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[nickmt]

oh didn't see you posted about the megawolf - thanks!

[supernova777]

hope it was you that bought it... because i wanted to buy it and didnt to leave it avail for u

[supernova777]

nick how old are you man?
no offense but u sound quite lost with all this mac os stuff

the problem with the icons your talking about, u have to rebuild your desktop file
im pretty sure i had already linked how to do this but i believe u hold command (apple key) and option when u boot up and it will up with a pop up asking u if it should rebuld the desktop file which has to do with icons + file assocations etc u want to say yes and wait while it does this.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en-CA&source=hp&q=rebuild+desktop+file+mac+os+9&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1

^^ read many articles on this here

[nickmt]

I did buy the Megawolf.  Thank you VERY much for holding off, and if it doesn't work you got it.

Rebuild desk top - yes - you suggested so when I crashed the extensions folder.  It didn't work in that instance. but I'll give it a try for the ap/util icons rebuild once I get rebooted.

Yes, I'm a true OS9 novice.  I came to mac a little late after having several pc's.  Bought the G4 ten years ago, and used OSX until now.  Never had issues like these with X, and never wanted to become more involved with computers than using them get my work done.

And I'd have been only a so so computer student, as orthodox linear processing has never been my brain's strong suit. Probably why I'm a photographer.  What age has to do with it is beyond me also.  Unless I seem senile to you, and that would be bad, as I'm 53.  I hope that answers whatever it is you were asking for.

[supernova777]

honestly i think your problems will likely be solved by the megawolf.

the problem is your using a device from 1998 or before thats built to use with
technologies that were dropped due to the invention of usb! clearly the keyspans are
a hack job and not a true 100% adapter. the megawolf will provide you with a proper serial
port as it would have existed on a beige g3 + previous generation macs
and you should be good to go!

good luck!

[supernova777]

For modem-to-serial conversion on Blue & White G3 and G4, Digidesign currently supports the Griffin gPort, g4Port and the GeeThree Stealth Port, Stealth Port for G4 - AGP video, and Stealth Port for Dual Processor G4s.

For USB-to-serial conversion, Digidesign qualifies the Keyspan USB Serial Adapter USA-28X with driver v1.6 or higher. Firmware updates are available.

is this the model that you have? the usa-28x ?? it says you need to have the firmware updated + driver 1.6 or higher for proper midi serial functioning... perhaps this could help you out? perhaps its a driver malfunction? or perhaps you dont have the driver installed at all?

[supernova777]

What age has to do with it is beyond me also.  Unless I seem senile to you, and that would be bad, as I'm 53.  I hope that answers whatever it is you were asking for.

i was thinking you were too young to have learned this stuff when it was "current info" 10 years ago;)

[supernova777]

need to run the diagnostic software via the usb/serial adapter, emulating a modem port, in order to initialize the new hard drive. I'm using a Keyspan Twin serial adaptor, as per instructions.  It USB plugs into the G4, and as two serial ports at the other end.

are u plugging this usb cable into one of the ports on the back of the machine? or one of the ports on the keyboard? dont use the keyboard ports. that could be the problem.

The #2 port gets serial cabled directly to the Dicolite, which is the proper port for emulating a modem adaptor.  I have set its permissions to operate that way, as per instructions, in the Keyspan Twin control panel on the G4.  All cabling and hardware looks good. I also checked the serial wiring inside the Dicolite.  The Keyspan twin is an older model # 28.  Not the latest 28xg, or even the 28x. I can't find documentation on the 28 at all,  but Tripplite, the company that now manages Keyspan products, believes it should work, if not broken. I got it seemingly new, in an unopened box, from ebay.  I installed the driver Tripplite recommend.

which version of the driver did u have installed? i have read documents from digidesign saying that they only support this product with driver veresion 1.6 or higher, (need to recheck + confirm 1.6 but it was 1. something)

Perhaps the Keyspan Twin is no good.  This is the second Keyspan Twin I've tried.  I thought the first one was broken, and threw it out.  My engineer says it's seems like a G4/OS9 issue.

dont throw it out!! these things are buggy and im pretty sure its because of a poorly written driver or bug
the device most likely has nothing wrong with it.

