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[supernova777]

ill start out by pointing all to this thread:
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/8923D90A-7AD8-41F1-BD1A-FEA5E1780B95.html

my fave so far has been the radeon 8500 due to its great drivers..
+ great performance! i have tried a few other nvidia cards (mostly OEM versions tho)

i think the best nvidia geforce card is the Geforce4 Ti 4600?

heres a comparison between the radeon 8500 + the Geforce 4Ti

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=138&card2=22

and another comparison between the radeon 8500, this time
with the Geforce4 TI 4600


http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=135&card2=22

so the GF4TI comes out a bit on top but i think the price would be alot more then the radeon 8500

why i personally like the 8500 is also to do with the DVI/VGA dual monitor support ports.. which come in handy over the ADC ports of some of the
nvidia cards!

[MacTron]

I have the Radeon 8500, the Radeon 9000PRO and the GF4 Ti4600. The Radeon 8500 and the 9000PRO perform very similar each other, but the Ti4600 surpass both in around 50% in 2D and 100% 3D in Mac Os 9. This is something you can't be easily forgotten.

[supernova777]

the geforce4 ti 4800, does it even work in os9?

yeah i heard the 4600 is the best for these systems but, in everyday use.. is it really that much quicker for normal 2d use?
web browsing that much quicker? graphics updating within applications?

[MacTron]

the geforce4 ti 4800, does it even work in os9?

No, as far as I know. Besides this, the ti4800 only improvement  over the ti4600 is the AGP8x support I think...

yeah i heard the 4600 is the best for these systems but, in everyday use.. is it really that much quicker for normal 2d use?
web browsing that much quicker? graphics updating within applications?

Yes, improves 50% ALL QuickDraw task. This 50% can be measured in a graphic intensive application and in all kind of redraws and page scrolls (Cubase and others included...). Of course don't improve CPU intensive task, like audio compression and so...
This card and a SSD can improve any G4 in a very significant way.

[supernova777]

this card.. the 4600 ti..
does anyone know if u can re-flash a pc version to a mac version?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.X4600+ti+agp&_nkw=4600+ti+agp&_sacat=0&_from=R40

here u can see a bunch of cards that do not say they are mac versions
and they are not as long aswell..

u can also see that the mac card goes for way too much 179$? pfftt

[MacTron]

this card.. the 4600 ti..
does anyone know if u can re-flash a pc version to a mac version?

Yes, but the ti4600 require an extra hardware modification.

http://www.cybercoment.com/macgeforce.htm

[supernova777]

i was just about to modify my Geforce FX 5200 OEM from my powermac g5 that is sitting on a shelf.. to put into my sawtooth,


but now i realize this is AGP 4x (1.5v) compatible only (*AFTER* modifying + cutting some pcb to make it fit + cut pin 3+11) and will work in DA or Quicksilver/MDD macs only (4x+)
and the sawtooth needs AGP 2x (3.3v) compatible card

kind of sucks because i have the ATI 9600XT + the Geforce FX 5200..
and they are both basically useless to me, i guess i should just sell on ebay or something rather then throw them out like i usually would:)

i think the 9600XT is alot better then the FX 5200.. but both cards dont work in os9 or the g4 sawtooth.. sucks!!!

[supernova777]

http://themacelite.wikispaces.com/AGP+Graphics+Card+Compatibility+Chart

heres a chart of graphic card compatibilty

[supernova777]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leadtek-WinFast-A250-Ultra-TD-nVidia-GeForce4-Ti4600-128MB-DDR-Video-Card-AS-IS-/330920272275?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item4d0c62a193

http://www.ebay.com/itm/nVidia-PNY-GeForce4-Ti-4600-Video-Graphics-Card-128MB-Dell-4N458-04N458-/171068254122?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item27d47667aa

do u think there would be any chance of flashing a pc agp card?

as u can see the prices are clearly alot lower..
and after reviewing the info you say 50% gain is alot.. it does have a faster memory  + core clocks

[supernova777]

for g3 + g4 yikes users
any users of a geforce 6200 pci out there?
i looked up the specs and its quite comparble to a geforce ti 4400 or radeon 8500.
but in pci format..
i think the geforce 6200 pci might be a little better then the radeon 9200 pci?

[Graveyard]

I've had the leadtek card in your photo a while ago. I gave it to a friend of mine to use it in a "retro beast" as he calls it. I wanted to flash it for my QS Dual 800 but since i still have 2 ADC displays left, i gave up on the idea. Instead i replaced the GF2 the G4 originally came with, with a Radeon 7500. Now i can use my ForMac Gallery 21" ADC display, and get some good performance in games. I can even play UT 2004 on it, at a low resolution, but with maxed out details.

[supernova777]

i keep reading the radeon 9800 + Geforce 6800 cards work aswell in os9 but without official drivers + "hardware acceleration"
japamac swears that the performance these cards provide makes up for lack of proper accelleration anyway
and says these cards will give max performance to those dual booting os9 + osx

[MacTron]

and says these cards will give max performance to those dual booting os9 + osx

I wish to see some speed test of both video cards under mac Os 9 without official drivers + "hardware acceleration".
Maybe I'm wrong but I'll very surprised if some of them have better speed than Ati Rage 128.

[supernova777]

i think i read this japamac guy saying this on the apple discussion forums

[Protools5LEGuy]

and says these cards will give max performance to those dual booting os9 + osx

I wish to see some speed test of both video cards under mac Os 9 without official drivers + "hardware acceleration".
Maybe I'm wrong but I'll very surprised if some of them have better speed than Ati Rage 128.

Rage 128 HAS hardware acceleration and Mpeg decoder on some models

[MacTron]

Rage 128 HAS hardware acceleration and Mpeg decoder on some models

Yes, I know.
But what's the point on using those 9800 & Geforce 6800 cards, if −as I think− they don't performs better than a very basic Rage 128 in Mac Os 9?

[supernova777]

i understand what you are saying mactron.. and it was my doubt/concern aswell...
but the only way to know is to boot up to os9 with radeon 9800 pro or geforce 6800 GT
i had read that with radeon 9800 u cant even change the graphics properly (resolution)
and that it coems up with whatever u had it set at last with a proper supported card

[Protools5LEGuy]

But what's the point on using those 9800 & Geforce 6800 cards, if −as I think− they don't performs better than a very basic Rage 128 in Mac Os 9?

The only point is dual boot on X. If you are a PURE OS9 player, better a 3Dfx for games or a Promax DH for image accuracy.

[MacTron]

The only point is dual boot on X.

Os X? OK, Sorry, but that isn't my war

If you are a PURE OS9 player, better a 3Dfx for games or a Promax DH for image accuracy.

I think the 3Dfx is way slower than a Ti4600, but the Promax DH can be faster than a Ti 4600 on Mac Os 9? just curious.

[Protools5LEGuy]

Faster? I will try when I receive my MDD 866 w PROMAX  DH.   
The topic is called Best not fastest 
Image accuracy is something closest to best than fastest. I think.
There were (at least on PC) some well optimized games that run faster on 3dfx than nvidia. I remember Dungeon Keeper 2 as one of them.
Voodoo 3000 or 4500 was easily flashed to mac on the day.

For OS9 DieHard users the BEST Graphics card should be an OS9 only card for not having the temptation to boot X. I feel 3dfx and PROMAX DH are good examples.