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[GaryN]

OS9 LIVES FORUM REMARKABLE COINCIDENCE DEPT.

If anyone here doesn’t know of and subscribe to Bobby Owsinski’s “The Big Picture” music production blog, you’re missing a very entertaining and educational weekly experience.
Bobby Owsinski is a long-time recording engineer, author, blogger and all-around human encyclopedia of all things recording. Trust me, try it… you’ll like it!

Now, the coincidence part:  A few postings/days ago, I noted that Dave Oppenheim’s working at Avid was finally bringing some looong overdue MIDI features to PT.

In an item in Bobby’s blog of 5/26/15, he describes the “Programmed Hi-Hat Feel Trick” using PT. The trick involves using PT’s random pencil tool to randomly modulate volume level and EQ (both level and center freq.) to “humanize” an otherwise mechanical sounding Hi-hat track, thereby helping the groove to well… groove!

Watching him demo this YouTube screen video using PT, I immediately noticed the amazing similarity to StudioVision. In fact, the process was absolutely identical to the way it would be done in SVP! The random pencil tool and automation control tracks he finds so useful in PT were in fact introduced in StudioVision many, many moons ago!

This demo is a perfect example of just ONE of the countless reasons I still use SVP.  Actually, comparing the density of all of the packed-in data in the PT window with the equivalent layout in SVP, the SVP screen is far clearer, customizable and more readable-at-a-glance than PT.  The huge amount of CPU overhead that goes into all the colors, shadows, animations etc, in the modern PT (and OSX) is flashy and pretty, but ultimately no more functional than SVP in OS9.

So what’s new in modern DAWs?  Not as much as you’d think apparently…

Look HERE:

http://bobbyowsinski.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-programmed-high-hat-feel-trick.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BobbyOwsinskisBlog+%28Bobby+Owsinski%27s+Blog%29

[geforceg4]

i think alot more people should be curious about Opcode Studio Vision as a sequencer..
its got alot of tricks up it's sleeve and was miles ahead of alot of other products for using with real hardware re: midi + integration... SVP is something i think all should be interested in exploring + being familiar with to get the most out of writing music with studio equipment on mac os 9!

[smilesdavis]

the SVP screen is far clearer, customizable and more readable-at-a-glance than PT

i think we have reached peak interface proportions and performance at 5:4 (maxed out 4:3). this format comes from early fotography and film.

japanese tv standards of the 90s slowly took over in the early 2000s and the consumers never looked back.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120309054711/http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-0A424DE8-28DF6E59/displaysearch/hs.xsl/070108_16by9_PR.asp

https://www.beetronics.co.uk/19-inch-monitor-5-4
"This 19 inch monitor has a matte IPS panel with a 5:4 aspect ratio. The monitor delivers a crisp image quality with excellent 178° viewing angles."

[GaryN]

Wow! Talk about resurrecting the dead! That post was from 2015!

What I was actually saying though, was that the construction of the SVP winows and objects were more logical and efficient than PT… to ME at least. That doesn't mean that someone coming from the opposite direction - PT to SVP - who was already comfortable with PT would necessarily agree. Ehhh…

Your point about aspect ratios is certainly valid. I guess we've moved past that now. I'm typing this looking at a 16:9 1920x1080 Syncmaster being driven by a Macbook Pro with an 8:5 1440x900 built-in screen. Using SVP in OS9 i use the same Syncmaster along with an old ADC 20" Cinema Display 1680x1050 which I guess was Apple's 8:5 more or less…

The issue I have is that the increased resolution of these later monitors effectively reduces the size of the application objects as well as all icons and other resident objects. I crashed my displays more than once farting around with SwitchRes so I finally said effit and learned to live with it. I'll probably try again at some point.

So, is insanity also doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result?

[smilesdavis]

if you're trying over and over again to get to the result you want - its persistance.

[redstudio]

Studio Vision and ProTools are not comparable in my opinion.
One was born as a MIDI sequencer with added audio, the other Audio with very little MIDI.
Studio Vision was my own and true sequencer. I loved it.
Clear, clean display, did not weigh down the eyes even after hours in front of the screen.
Beautiful to look at, very powerful for MIDI. The ability to add audio within the song was perfect for me.. MIDI base then bass and guitar solos recorded in audio.
I went on for years until the arrival of Cubase, also powerful in midi but also audio, then VST technology integrated effects, perfect. I always found Logic "illogical" and ProTools with MIDI still so far from being used seriously..
I'll start by saying that I still use sistem os9 to quickly record my songs with Cubase 5. then obviously.. maybe I move tracks externally on more modern systems and outboard efx.
But in my heart there is always Studio Vision, by Opcode that has done extraordinary things, see real jewels like the Studio 5 XL, OMS .. the limit is only our imagination with these machines.
I want to tell you a little story.
When I was young I wrote a lot of music.. I spent entire days on Studio Vision, sometimes I saved my songs on disk but amateur on computers
I didn't really understand the importance of BKup.. I worked on a performer 630, studio 4... one bad day the HD burned out.. I don't know how many songs I had inside but a lot of work went up in smoke..
but a song was saved on disk made with Studio Vision.. I reinstalled everything, moved to a powermac 7300, I took it back and also made a guitar solo recorded on Studio Vision.. the song remained like that for years, the only survivor of that dead HD. Imported the song into Cubase, I added more modern sounds... but the MIDI and audio remained the same. I tried to improve the guitar solo... change it... but in the end it remained the same (maybe added a little delay)
recorded at the time with Studio Vision. I am very fond of the song because of its history.
it is called "dream".
I put a part of it on YouTube, if you like it let me know :-)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGD_gBKbws8