I do have a friend with an old Mac running OS7, which has serial ports, but that probably won't run the diagnostic software for testing. 

youd be surprised, most of those machines can run up to os 9.1
check this chart here to see which versions the old mac would run:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1835
rememeber this software is most likely from the age of the beige macs which is why it runs on the serial port its not supposed to be this difficult to do what your trying to do.. imho apple was really stupid for totally forgoing serial to usb and their stupid decision is waht screwed alot of people trying to use 90s technology with 2000s computers, they are the ones that set us up for this incompatibility. thanks steve

I guess my first question is how do I insure nothing else is trying to use the modem?  Probably more questions after that, but any thoughts will be appreciated very sincerely!

like i said before i doubt thats really ocurring, its most likely a driver problem.
u have to get sherlock holmes hat on and find the proper driver version from the proper time
using http://web.archive.org and tapping the right site from the right date+ time will find your driver most likely.

check out this post:
http://duc.avid.com/archive/index.php/t-16571.html
it mentions a problem with restarting the computer without using "shutdown" locking up the driver
which sounds like u may have encountered that issue! so never use reset button to reboot.. always power down.. wait liek 10 sec and then power back up, the poster claims the device doesnt reset or some type of problem can occur from restaring. i have a similar issue with my digi 001. if i reboot quickly it can boot up and not be recognized but if i shutdown properly and then power on with power button it will initialize fine.

ok so im hunting down some keyspan driver versions for u
usa-28 product page:
http://web.archive.org/web/19990508151844/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/

faq:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000916000221/http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter/docs/swp/aFAQS.html

problem solving:
http://web.archive.org/web/20001017213434/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/docs/swp/07ProblemSolving.html

installation:
http://web.archive.org/web/20001018044920/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/docs/swp/04Installing.html

capabilities: (re which port is what, differences between port 1 + 2 on the unit)
http://web.archive.org/web/20000712023227/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/docs/swp/02Capabilities.html


requirements: (which os on which machine etc compatibility info)
http://web.archive.org/web/20010116142900/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/docs/swp/01Intro.html

connecting + configuring devices:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000916000230/http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter/docs/swp/06Configuring.html

documentation:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000916000212/http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter/docs/

driver v1.5x: (dec 1998)
http://web.archive.org/web/19990127233431/http://www.keyspan.com/downlibrary.spml (orig shipping)
http://web.archive.org/web/19981203022948/http://www.keyspan.com/downlibrary.spml

driver v1.7: (early 2001)
http://web.archive.org/web/20010124062400/http://www.keyspan.com/downloads/


i would reccomend the v1.7 driver
im still looking for v1.6 it seems to be from 1999-2000 time period.

chris

[supernova777]

v2.1b4 driver
http://www.tripplite.com/shared/software/Driver/Keyspan-Driver-for-USA-28XG-v2.1b4-Mac-OS-9.2-and-later.zip

more info on compatibility
http://web.archive.org/web/20010302110253/http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/usa28x/docs/swp/aCompatibility.html

midi compatibility notes:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010305073355/http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/usa28x/docs/swp/aMIDI.html

[supernova777]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010124074000/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/usa28x/downloads/KeyspanUSA28Xv18.sea
v1.8 driver here

[supernova777]

http://www.tripplite.com/en/support/downloads/downloads-files.cfm?start=31&NumofRec=10&Q=&otype=31&cat=keyspan&panel=4&inclArc=1

more downloads

[supernova777]

http://www.unna.org/unnasearch/entry.php?pkey=12748


Keyspan USA-28 OS9 Driver
Version:   2.1
This is the driver for the Keyspan USA-28 USB-to-serial adapter (not USA-28x or USA-28xg). It works on Mac OS 8.6 and 9.x.

important to distinguish there are diferent drivers for these different types: ^^^
i read other posts by other people saying they had nothing but problems but then they figured out they were using the incorrect driver and installed the correct one and all worked fine

[nickmt]

need to run the diagnostic software via the usb/serial adapter, emulating a modem port, in order to initialize the new hard drive. I'm using a Keyspan Twin serial adaptor, as per instructions.  It USB plugs into the G4, and as two serial ports at the other end.

are u plugging this usb cable into one of the ports on the back of the machine? or one of the ports on the keyboard? dont use the keyboard ports. that could be the problem. 

