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[chokobo]

I read that the main reason digi made the X boards is because the Mix systems didn't work on the G5 machines. I was long gone by then so I'd have to ask someone that was still there to know for sure. I think it had something to do with supplied power that the Mix cards needed. But I really don't know.

Yeah if I can't get SV to work with the HD cards I'll probably switch the Mix to the G4, and put the HD stuff in the G5. I got the HD setup for an insanely low price. A friend is upgrading his studio, and he let me have the old stuff for a number resembling a most recent holiday, and I don't mean earthday.

Chris--I bet you you can type the word "system" in your sleep!

Some great news. I have PT 5.3.1 running on the 9Lives 9.2.2 with a FW800, PT HD3 with a 96 i/o.

This post just underscores some the great stuff that's been going' on here lately!!

I am truly blown away by the effort--seriously guys, you have done an awesome thing.

[Protools5LEGuy]

StudioVision was the first third party app to use the DAE engine. It was a big deal, and Opcode signed an exclusive with Digi so that they had like a year's head start. That went away quickly because of all the issues with developing software first--pioneers vs. settlers.

Seal's first album was done with SV. I actually got to speak with Trevor Horn while they were working on it. That was super cool.

 

StudioVision killed the analog recorder star!

BTW... Nice to have you aboard Chokobo... love the 'insider' info!! Haha

Agree!

Yeah I'm glad to be here too. You cats are like my lost brothers or something.

The 1.6 G5 came with the PCI slots. It was basically a G4 logic board with a slow G5 processor on it. They of course weren't very popular. At the time I got my G5 1.6 my friend was doing sound design in LA--he use to work at Digi, and he told me that the cats at Disney were running the PT Mix rigs on these 1.6 machines. So when one showed up on Craig's for hella cheap I pounced. This was never a supported configuration, but at least they didn't code it to not work.
 

I can't believe Mix work on G5 1.6. It said crearly everywhere that it shouldn't

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/90978-pro-tools-mix-ppc-g5-pci-any-ideas-how.html

[supernova777]

yes u can tell by looking at the pci card if it has 2 notches within the 32bit part of the card then it is pci 3.3v compatible..which is the voltage in the slots of the g5s... as far as i know this applies the same to both the 4 ram slots / 8 ram slots g5s... pci vs pci-x..



visually the mix card looks like it should be 3.3v compatible
perhaps they made some cards that are 3.3v compatible? (found in g5's)
perhaps there are more older mix cards that have only one notch that require 5v pci slots
(Found in g3/g4 + pci powermacs + pcs)

knez do u have mix cards with only on notch in the pci connection? (5v)

remember this image:


ok so consulting the pci guide image here, it the presence of the first notch that indicates 3.3v compatibility, the 2nd notch 5v compatibility.. and the presence of both, means that it can support both 3.3 + 5v

so according to this the mix card IS 3.3v + 5v compatible..
*at least the one imaged above* like i said there maybe older cards that only have the 5v notch in the card

the difference in bandwidth between 32bit pci cards + 64bit extended pci cards
would explain the ability of the hd cards to support double the voices. because they have literally double the bandwidth (133mb/s for the 32bit short cards, 266mb/s for the 64bit extended long cards)

[supernova777]

this is a real head*uck if it does turn out that the *PCI* non-PCI-X G5's (with 4 ram slots) are actually are compatible with only 5v PCI + not 3.3V
*** checking the image i posted above of the 1.6ghz g5 motherboard... the slots are keyed for 3.3v, u can tell by looking at the slot itself on the pic of the motherboard so they are not 5v.. they are 3.3v

of the g5s there were 4 models that had 4 mem slot + different pci architecture heres a list:

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.6.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp_2.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_2.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_pci.html

when i had bought my g5 some years ago, i originally got the dual 1.8ghz g5 that has only 4 ram lots (PCI not PCIX, 2nd link down in the above list) and maybe thats why it didnt work with my updated delta 1010LT.. but this would mean that the "universal card" truely wasnt made to spec for being "universal" wouldnt it

i have now a 5v version of the delta 1010LT.. but ive since swapped that Dual 1.8ghz(PCI system) with 4 rams lots  for a single 1.8ghz (PCI-X system) with 8 ram slots... swapped with someone from craigslist who took the opportunity to get a "FREE UPGRADE" to a dual processor machine, as he didnt have any pci hardware to worry about compatibility with.. so i have no way of testing that theory..

