List of SSDs that works with Mac Os 9

[IIO]

ide2m2 ??

this style.

they are mostly white, sometimes black, and exist for 2280 as well as msata. starting at USD 10 and easily fit into a mini.

the delock clamp is 3 mm thicker and 30 dollars.^^

[Jubadub]

Samsung Evo 860 "probably" DON'T works on Mac Os 9 (tested is needed)

Most likely works, as the higher-end MLC version, Samsung PRO 860, works on my MDD (with Marvell-based SATA-to-IDE adapter) under 9.2.2.

2TB version, no less.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-SATA-Internal-MZ-76P2T0BW/dp/B07879KC15

I also got the EVO version in mSATA form factor (with a non-Marvell adapter) on my PowerBook 15" DLSD working just fine, but that machine isn't running OS9 yet, so that doesn't count, but may be worth mentioning.

I'd like to try the 4TB PRO version on the MDD with OS9 someday, but I'm not confident that would work, simply due to drive (not partition) size. But I later realized that it's likely better to buy multiple 256 GB SSDs and configure them as a single partition with RAID 0, as far as optimal speed is concerned. No idea what RAID 0 software for OS 9 is available for this purpose, though, if any. Any ideas/pointers?

[IIO]

raid? the 860 pro has some 500/500 read/write speed, which is 4 times higher than the IDE bus you are connected it to.

but feel free to try that proposed 4TB method, we are waiting for someone who can do a practice test.

[Jubadub]

raid? the 860 pro has some 500/500 read/write speed, which is 4 times higher than the IDE bus you are connected it to.

Yes, but put 2 SDDs in 2 separate IDE buses with a single RAID 0 partition, and you got yourself IDE speeds x 2. Add PCI SATA cards, and you got yourself 3, 4 etc. buses, all writing to and reading from in parallel.

That's the theory, anyway, and we need RAID 0 software for it to work. I believe it likely exists for OS 9, but would have to look.

PPC OS X has built-in RAID 0 support which works that way. I just don't invest on that instead because, well, it's not Mac OS.

[IIO]

yeah that what i was thinking, for IDE there is no software solution foir OS9.

btw. i have read a few reports from people which said that using an SSD with OS9 or with very slow OSX PPC machines would have made the performance of other componenty sloppy.

say like dropouts in games or choppy video.

so eventually it is not the best idea to max out your mass storage speeds when you dont have a good bunch of RAM in your machine? or what other reasons could cause that symptome?

[Jubadub]

What about SCSI RAID 0 software solutions? Got any names? As you may already know, SATA support for OS9 in SATA cards is done by tricking the OS into recognizing them as SCSI cards, to eliminate the need for drivers.

"Drop out in games" and/or "choppy video" from mere SSD use is simply impossible. Even if the SSD was finally about to die, and that was to interfere, it would outright crash the game, video player and/or the OS. If anything, it would have the opposite effect, because less energy is drawn from the PSU and less heat is generated, in case components started lacking the required energy, and/or started getting too hot to properly function.

Have had an SSD on the mini since the beginning, and my MDD is also functioning better than ever with this monstrous SSD. Not even once did I experience any such issues, and I played all sorts of games extensively, from Diablo II and Battlin' Babe to Escape Velocity, Mars Rising and Marathon. Same for OSX PPC, for an even longer period of time.

The cause(s) is(are) certainly elsewhere. I.e. bad displays being used, bad GPUs, usage of virtual memory etc.. It'd be relevant to know what machines are being used, exactly, too. It could very well be the machine simply doesn't meet the game or video requirements from the beginning, like a slow processor or slow GPU. (And, no, storage capacity doesn't change RAM requirements in any significant, if even in any, way.)

There's also the issue that some people call microSDs or Compact Flash (CF) drives "SSD". Although that still shouldn't cause those specific problems. Although it may be worthwhile to know what drive adapters they may be using.

In short, assuming the reports are real or accurate, there is without doubt misattribution to the cause of the problems. We can actually try troubleshooting them if you provide links to them. Only issue is that it'd be a bit offtopic, because it's not SSD-related.

[IIO]

no these people were not available to troubleshoot their problems. would have loved to discuss it.

about scsi raid, what software would that be? and what would happen with a software raid solution when you boot into OSX?

[Jubadub]

and what would happen with a software raid solution when you boot into OSX?

Using an OS9 RAID solution, then booting into OSX? That's actually a very good question... I'm assuming at worst it would not recognize the drives and ask for them to be reformatted, and at best, it would recognize them like a single drive just fine, but that depends on how it really works behind the scenes.

But first, we would need some OS9 RAID software. I will try to have a look next weekend, I'm sure I can find something...

[IIO]

switching to SSDs via ide adapter in my main quicksilver next week, wish me luck.

