

AudioTechnology, 1998

Logic Audio Platinum 3.1 — CBX support included out of the box

By early summer 1998, Logic Audio Platinum 3.1 was advertised as supporting Yamaha CBX hardware directly:

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Logic Audio Platinum version 3.1 is Emagic's “top of the line” professional recording solution. [...] Logic Audio Platinum supports the following dedicated hardware right out of the box: all of Digidesign's current DAE-supported hardware including Pro Tools III/24 TDM systems, the Korg 1212 I/O, Audiowerk8, Apple Sound Manager, any Windows 95-compatible soundcard, Yamaha CBX series, Akai DR8/16 and Soundscape SSHDR-1. Note: some of these hardware systems are platform-specific.

Sweetwater Sweet Notes, Early Summer 1998

Logic Audio Platinum 3.6 — CBX extension fully integrated

With Logic Audio Platinum 3.6 for Macintosh, the formerly separate audio extensions were included as standard. This provided integrated multi-hardware support, including the Yamaha CBX series.

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English translation:

Among other improvements, the Logic Audio 3.6 update now provides compatibility with VST plug-ins and an improved user interface.

Platinum also offers multi-hardware support: all audio extensions are now included as standard. Previously, each new device required the installation of its corresponding driver. The software supports the Akai DR8/16, Macintosh internal A/V, DAE hardware—including Audiomedia II/III, Session 8 and Pro Tools Project—Audiowerk8, Korg 1212 I/O, Yamaha CBX and the Soundscape SSHDR-1 for PC.

Logic Audio Gold and Platinum also support ASIO drivers, allowing the use of hardware such as the Yamaha DSP Factory and MOTU 2408.

Archived Mastersynth review of Logic Audio Platinum 3.6

Summary

  • Logic Audio 2.5.3: CBX support not yet available; Emagic confirms development.
  • Logic Audio 2.6: dedicated CBX-D3/D5 Extension available for Mac OS by 29 April 1997.
  • Logic Audio 3.0: CBX Extension remains Mac-only.
  • Logic Audio Platinum 3.1: Yamaha CBX support advertised as included out of the box.
  • Logic Audio Platinum 3.6: formerly separate audio extensions, including CBX support, integrated as standard.
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2023, 05:36:08 PM »

CBX extension:
I vaguely remember I have been chasing this one at the time. I may have it somewhere, I'll look (eventually). I did consider using Logic for driving the CBX, but have been put off by its compexity.

 No luck, I have searched in many possible places, no trace of that thing.
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2023, 11:45:55 PM »

I do own that Logic 2.5 extension floppy disc. But the thing has not more autorizations left. (those autorizations were copied on hdd and were lost if not copied back onto the floppy. This is what happened before I bought that stuff second hand )
If you guys want to try to hack it somehow, I could send it to you.
I do understand that this extension and so CBX support was integrated into Logic from version 4.0 on ?!?
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #52 on: January 04, 2023, 05:48:59 AM »

What does "infamous logic "CBX extension" is supposed to do? Am I missing something?

that infamous thing, that was expensive and that very few people ever saw, gave you the resources to use the CBX-D5 with Logic Audio. Smilesdavis quotes a pretty good description five posts away...
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2023, 04:15:26 PM »

expensive? from memory or did you see a price sheet recently? id love to see that
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2023, 05:09:13 AM »

It's just from memory. Was at least $100. Maybe Cyberish knows, he has that disk. We may suppose he bought it...
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2023, 07:16:15 AM »

It's just from memory. Was at least $100. Maybe Cyberish knows, he has that disk. We may suppose he bought it...

yea, also i hope he scans it for us, id love to see the label and it also helps people i asked to look for it identify it
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2023, 02:23:27 PM »

dunno about price. got that extension floppies second hand.

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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2023, 03:18:06 PM »

amazing thanks for letting us take a peek at the LAM2.5 (1996) unicorn extensions. 

cbx-d3 (1994) on its way to me. 25 eur. score.
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2023, 03:30:07 PM »

dunno about price. got that extension floppies second hand.

I just rechecked: this CBX extension floppy is copy protected. On Mac OS X I can see that extension file to be installed by a VISE installer but it's not possible to copy it.
I tried to copy it with DiskDup but there's no avail. SmilesDavis told me to be able to Kyroflux it. Probably the last chance to safe these floppies for the future.
The floppy content actually also updates Logic 2.5 to 2.5.4 . - Do we have somewhere Logic 2.5 (not 2.5.1 etc.) ?
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Re: Apple Soundmanagerdriver for Yamaha CBX D5
« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2023, 03:36:02 PM »

applesauce would be the best way imho to preserve it

i think 2.5 is in the anthology (but im not sure since im using the legit)
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