Back of the machine, so that's not the problem

The #2 port gets serial cabled directly to the Dicolite, which is the proper port for emulating a modem adaptor.  I have set its permissions to operate that way, as per instructions, in the Keyspan Twin control panel on the G4.  All cabling and hardware looks good. I also checked the serial wiring inside the Dicolite.  The Keyspan twin is an older model # 28.  Not the latest 28xg, or even the 28x. I can't find documentation on the 28 at all,  but Tripplite, the company that now manages Keyspan products, believes it should work, if not broken. I got it seemingly new, in an unopened box, from ebay.  I installed the driver Tripplite recommend.

which version of the driver did u have installed? i have read documents from digidesign saying that they only support this product with driver veresion 1.6 or higher, (need to recheck + confirm 1.6 but it was 1. something)

Using driver 2.1.1, I believe.  Either that or 2.1.  One of those is for the usa28, and the other is for the 28x.  I have both, but they are down stairs on the G4, which has no internet, and I can't specify for you right this moment.

Perhaps the Keyspan Twin is no good.  This is the second Keyspan Twin I've tried.  I thought the first one was broken, and threw it out.  My engineer says it's seems like a G4/OS9 issue.

dont throw it out!! these things are buggy and im pretty sure its because of a poorly written driver or bug
the device most likely has nothing wrong with it.

Turns out I didn't throw it out.  Still got it - the 28X, and about to re try it.

I do have a friend with an old Mac running OS7, which has serial ports, but that probably won't run the diagnostic software for testing. 

youd be surprised, most of those machines can run up to os 9.1
check this chart here to see which versions the old mac would run:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1835
rememeber this software is most likely from the age of the beige macs which is why it runs on the serial port its not supposed to be this difficult to do what your trying to do.. imho apple was really stupid for totally forgoing serial to usb and their stupid decision is waht screwed alot of people trying to use 90s technology with 2000s computers, they are the ones that set us up for this incompatibility. thanks steve

Thanks Steve!  I'm foregoing testing on my friend's old mac for now.  And, thanks to chris's sharp eye's on ebay I've purchased a megawolf serial card for the G4 (mirror doors), and I'm reeeaally counting on it!  I'll let you know. (But I'm still trying to get the Keyspan going).

Nick

I guess my first question is how do I insure nothing else is trying to use the modem?  Probably more questions after that, but any thoughts will be appreciated very sincerely!

like i said before i doubt thats really ocurring, its most likely a driver problem.
u have to get sherlock holmes hat on and find the proper driver version from the proper time
using http://web.archive.org and tapping the right site from the right date+ time will find your driver most likely.

check out this post:
http://duc.avid.com/archive/index.php/t-16571.html
it mentions a problem with restarting the computer without using "shutdown" locking up the driver
which sounds like u may have encountered that issue! so never use reset button to reboot.. always power down.. wait liek 10 sec and then power back up, the poster claims the device doesnt reset or some type of problem can occur from restaring. i have a similar issue with my digi 001. if i reboot quickly it can boot up and not be recognized but if i shutdown properly and then power on with power button it will initialize fine.

ok so im hunting down some keyspan driver versions for u
usa-28 product page:
http://web.archive.org/web/19990508151844/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/

faq:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000916000221/http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter/docs/swp/aFAQS.html

problem solving:
http://web.archive.org/web/20001017213434/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/docs/swp/07ProblemSolving.html

installation:
http://web.archive.org/web/20001018044920/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/docs/swp/04Installing.html

capabilities: (re which port is what, differences between port 1 + 2 on the unit)
http://web.archive.org/web/20000712023227/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/docs/swp/02Capabilities.html


requirements: (which os on which machine etc compatibility info)
http://web.archive.org/web/20010116142900/http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/adapter/docs/swp/01Intro.html

connecting + configuring devices:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000916000230/http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter/docs/swp/06Configuring.html

documentation:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000916000212/http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter/docs/

driver v1.5x: (dec 1998)
http://web.archive.org/web/19990127233431/http://www.keyspan.com/downlibrary.spml (orig shipping)
http://web.archive.org/web/19981203022948/http://www.keyspan.com/downlibrary.spml

driver v1.7: (early 2001)
http://web.archive.org/web/20010124062400/http://www.keyspan.com/downloads/


i would reccomend the v1.7 driver
im still looking for v1.6 it seems to be from 1999-2000 time period.