[dajhorn]

This works:

• Generic JMicron JM20330 bridge adapter. (From M.2 SATA to 2.5" PATA.)
• Kingspec NT-128 M.2 SATA 128GB SSD.

Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger are both bootable, and the adapter reports sensible metadata like SMART status.

This upgrade seems to max-out the IDE port in the Mac Mini G4. Both parts together cost less than $50 delivered in September 2020.

[tuxedojack]

I have a 120GB Samsung PM830 working in my Cube now via a Sabrent mSATA to SATA adapter (which is then daisy-chained to a Kingwin SATA-to-IDE adapter).

[ToddH]

ide2m2 ??

this style.

they are mostly white, sometimes black, and exist for 2280 as well as msata. starting at USD 10 and easily fit into a mini.

the delock clamp is 3 mm thicker and 30 dollars.^^

I just purchased one of these with a 128 GB mSATA SSD. Is it better to leave the white case on or off? Wondering about any heat issues.

[IIO]

i really dont know. i´ve put mine in (i´ve paid for it so i use it) but it probably works without.

what the case definetely does it that it protects the board and the ssd while you assemble the machine. and who knows, maybe it it also useful in case you drop the mini on the floor.

[ToddH]

Will leave on then. Thanks. 

[DrNo7]

I just purchased one of these with a 128 GB mSATA SSD. Is it better to leave the white case on or off? Wondering about any heat issues.

Got a similar one for my powerbook and was concerned about temperature. As the thread for the screws to keep it in position were on the plastic part, I was not comfortable to put it in without (I don't have a double-sided tape that I would trust).

So the halfway point for me was to drill the plastic part to make it look like swiss cheese !

Not having a temperature probe at the SSD level I cannot provide any data to help compare the solutions.
As usual,whatever you are comfortable with should be fine (worst case scenario you will have to re-open the Mac to change the setup if it really does not work well).

[Hopfenholz]

Thought it was worth noting that I am using the Dogfish MSATA 128GB drive with a cheap eBay IDE adapter and it seems to work fine HOWEVER FireWire target Disk mode no longer works - black screen, nothing happens.

This is on a PowerBook G4 12” 1.5Ghz. Due to the design of the HDD connector cable I have no ability to jumper the adapter to Master.

Transcend SSD 30GB works perfectly on TiBook 500MHz, but again FW target disk mode did not work (and machine would hang on wake from sleep) until I jumpered the drive to Master. Now everything works fine.

FW target disk mode makes these old macs a lot more usable when configuring etc so thought it was worth noting.

[xerograph]

But first, we would need some OS9 RAID software. I will try to have a look next weekend, I'm sure I can find something...

I use CharisMac RAID PPC V2.52 as software-RAID 1 solution with two SSD at Acard and Sonnet sATA adapters for over ten years now.
the computers were G3 b/w, G4 Quicksilver and G4/MDD with system 9.2.2.
Built 5 or 6 systems in this configuration. never had any problems. RAID 0 is also possible.

[GuiBer]

Here is my experience with my PowerMac G4 MDD 400FW with a converter PATA to SATA to allow the installation of a SSD drive in the PMac.

I bought a Startech converter card (https://www.startech.com/en-us/hdd/ide2sat2  US$ 24,99) and I connected first an SSD Crucial BX300 120GB and after a SanDisk Plus 240GB.
Both SSD was formatted with Mac OS Tiger 10.4 and Disk Utility, partitioning (Apple Format) them in 3 volumes and installing OS9 drives. Jumper set to Cable Select.
In the first partition then I installed OS X Leopard, in the second OS X Tiger and in the third OS 9.2.2.
Well, everything works great and I can switch and boot from every partition.

The benchmarks I got with Hard Disk SpeedTools 3.7 are (both SSD had similar results on the ATA/100 channel) :  read 64mb/s - write 60mb/s (standard test) and read 89mb/s - write 87mb/s (extended test).
Always using the same bus ATA/100, a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9  ATA/133 (120GB) has achieved 43/34 (standard) and 46/42 (extended).
In my opinion, for the price and the characteristics the Startech card is a really good purchase for a Mac G3/G4 and maybe G5.

[refinery]

In my opinion, for the price and the characteristics the Startech card is a really good purchase for a Mac G3/G4 and maybe G5.

might be a viable option given the onboard sata in the G5 is *very* picky about what SSDs it will work with.

[pmj]

G4 PowerBook Titanium DVI 1Gb / 667MHz
Docooler mSATA to IDE enclosure (black plastic housing and PCB w/ JM20330 chip)
SunBow mSATA 120Gb M3 SSD

Format via Drive Setup 1.9.2 and restore via the MacOS9Lives ASR.  Booting 9.2.2 fine and working fast and smoothly so far 

[Gaz]

I was finally able to make my long dead G4 MDD 867 work again with Instant Daw (Awesome image btw!) now up and running !
Booting from a cheap Lexar NS100 256 GB with the red startech adapter! These days I should get another cheap PNY SSD to test with the cheap green chinese adapter!