[supernova777]

from the thread that protoolsLE5guy posted:

this shows the g5 lineup simply.. according to dated releases, from lowend (left)
to high end (right)

[supernova777]

it must work with the PCI lowend systems: read this post by "frenkonio" on gearslutz: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/2048676-post42.html

I'm your solution
I'm using a G5 Dual 2.0 Ghz (EARLY 2005 version, see mactracker for better infos) with 3 Gb of ram, Panther 10.3.9 and PT 6.4.1cs4 (last version) and Mix3 system.
Everything works flawlessy!
If your G5 was shipped with Tiger (like mine) you can only copy the entire OS from an external firewire HD with Panther installed. Insert the Tiger installation disc (don't install the OS!), go on DISK UTILITY, then RESTORE and simply drag & drop the external Panther HD icon (source) and the internal HD icon (destination).
There's no way to install Panther with the installation disc if the G5 was shipped with Tiger. Anyway you can check everything on mactracker.

he describes his workaround to put panther on a tiger-shipped g5... as the pt 6.4 requires 10.3.x

im really shocked by this information. i had no idea this was possible. and i would think most people would think its not. even still... i would rather stay with mac os 9.. or go all the way to intel quad

[IIO]

so what's the difference between the Hd 'Process' and 'Accel' cards??

the master HD card will still be the same, but for PT 6.1 and above you can use HD accel cards for all other slots, they are more than two times faster and offer you more tracks, and most plug-ins from that period and later could make extra benefit on the accel cards.

the issues with G5 compatibilty was about the same as with HD.

[IIO]

oh damn, it is on page 2, i thought posting didnt work

[IIO]

...

[supernova777]

WOW reading further into the thread that ptle5guy posted
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/2155712-post66.html

this guy using a PCI expansion chassis with a Dual 2.7ghz G5 (PCI-X) with a MIX system, and working flawless because his expansion chassis host card supports PCI-X.. and his chassis obviously supports the cards.. crazy!

cant believe he got his dual 2.7 to run panther.. first of all..
and then to get the mix cards to work via this expansion chassis. wow.

reading further in the thread:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/5489554-post85.html

this guy explictly says he had his card installed in one of the actual slots of the g5 PCI-X 2.7 model and it worked..

[chokobo]

Wow can you cats type fast. =8<>

Well I'm hitting a wall with the DP3 action. I burned a disc, it mounts, it will even try to install from it, but for some reason when it checks to verify that the CD is in the system it states that it can not locate the installer CD. I suppose I could put the drive and CD in another computer and give it a shot.

I hardly ever use PT. I am much more of a sequencer user. With OS9 it was SV, and with OS X it was back to DP. So the work I did with the Mix system on the 1.6 G5 was nearly all with Digital Performer. But it worked as well as any system I've had--these computers being touchy and all.

I read through the GS post on the G5 Mix action. I didn't realize that there were other PCI based G5 machines. I guess they came after I had already bought one.

The thing is, as cool as Panther is, Tiger is a big jump forward, and Mix doesn't make the transition. Also, PT 6.4.1 has some issues. One more rev would have made a big deal. The thing I found to make it the hardest was finding plugins that would work within those limits.

DP 4.61 works pretty well on that system. In addition to basic plugins that came with PT I had sourced Maxim, the JoeMeek Compressor, the Meequalizer, Indigo 2.2, and that's it. I think there's a version of the FocusRite D's that work, but I was unable to source those. Pretty much everything I found at that point was an HD plugin. And because of PACE being a rip off factory it cost $25 just to transfer the copy protection key. Which generally was more than the cost of the plugin. Now if the plugin issue could be solved...

[supernova777]

re: dp3
you must have to burn the actual toasts image to a cd using toast 5
and install with it in the drive

[IIO]

with some stuff you can be happy already if the transfer of pace licenses is allowed at all.

for protools 7-9 for example it is not possible, so when you buy old HD cards for OSX including protools dongle - and you want to be registered for some reason – you have to be careful not to loose your ilok key, because if you do, you have to buy again.

waves ... even worse.

[IIO]

I can't believe Mix work on G5 1.6. It said crearly everywhere that it shouldn't

i think he was wrong about what mac he has. there was a G5 1.6 with PCI 33MHz and one with mixed PCI standards. he probably has the one with PCI only and that can work, but at the time PT 6.1.1 came out, it was not officially supported by digidesign.

[supernova777]

there was a G5 1.6 with PCI 33MHz and one with mixed PCI standards. he probably has the one with PCI only and that can work, but at the time PT 6.1.1 came out, it was not officially supported by digidesign.

there is only one model 1.6ghz g5. and yes u are correct. it featured only 33mhz 64bit pci slots. same as the g4. but they still output only 3.3v i believe. they were not 5v slots as in the g4.

this page is helpful: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/faq/powermac-g5-number-type-speed-pci-pci-x-pcie-slots.html

[chokobo]

there was a G5 1.6 with PCI 33MHz and one with mixed PCI standards. he probably has the one with PCI only and that can work, but at the time PT 6.1.1 came out, it was not officially supported by digidesign.

there is only one model 1.6ghz g5. and yes u are correct. it featured only 33mhz 64bit pci slots. same as the g4. but they still output only 3.3v i believe. they were not 5v slots as in the g4.

this page is helpful: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/faq/powermac-g5-number-type-speed-pci-pci-x-pcie-slots.html

I think I read that the 1.6 PCI slots were the 5v slots, and that's why they actually work with the Mix systems. It makes more sense that they are 5v. I just looked at the System Profiler on the G5, but it doesn't show anything. I suppose if you really want to know I could put a multimeter in there and find out.