chris

[supernova777]

well just so you know i really really need that megawolf card .. i dunno what i was thinking giving it to you seeing as this is a music related board and i needed it for midi compatibility (lol)

seriously tho.. if it works i think u should sell me the keyspan on the cheap so i can at least try that to see if i can get it to work with a midi interface..`!!!!!!!!!!
i may have to wait 6months or more before another megawolf card surfaces.. i jsut realized this last nite.. and i was kickin myself

[nickmt]

Good News!  I got the Keyspan to work!  The problem was wrong driver.  I first tried a Keyspan 28x with a driver that I downloaded from Tripp Lite, the company that took over Keyspan products.  I'd spoken to a tech support person who sent me the Driver.  It didn't work.  The I got a Keyspan 28 that came with it's own software/driver.  It didn't work.  Then I spoke to Keyspan again, and they sent me a different driver.  It didn't work.  Today I spoke with the twice more and they sent me yet another driver.  Bingo!  Basically, their tech support has very poor documentation, combined with the fact that there are slight changes from mac to mac, so they just don't know what will work with what.  Although they'd given me divers for for os 8.8 -9.x (version 2.1) it wasn't until they gave me version 1.9 did I have success.

Do you want the megawolf?  $27.

Nick

[supernova777]

wow !! u did it???

i just found this info too:

Does the Keyspan SXPro or USA28X support MIDI (Opcode/OMS/FreeMIDI/MOTU) on Mac OS X?
Keyspan supports MIDI on Mac OS 8.6-9.x however MIDI is not supported in Mac OS X. We currently do not have any plans to support MIDI on Mac OS X anytime in the near future.

[supernova777]

Good News!  I got the Keyspan to work!  The problem was wrong driver.  I first tried a Keyspan 28x with a driver that I downloaded from Tripp Lite, the company that took over Keyspan products.  I'd spoken to a tech support person who sent me the Driver.  It didn't work.  The I got a Keyspan 28 that came with it's own software/driver.  It didn't work.  Then I spoke to Keyspan again, and they sent me a different driver.  It didn't work.  Today I spoke with the twice more and they sent me yet another driver.  Bingo!  Basically, their tech support has very poor documentation, combined with the fact that there are slight changes from mac to mac, so they just don't know what will work with what.  Although they'd given me divers for for os 8.8 -9.x (version 2.1) it wasn't until they gave me version 1.9 did I have success.

u will have to give me the working driver so i can make it available for download here and make a thread documenting how to set it up the first time for someone else!!!!!
if you dont mind of course! actually i think members can upload files if u make a post u can add the file as an attachment

[supernova777]

Do you want the megawolf?  $27.

Nick

yes on second thought id very much like to get it!!!!! to be safe as ive read it works perfectly with opcode midi interfaces which is what i want it for
i dunno wtf i was thinking before.. i wanted to help u get your problem sorted.. and i thought id be abel to google my way into finding another one but no such luck

[nickmt]

You're in luck! The Megawolf is yours for $27.  It arrived today and I haven't even opened it.  But I will just to make sure it's in there.  For another $25, if you want it,  I''ll throw in the new Keyspan Twin USA 28 with it's software disk version 2.1, I think. But if your computer is like mine you'll need to get version 1.9 from Tripp Lite (free) for it to work.

If you haven't read the other thread, the problem is thankfully solved (!!) as Tripp Lite finally, after sending two driver versions that were supposed to work ( version 2.1, and another version in a different sit file that in fact was the exact same 2.1 version, no difference).... finally sent me a version that does (1.9). 

Nick

[nickmt]

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