UPDATE: The cheap green chinese IDE\SATA Adapter (old one not the RXD-629A7-7)  is likely defective, or at least I can't boot from the same Lexar disk that works with the startech!

[Gaz]

Ok, I can confirm that the cheap PNY CS900 120 GB boots in OS9 just fine, although must be noted that his advertised speed data (rw 500mb/sec) are far from truth ( about 300 mb/sec) from what I benchmarked.
This is not a problem with G4s/G3s as the bottleneck is in the sata card, the pci bus, ide bus or in the ide to sata converter, but If you want to reuse the disk on a more modern machine is a big no no!

[w3sl33]

Before my MDD stopped working I was getting around 50mps with the Kingwin and OWC Elektra on the 100ata and 30mps on the 66

[Angel]

Before trying the SD Adapter way, i've tested a Crucial BX 120GB with an IDE/SATA Adapter ever connected to the standard controller.

There i've been crushed versus really bad sys crash (all dead, rom routine too) during write tests but there the problem seem related only to adapter's capacitors. I've tested two different of them with different capacitors' values and i'm pretty sure the smaller one kill the machine faster than the second one.

If you are using a device like these, who are their maker ? What values can you see on the capacitors so i will try to modify my ?

[FBz]

Which Mac did you install in and which IDE/SATA adapter specifically?
(Pics of your adapters would be great).

Installed (2) Crucial, BX 500 SSDs’s (480GB & 1000GB) in Mac Minis here - w/o failures.
*But not with capacitor-ed adapters like the ADP-06, RXD-629A7-7 or JP103-5 varieties.
If none of these above adapters, please advise. AND - both of yours... kill your Mac?

PM me.

[IIO]

there were also that fourth type who does not have visible caps at all, but i could never re-find it on ebay.

[teroyk]

so, after i´ve moved them back from intel minis to the g4 minis i can now finally confirm:

m.2 WD Green 240 Gb via "white case" ide2m2 in a mini

ide2m2 ??

I think he use something like these: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5447.msg40358.html#msg40358

I have tested Kingston M.2 128 MB in that kind of unnamed adapter (bought about 2018 from some french ebay seller), working good in Powerbook G3 PDQ with 8.1-9.2.2, but some strange problems:
- You cannot install OSX 10.0-10.2 in it, waiting looooong time to write first installation files and then kernel panic. (I know that boot partitions has to be under first 8 GB)
- Choosing to boot another MacOS version hang current Mac OS 9.2.2 and you need boot CD to choose to boot another version. Choosing between MacOS 8.1 and 8.6 works fine.

[Angel]

Installed (2) Crucial, BX 500 SSDs’s (480GB & 1000GB) in Mac Minis here - w/o failures.
*But not with capacitor-ed adapters like the ADP-06, RXD-629A7-7 or JP103-5 varieties.

The machine is the Beige G3 and the adapter is the JP103-5. Now i'm trying to modify it installing bigger capacitors (up to 1000uF 25V). Only must find a sacrifical machine...
Il problem, i think is related to excessive power requirement during write operations which are unsustainable for the adapter.
Maybe "modern" ides with newer ata standards pretend less current so the capacitors can recover just in time, obviously any normal mechanical sata disk doesn't have these claims.

Finally if nether will go fine i'll try with a mSata Adapter but must find something with IDE socket at 40 pin not 44 pin (another adapter between ? no thanks)

[IIO]

as for the "heat" and "power" releated discussions, dont forget that 1.) in a mac mini we are only using around 10% of the I/O capabilities of the SSDs itself adn 2. the usual 2.5" SSDs also have airtight enclosures.

[pixitha]

Startech SATA to IDE adapter, Red PCB (not sure which model beyond that?), with Samsung 850 EVO 500GB boots just fine for MacOS9.2.2 and OSX 10.4/5 and Sorbet. Also sharing the bus with the original 40G PATA drive.

On a MDD Dual1Ghz G4.

[VicNor]

Sandisk SSD Plus 120 Gb via StarTech IDE-SATA adaptor works great with Mac OS 9.2.2 on an iMac G3 (slotloaded). The SSD was an impulse buy since it was on clearance (~€25)

[ScooberDiver]

For anyone working with a Mac Mini G4, this adapter worked fine for me once I switched to a Samsung M.2 SATA SSD. The two Sandisk M.2 SATA SSDs I tried gave me trouble. I'll try to track down the model numbers. I don't feel like cracking open those Mac Mini cases again. LOL

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z67GX6W

Apple didn't support OS9 on the Mac Mini G4 but this custom build works great.
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4365.msg30502.html

With OSX, the Sandisk ones would report S.M.A.R.T. issues and most strangely, the computer had all the symptoms of a dead battery (!). The clock wouldn't run while powered off / it would lose the boot information and required a PRAM reset every time you powered up, if you wanted it to load the OS. It was bizarre!

