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[IIO]

there were also that fourth type who does not have visible caps at all, but i could never re-find it on ebay.

[teroyk]

so, after i´ve moved them back from intel minis to the g4 minis i can now finally confirm:

m.2 WD Green 240 Gb via "white case" ide2m2 in a mini

ide2m2 ??

I think he use something like these: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5447.msg40358.html#msg40358

I have tested Kingston M.2 128 MB in that kind of unnamed adapter (bought about 2018 from some french ebay seller), working good in Powerbook G3 PDQ with 8.1-9.2.2, but some strange problems:
- You cannot install OSX 10.0-10.2 in it, waiting looooong time to write first installation files and then kernel panic. (I know that boot partitions has to be under first 8 GB)
- Choosing to boot another MacOS version hang current Mac OS 9.2.2 and you need boot CD to choose to boot another version. Choosing between MacOS 8.1 and 8.6 works fine.

[Angel]

Installed (2) Crucial, BX 500 SSDs’s (480GB & 1000GB) in Mac Minis here - w/o failures.
*But not with capacitor-ed adapters like the ADP-06, RXD-629A7-7 or JP103-5 varieties.

The machine is the Beige G3 and the adapter is the JP103-5. Now i'm trying to modify it installing bigger capacitors (up to 1000uF 25V). Only must find a sacrifical machine...
Il problem, i think is related to excessive power requirement during write operations which are unsustainable for the adapter.
Maybe "modern" ides with newer ata standards pretend less current so the capacitors can recover just in time, obviously any normal mechanical sata disk doesn't have these claims.

Finally if nether will go fine i'll try with a mSata Adapter but must find something with IDE socket at 40 pin not 44 pin (another adapter between ? no thanks)

[IIO]

as for the "heat" and "power" releated discussions, dont forget that 1.) in a mac mini we are only using around 10% of the I/O capabilities of the SSDs itself adn 2. the usual 2.5" SSDs also have airtight enclosures.

[pixitha]

Startech SATA to IDE adapter, Red PCB (not sure which model beyond that?), with Samsung 850 EVO 500GB boots just fine for MacOS9.2.2 and OSX 10.4/5 and Sorbet. Also sharing the bus with the original 40G PATA drive.

On a MDD Dual1Ghz G4.

[VicNor]

Sandisk SSD Plus 120 Gb via StarTech IDE-SATA adaptor works great with Mac OS 9.2.2 on an iMac G3 (slotloaded). The SSD was an impulse buy since it was on clearance (~€25)

[ScooberDiver]

For anyone working with a Mac Mini G4, this adapter worked fine for me once I switched to a Samsung M.2 SATA SSD. The two Sandisk M.2 SATA SSDs I tried gave me trouble. I'll try to track down the model numbers. I don't feel like cracking open those Mac Mini cases again. LOL

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z67GX6W

Apple didn't support OS9 on the Mac Mini G4 but this custom build works great.
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4365.msg30502.html

With OSX, the Sandisk ones would report S.M.A.R.T. issues and most strangely, the computer had all the symptoms of a dead battery (!). The clock wouldn't run while powered off / it would lose the boot information and required a PRAM reset every time you powered up, if you wanted it to load the OS. It was bizarre!

[ScooberDiver]

The web site won't let me edit my previous post. Here are the part numbers.

Sandisk # SD8SN8U-256G-1006 has a problem with the adapter.

Samsung # MZNLN256HMHQ-000H1 works fine.

They are both 256GB M.2 SATA SSD.

[smilesdavis]

where is the "list"? can we bundle all combined knowlege in a sticky list vogons style? and the sata ide adapters that work(also for international buyers)?

im trying to get a sata ide adapter but the startech costs more than any of my mdds even the one with 1.8ghz sonnez upgrade

[IIO]

https://cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/sheet/#/2/sheet/view/1+nYaqG8bS9pbhPSX4tl-Oc+GSP7sWTcztT6ve3jar4/embed/

[DM1311]

Booting on a 250GB 840 EVO on a Beige G3 333 with Sil3112 SATA PCI card works fine here.
Made an 8GB boot partition and 2 others split evenly.

[smilesdavis]

this one from aliexpress? https://bit.ly/3SX2fDB
im desperately looking for a sata controller for my eight g4s right now, does it work or do i need to flash it or something

[torvan]

New discovery--just installed 9.2.2 and a few apps on a TeamForce 1TB SSD connected to the Sonnet Tempo PCI SATA card on my 2002 G4 Dual 1.0 GHz.  Drive Setup saw it, partitioned it, and installed the OS.

OS9 sees it as SCSI Bus 0, just so you are aware when you have other SCSI devices. . . . .