[smilesdavis]

studio vision used pro tools hardware before there was pro tools afaik

[redstudio]

Studio Vision is a sequencer that has become compatible with digidesign hardware but it was not created for this. It is also compatible with ASIO.. in the early days (if I remember correctly I used version 2.5...) I used it with sound manager.. then with the KORG 1212.. never used on digidesign hardware...

[ssp3]

studio vision used pro tools hardware before there was pro tools afaik

At one point Sudio Vision Pro supported Sonic Solutions hardware as well
http://web.archive.org/web/19980115220757/http://sonic.com/html/sonicstudio/studio_vision.html

[smilesdavis]

SVP 3.5.3 onwards
i got 3.0.1 and will make copies once applesauce arrives.

anyone got SVP master floppy disks?

[GaryN]

One was born as a MIDI sequencer with added audio, the other Audio with very little MIDI.

That pretty much boils it right down. I would only note that development of SVP audio software was begun along with the Acadia audio engine. Implementation was waiting only for Mac hardware and HDD capacity to advance enough to use it.
BTW…This was a time when Opcode and Digidesign were located literally across the street from each other in Palo Alto. With Opcode having started with MIDI and Digi with audio, they had a very friendly relationship then. I don't know who was primarily responsible for writing Acadia, but I would bet if you were to successfully decompile Acadia and DAE, you would find a LOT if very similar coding.

Quote from: smilesdavis on Today at 08:21:52 AM
studio vision used pro tools hardware before there was pro tools afaik

By the time of SVP 4, there was extensive compatibility with PT I and II, III/24 and even back to Session 8 and SoundTools. SVP was capable of using DAE or Acadia at any time. That was handy because you could get around Mac hardware limitations, use TDM plugins and import/export PT session files with ease. Exactly where that was intended to go only Dave Oppenheimer and Doug Wyatt know, but it went down the pooper when Avid took over and Gibson blew Opcode up.

[smilesdavis]

late 90s the competition amongst daw developers grew with even steinberg cancelling their digidesign development partner status. steinberg was preparing for being sold off in 2001 as well - to pinnacle.

a IIci with Sound Tools and Sound Accelerator II running Studio Vision was indeed a stepup for former macintosh se users. in 1992 Digidesign outsourced the idea of a sequencer to OSC - Our Stinking Corporation and surprise it stinked. at the time Nine Inch Nails were using Pro Tools Hardware and Vision Studio to record the Broken EP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVpw1SwJRBI.

SVP also supported Yamaha CBX-D3 and D5.

[Knezzen]

Never ever touched Studio Vision. Would be fun to give it a go. Is there any VST support in the newer versions?

[smilesdavis]

im a hardcore pro tools fan but for my oldest retro rigs (iifx, iici i might also add studio vision pro to pro tools 1-2/emagic notator audio and cubase audio)

the first version to support 4 channel audio synchronized playback via digidesign hardware (or yamaha cbx hardware) was v1.5 from 1993. thats the version and thats the floppies to hunt down and copy with applesauce.

[GaryN]

Never ever touched Studio Vision. Would be fun to give it a go. Is there any VST support in the newer versions?

SVP has complete VST support. What is missing however, is VSTi.

[smilesdavis]

Studio Vision Pro and Vision DSP version 4.1 (1999) were the first version to add 24-Bit, ASIO, VST & Premiere Plugin support

"PT hired all the midi experts from Opcode to improve the midi capabilities. It's a slow go but they are making progress. It's always going to be an Audio (Real) application but Digi was pretty smart to do so. Opcode used to be this small building about 15 miles from Digi and the transfer was brilliant and necessary."

[Knezzen]

I need to give it a go. The MIDI editing functions look amazing to say the least.
Can't understand why Gibson killed it off when they bought Opcode.

[smilesdavis]

2.0 (Apr 1994) +16 channels of Pro Tools Hardware

gibson like native instruments today (plugin alliance, izotope...) swallowed everything and abandoned it afterwards.

to me the selling point is trent reznors records up til (parts of the fragile) when he switched from SVP to Logic and Pro Tools (or hired an logic operator because he refused to learn it initially)

he outright refused to make songs without SVP -> thats my selling point. im currently trying to find all info on all versions of this program. i would like to have a thread where i can edit even after days to make a single history of the program

[ssp3]

Never ever touched Studio Vision. Would be fun to give it a go. Is there any VST support in the newer versions?

Studio Vision was an American product and popular on that continent. In Europe it was mostly Steinberg.

[Knezzen]

Studio Vision was an American product and popular on that continent. In Europe it was mostly Steinberg.

Yeah. As a European I've only seen people using Pro Tools, Cubase, Logic (well, Notator/Creator on Atari as well) and Reason over here. Reaper in recent years.