[ScooberDiver]

The web site won't let me edit my previous post. Here are the part numbers.

Sandisk # SD8SN8U-256G-1006 has a problem with the adapter.

Samsung # MZNLN256HMHQ-000H1 works fine.

They are both 256GB M.2 SATA SSD.

[smilesdavis]

where is the "list"? can we bundle all combined knowlege in a sticky list vogons style? and the sata ide adapters that work(also for international buyers)?

im trying to get a sata ide adapter but the startech costs more than any of my mdds even the one with 1.8ghz sonnez upgrade

[IIO]

https://cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/sheet/#/2/sheet/view/1+nYaqG8bS9pbhPSX4tl-Oc+GSP7sWTcztT6ve3jar4/embed/

[DM1311]

Booting on a 250GB 840 EVO on a Beige G3 333 with Sil3112 SATA PCI card works fine here.
Made an 8GB boot partition and 2 others split evenly.

[smilesdavis]

this one from aliexpress? https://bit.ly/3SX2fDB
im desperately looking for a sata controller for my eight g4s right now, does it work or do i need to flash it or something

[torvan]

New discovery--just installed 9.2.2 and a few apps on a TeamForce 1TB SSD connected to the Sonnet Tempo PCI SATA card on my 2002 G4 Dual 1.0 GHz.  Drive Setup saw it, partitioned it, and installed the OS.

OS9 sees it as SCSI Bus 0, just so you are aware when you have other SCSI devices. . . . .

[smilesdavis]

New discovery--just installed 9.2.2 and a few apps on a TeamForce 1TB SSD connected to the Sonnet Tempo PCI SATA card on my 2002 G4 Dual 1.0 GHz.  Drive Setup saw it, partitioned it, and installed the OS.

OS9 sees it as SCSI Bus 0, just so you are aware when you have other SCSI devices. . . . .

Tempo Serial ATA (2x) or Tempo Serial ATA x4?

pricey 250-800 eur for that card alone these days

[ivanshpak]

New discovery--just installed 9.2.2 and a few apps on a TeamForce 1TB SSD connected to the Sonnet Tempo PCI SATA card on my 2002 G4 Dual 1.0 GHz.  Drive Setup saw it, partitioned it, and installed the OS.

OS9 sees it as SCSI Bus 0, just so you are aware when you have other SCSI devices. . . . .

By the way, SCSI Bus 0 in this case concerns only a specific controller, other SCSI devices on another PCI bus can also be with SCSI bus 0

[IIO]

SATA disks are always "SCSI" in OS9 and "IDE" in OSX.

it might be unavoidable, but it often seems not very average-user friendly how apple OS is talking to us.

i already go mad when i am asking the OS version number via gestalt in max/msp. this mixture of hex, decimal and binary you get from gestalt is completely unneccesary.

and whoever´s fault this is, but it is not ideal that some PCI cards simply show as "unknown" in the profiler app.

[Aliotech1]

This combo works well :
Tested in an iBook G3 and a Mac Mini G4, both are accepting it flawlessly in OSX + OS9 :

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00F53W6J0?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details ( KALEA INFORMATIQUE © - Adaptateur mSATA vers IDE 44 (IDE 2.5") - pour SSD Mini PCIe de Type mSATA )

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07GMD5R7M?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details ( Transcend 128 Go SATA III 6 Go/s MSA230S mSATA SSD 230S Solid State Drive TS128GMSA230S )

[FBz]

Thanks Aliotech1… and welcome to the Forum!

Would you download and run QuickBench (for OS 9) and XBench (for versions of OS X)
and provide those results for your mSATA combination?
(Both benchmarking apps attached - bottom, below.)

AND perhaps WHAT we all should have been doing here all along…
-post your benchmark results and specific info about your machine?

For Instance:
Here’s QuickBench results for…

PowerBook G3 Lombard / 400 MHz / 256MB (RAM)
80 GB Seagate Momentus 4200.2 Ultra ATA 2.5” HDD / 7200 RPM




AND, a similar example from:

G4 Mac Mini / 1.25 GHz / 512 MB (RAM)
128 GB Inland SSD with an AS331 v1.5 SATA adapter



And if you are also running a version of OS X (in this case OS 10.4) run XBench.
Here are those XBench results from the same Mac mini noted above.