[smilesdavis]

New discovery--just installed 9.2.2 and a few apps on a TeamForce 1TB SSD connected to the Sonnet Tempo PCI SATA card on my 2002 G4 Dual 1.0 GHz.  Drive Setup saw it, partitioned it, and installed the OS.

OS9 sees it as SCSI Bus 0, just so you are aware when you have other SCSI devices. . . . .

Tempo Serial ATA (2x) or Tempo Serial ATA x4?

pricey 250-800 eur for that card alone these days

[ivanshpak]

New discovery--just installed 9.2.2 and a few apps on a TeamForce 1TB SSD connected to the Sonnet Tempo PCI SATA card on my 2002 G4 Dual 1.0 GHz.  Drive Setup saw it, partitioned it, and installed the OS.

OS9 sees it as SCSI Bus 0, just so you are aware when you have other SCSI devices. . . . .

By the way, SCSI Bus 0 in this case concerns only a specific controller, other SCSI devices on another PCI bus can also be with SCSI bus 0

[IIO]

SATA disks are always "SCSI" in OS9 and "IDE" in OSX.

it might be unavoidable, but it often seems not very average-user friendly how apple OS is talking to us.

i already go mad when i am asking the OS version number via gestalt in max/msp. this mixture of hex, decimal and binary you get from gestalt is completely unneccesary.

and whoever´s fault this is, but it is not ideal that some PCI cards simply show as "unknown" in the profiler app.

[Aliotech1]

This combo works well :
Tested in an iBook G3 and a Mac Mini G4, both are accepting it flawlessly in OSX + OS9 :

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00F53W6J0?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details ( KALEA INFORMATIQUE © - Adaptateur mSATA vers IDE 44 (IDE 2.5") - pour SSD Mini PCIe de Type mSATA )

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07GMD5R7M?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details ( Transcend 128 Go SATA III 6 Go/s MSA230S mSATA SSD 230S Solid State Drive TS128GMSA230S )

[FBz]

Thanks Aliotech1… and welcome to the Forum!

Would you download and run QuickBench (for OS 9) and XBench (for versions of OS X)
and provide those results for your mSATA combination?
(Both benchmarking apps attached - bottom, below.)

AND perhaps WHAT we all should have been doing here all along…
-post your benchmark results and specific info about your machine?

For Instance:
Here’s QuickBench results for…

PowerBook G3 Lombard / 400 MHz / 256MB (RAM)
80 GB Seagate Momentus 4200.2 Ultra ATA 2.5” HDD / 7200 RPM




AND, a similar example from:

G4 Mac Mini / 1.25 GHz / 512 MB (RAM)
128 GB Inland SSD with an AS331 v1.5 SATA adapter



And if you are also running a version of OS X (in this case OS 10.4) run XBench.
Here are those XBench results from the same Mac mini noted above.

         

[vespertine]

I make my contribution.

G4 QuickSilver 2001 with PCI SATA Sonnet Tempo Card
OWC Mercury Electra 3G 500GB

- Tiger Boot Flawlessly
- OS9 see the disk but does not boot (tried everything, apple partitioning is on, installed os9 drivers with Disk Utility on Tiger, Blessed the System Folder both with the other running OS9, and with bless command on Tiger, I even switched the cables on the card).

Is not a big deal for me since I use the disk essentially for data, but I am a bit disappointed. probably is an incompatibility between Sonnet Firmware and new OWC drives ? Could you suggest me some legacy drives from OWC that boot (on SATA Sonnet) MAC OS )

I highly suspect that if I put an IDE to SATA adapter that disk would boot nicely on system 9, do you agree ?

cheer,
paolo from Italy

PS
while writing I'm wondering if I wrongly exceeded the size limit for a bootable drive in OS9.
I vaguely remember 190GB limit for drives, 128GB is an hardware limit of ATA66 bus that sould be overridden by SATA adapter, tomorrow I will tried repartitioning

[aBc]

A couple of things…

Some individuals still install OS 9 and OS X on the very same single partition. I often fail to remember this. But this is not the situation here, correct?

You have two partitions on the OWC Electra 3G 500 GB and you’ve installed OS 9 on the first partition? And THAT partition is 190 GB or less? Leaving the remainder for other partition(s)?

If not… then you might try re-partitioning and then re-installing OS 9 on that (now) 190 GB or less partition. [I normally will make such a partition targeted for a bootable OS 9, 120 GB or so. Again, this is something that you might try.]

AND some have reported other such SATA controllers (like the Sonnet) having difficulties with Quicksilvers. So maybe try the above re-partitioning of the 500 GB OWC and only install OS 9 on the first partition to test this scenario. If it works with a smaller size partition for OS 9 — then perhaps you can load up (install) Tiger, etc. on the other partition(s) afterwards.