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[DieHard]

If that happens maybe you guys can save a room for me

[torvan]

First, the American people do not elect the President. Common misunderstanding here, amplified by the way said election is covered by the media.

What they do is elect the Electoral College.  It is that group of people who elect the President. They meet on December 19th this year. The Electors are not legally bound to vote for the candidate that was the top vote getter in the state they represent, but they do traditionally. When they don't, they are called "Faithless Electors" and are subject to the laws of the state they represent.

The last time the Electoral College had Faithless Electors was in the election of 2000.

Second, as a member of a given minority (gay male) I am terrified at what I see just a few days after the Election of 11/08/16. A number of attacks on people of minority status, KKK rallies, white supremacist speeches, Redoubt sales (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Redoubt) for that, and other such items.

I have seen people attacked myself, just for being gay or lesbian. I have seen trans folks beaten on the street (I was in an elevator at the time), I have read how non-whites are being abused vocally and their proiperty defaced.

It is like Trump has sanctioned such behavior by saying he would dismantle same sex marriage and the like. He also has not condemned these horrific actions, giving tacit support to them. He seems to want to undo 20 years of human rights advances.

This is why, in liberal cities, you are seeing protests and riots. It is why you are seeing ballot measures gathering signatures for secession in Calfornia, Oregon, and Washington. It is why you are seeing pro-independence groups like Cascadia and Calexit being formed and growing in membership.

In no way do we want to return to those dark times.

[IIO]

As we see things from here, Mrs Clinton is the candidate of Goldmann Sachs and we think we will better off with Mr. Trump.

and what do you think which bank is trump the cadidate of? does it make a difference which bank?

his first aim is to withdraw the recent financial market regulations - the rest he says is just for show.

In France the media are 100% for Mrs Clinton, up the point it's kind of ridiculous.

in germany we had a survey where 7% voted for trump and 53% for clinton.

this means that 60% of the germans still would vote for capitalism. so that they have something to complain about, which is a widespread hobby here across the whole policical spectrum.

what i find more interesting is that 6% of the böack US citizens also voted for trump. this probably means that 6% of all colored people are mentally deranged...

[Steve_W]

In the UK, I was like "F**K TRUMP"

Don't get me wrong, I still think that & also the same to Hillary.

But Trump has mellowed as soon as he got it... he didn't slag Hillary off, he just congratulated her!

I wonder if he might actually turn out to be OK?

[torvan]

I don't think he is being all that mellow to be honest. He appointed that alt-right Breitbart News head as his Chief Advisor. That brings in a white nationalist, anti-Jewish, anti-gay and bigoted man to the closest position of a president. Not to mention the appointment of the head of the Republican party.

Sigh. White power folks have been attacking people and churches all across the country.

I come from German immigrants who watched the National Socialists come to power. I come from a family that fought against the Russians in World War II and three uncles (Kurt, Gierhardt, and Georg) who died on that front. My grandparents helped with bombed refugees and manned bomb shelters. They watched the Jews be herded into Ghettos never to be heard from again, they knew of people whom the Gestapo came for, people who spent time in the camps or police cellars but would never speak about it when they were released.  They serve as a warning to us all about what happens when the radical right take over government. It is important to note that Hitler also came to power legally through an appointment by President Hindenburg--just as Trump has been legally elected (assuming the Electoral College votes as they have for a century). 

But I cannot just roll over and make nice with the half that voted the other way—the fact Trump was to destroy my marriage and his vice president wants to make it a crime to have a same sex marriage means I can in no way just roll over and be nice with that half. I have to be angry and fight to keep the rights that others take for granted. That means not just accepting the results, it means fighting with them. Both my husband Jason and I feel that we are being faced with the same battles we fought in the 1990s ad 2000s. During that particular war, we in no way accepted the opposite side and we did not just reconcile with them—we had to fight for two decades, both against them and against the system itself. 

I do not know if anyone saw Episcopal Bishop Edgar Budde’s comments on one of his parish church’s vandalism episode, and how it was not the first and how anti-American it is. This is yet another reason to not just accept the results and make nice with everyone, as some folks are saying we have to do.

I could go on, but the fact Trump appointed Breitbart news head Stephen Branning as his chief strategist and senior counselor speaks volumes about his support of the alt right, white nationalism, and anti-Semitism. The protestors recognize these very feelings and facts, that is why we have had a week of nightly protests centered around a group called Portland Resistance--and why I am seriously going to join them.

[dr bu]

diehard, would you comment on torvan's posts?

[DieHard]

We are all intelligent people who can certainly validate our opinions.  Right now is a time of uncertainty and division in the US that our media loves to feed on.

The fact that change is needed is felt by at least half US the population, but there is also a strong need for division to be squashed, minorities DO have rights in the US, BUT many undocumented people that enter the country in an illegal manner strain our system and then have the opinion that they have the rights of both the natural born citizens and those that worked so hard to obtain citizenship in the legal manner, they do NOT.  Minorities, whether ethnic or sexual orientation, should have the same rights and non-minority citizens, that is NOT the argument that many have put forth in this election. The argument was to take care of a ALL citizens first, to put energy and jobs before the "George Soros" agenda, to eliminate the bad trade deals that have made so many politicians personally rich and take back the country.

To see them protest, and then to see the US keep known criminals here as "Sanctuary Cities" in exchange for the votes of these criminals endangers citizens and is a ridiculous argument.  Holding hands and singing "Kumbaya" has basically lost popularity here over the last 8 years. Nationalism does NOT have to equate with "Natzism". Pride does NOT have to equate with minority bashing, and political correctness that defies logic and the protection of American Citizens is a fucking joke for those who have lost all they have from a system bends over backwards to socialistic values, and rewarding those who choose not to work and create a welfare state.

Just an opinion   Now get back to creating music... I hate politics

[Syntho]

DH said it a lot nicer than I would have