Is there anything that would cause the MMD/FW800 machines in OS9 mode to be horrendously slow over ethernet? From the G5 to the G4 machines takes forever. To the G5 from the nMP it's super quick. Took almost an hour to transfer the DP3 toast image to the G4 (I'm going to try to use its burner since it didn't like the coaster I made with the G5's burner).

[supernova777]

it shouldnt take long at all - u must have something up with your networking config.
are u using a gigabit switch to connect the two? or a router?  perhaps your router settings are incorrect, or you are using a 10/100 router.

if u are having such problems just redownload it directly on the g4 from the source u originally downloaded it from. the mdd definately has gigabit ethernet of course.

i thought id shared files from snow leopard or Leopard/Tiger to mac so 9 before
i forget how to do it lol because i use my nas4free server which has netatalk AFP
and it works beautifully

when all else fails .. just use FTP.. set up the g5 as a ftp server with system preferences and connect from the os9 machine with an ftp client
thats what i would do if i didnt have a fileserver

which osx is on your g5?
if its tiger u can try this: http://www.hornware.com/sharepoints/
might work in panther? ok they have diff version of sharepoints for each osx revision.

SharePoints is an application or a preference pane that makes it easy to add and delete share points like in the old Finder. In Mac OS X, by default, you are limited to sharing only what is in your public folder in your home directory. This program makes it easy to share any folder.
In addition SharePoints also brings back users and groups management to Mac OS X as well as easy configuration of AppleFileServer (AFS) and Samba (SMB) Server properties.

i just tested the above from os 9.2.2 to tiger 10.4.11 and it works 100%
u can connect to the share from os9 by going to apple menu > chooser
and typing the ip (Which u can observe on the g5 in the system preferences > network) and it will prompt u for username/pass to connect as, and then display the shares that u have access permissions for.

just make sure to enable the shares "AFS" applefileserver pulldown menu from disabled to enabled in sharepoints... u hit browse to select the folder u want to share in sharepoints and it it does all the hardwork for u when u hit "update share"

[chokobo]

Well I got Toast installed on the FW800, then burned the disc, and then installed 3.01. I tried to do the update, but it needs 3.02, so I'm looking for that now. ;P

The 3.02 patch is located here:

http://www.motu.com/download/download_matching_downloads.html?product_id=1

That update went well.

Then the 3.11 update went well.

Launched DP 3.11, created a new session, and then went to turn on DAE.

Got the error dialog:

The DAE requires a mixer plug-in in order to use TDM. To use the DAE, make sure that you have a mixer plugin located in your "TDM plug-ins" folder, or reconfigure your hardware to not use TDM.

Looking in the DAE Plug-ins folder in the System folder I see a stereo mixer plugin.

And then I found this:

http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/pro-tools-requires-mixer-plug-tdm-plug-ins-folder/

“Pro Tools requires the mixer Plug-In to be in the TDM Plug-Ins folder” after installing Pro Tools version 3.1/3.2 and Digital performer on a Nubus Mac with System 7.
Article #22436
The Plug-Ins folder needs to be named “TDM Plug-Ins” and not “Plug-Ins”. Apparently Digital Performer renames the folder after installing itself and its components into the DAE folder, including a later version of DAE and DSI. Another component it installs may also be Time Compression/Expansion, which can cause the system to hang while launching. Removing these elements, renaming the TDM Plug-Ins folder and verifying Mixer version 1.2 to be present should resolve the problem.

I tried to rename the folder, but got the same error.

Still messing around, and doing some search action...

[supernova777]

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/error_message/en319845

according to this IT WILL WORK!

Can I run Digital Performer with Pro Tools|HD hardware?
Yes, it works works, but only in MAS mode (i.e. Direct I/O). Communicating with TDM hardware via Direct I/O, however, will only all you access to the first 8 inputs of your primary audio interface. (You can customize which inputs to use in the Hardware Setup window). As it has been reported, Digital Performer almost always freezes on quitting if you are using Direct I/O with the HD hardware. A workaround is to switch to MIDI only before quitting. Then it closes with no problem. This report was based on Digital Performer v3.02. DP 3.1 should have DAE support for PT|HD systems.

this is massive!! to find this article.. as its directly referencing the *OS 9 VERSION* of motu DP..  perfect!!

so the above is saying that it works in MAS mode (non-DAE) for 3.02, and that 3.11 should have proper DAE mode support for PT HD systems.
did u try checking any documentation packaged with the 3.11 update?

[chokobo]

Well, I suppose it should be working. 

I can select DAE, but

Shoot something must have changed because it didn't fail this time when I went to check it. Oh nope, it just brought up another dialog box before it failed with the same no mixer plugin issue.

I can set it to just use the interface as an i/o, but then there's no DSP support with that option. And it is true, if you set it to use the interface as an i/o DP crashes on quit, and the machine must be restarted because it hangs when DP crashes.