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[supernova777]

freenas! i had problems with freenas!
big problems

the version (nas4free.org) was alot easier...  is your freenas working 100%? then again i think the problem was to do with CIFS/SMB so if you arent using samba at all then you wont seem to have any problems

but i would think this might be important to u seeing as you talked of this on mavericks using samba instead of AFP
i am curious to hear results from freenas.. perhaps for another thread.

wait -- u are running freenas on an mdd? i didnt know u could do this;) bsd on ppc.. hmm

[Knezzen]

wait -- u are running freenas on an mdd? i didnt know u could do this;) bsd on ppc.. hmm

Noooo

I took the SSD from the old MDD and put it in a PC server. Booting off IDE/PATA and using the front mounted disks for storage. 14 3.5" SATA drives can be mounted from the front, so the machine is an awesome fileserver.

Running the official FreeNAS with AFP shares enabled. Took some terminal tweeking to get it working, but it works great now

Works with the MDD running 9.2.2 and the intel macs running Mavericks.

[supernova777]

14 3.5" SATA drives can be mounted from the front, so the machine is an awesome fileserver.
Running the official FreeNAS with AFP shares enabled. Took some terminal tweeking to get it working, but it works great now

14 drives?? holy shit man.. pics?

Works with the MDD running 9.2.2 and the intel macs running Mavericks.

yes of course this took me like 2-3 weeks to figure out trying other solutions and being very frustrated and pulling my fucking hair out
which is the reason i kept stressing it to you guys over and over and not a single one of u even say thanks for this..
im starting to realize is just how most of you guys operate.. syntho, you, diehard, mactron, none of u ever thank me for anything i  have done
but meanwhile nameless strangers that log in once or twice. i help them and they are very polite + make me feel great for having helped them..
go figure.. is it pride? or is it just pure rudeness.. taking someone for granted is the best way to lose them. instead of being polite u guys want to play some juvenile
contest + competition... rather then being cool.. and saying. hey man this helped me.. thanks for that..  *shrug*
instead i get my posts edited + deleted... really fucking cool.

[IIO]

it is fun to see how it (only) makes a (big) difference for the very small files, because the search time is close to zero.

surely a big benefit for booting OS9, yet more for OSX, unreal engine or maxmsp where the app has to search 5000-10000 files when starting up.

i dont think it will look different when connected to 100x or 133x.

[IIO]

I took the SSD from the old MDD and put it in a PC server. Booting off IDE/PATA and using the front mounted disks for storage. 14 3.5" SATA drives can be mounted from the front, so the machine is an awesome fileserver.

14 slots ... that reminds me ... every once in a while i look at the apple xraid ... to see if one can make use of it today ... like ... put some 10-12 very cheap and slow/older/secondhand SSDs inside, run it as raid 10 or 30 or whatever ... in order to get a 2000 mb/s disk or server ... but neither the xraid nor a g4 could make use of that speed and the second hand prices for the xraid are a joke.

uh, now i am totally off topic.

[MacTron]

The DOM sequential and random read are better than I'd expected. This make it useful, in tasks where read speeds was more important than write speeds, like system boot or as a rescue drive connected to a free ATA 33 or ATA 66.
I have tested real SSDs in several configurations (ATA 66, ATA 100, SATA 32b and SATA 64b RAID) and while the Max throughput can range from 60 GB/s to 190 GB/s, Always a SSD notably increased the overall system performance because it has a VERY SHORT access time, this is feature is the more important in using Mac Os 9, where a lot of Hard Disk acces to "small" files...
I usually to have some SSD connected to ATA 100 with a PATA/SATA adapter with great results, even the Max throughput being "only" 80 GB/s the short acces time make a huge  benefit to all the system.

Will be interesting to know the acces time of this module.

[Knezzen]

Will be interesting to know the acces time of this module.

According to this amazon page it is 0.3ms on average:
http://www.amazon.com/Kingspec-KingSpec-Module-40Pin-IDE-Industrial/dp/B009FX97E8

which is the reason i kept stressing it to you guys over and over and not a single one of u even say thanks for this..
im starting to realize is just how most of you guys operate.. syntho, you, diehard, mactron, none of u ever thank me for anything i  have done
but meanwhile nameless strangers that log in once or twice. i help them and they are very polite + make me feel great for having helped them..
go figure.. is it pride? or is it just pure rudeness.. taking someone for granted is the best way to lose them. instead of being polite u guys want to play some juvenile
contest + competition... rather then being cool.. and saying. hey man this helped me.. thanks for that..  *shrug*
instead i get my posts edited + deleted... really fucking cool.

I did all the research on my own. Plus, I work with enterprise grade servers all day at work, so configuring FreeNAS is not something new to me.

14 drives?? holy shit man.. pics?

Pictures of the server and the server/storage room are attached to this post 

[MacTron]

According to this amazon page it is 0.3ms on average:
http://www.amazon.com/Kingspec-KingSpec-Module-40Pin-IDE-Industrial/dp/B009FX97E8

Great!
It is 4 or 5 times faster than a standard HD!
Now I understand how do you feel this DOM working great even though the low write speed...

[Knezzen]

Yep! I don't even get the splash screen when starting Classilla. Just the browser window like one second after I double click the application icon

[IIO]

could you compare the boot time in seconds, flash vs HD?

[Knezzen]

could you compare the boot time in seconds, flash vs HD?

I could clock it tonight when I get to the studio

[Knezzen]

Thinking of buying this for the PowerBook G4 im using. Any oppinions on it?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KingSpec-44Pin-PATA-IDE-2-5-MLC-Flash-128GB-SSD-Hard-Drive-for-notebook-Laptop-/221528567210?pt=US_Solid_State_Drives&hash=item339421adaa

[DieHard]

Knez...

I really recommend this one (Yes $40 more, but 3 year warranty)
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMLP120/

Believe me, not all SSD speeds and quality are equal... this baby far exceeds the "KingSpec"

And I have loaded them in G4 TI and they ROCK

These features alone are worth the extra bucks

Mean Time To Failure" - We all know that nothing lasts forever. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't get the most out of your investment. OWC SSD with Durawrite™ Technology optimizes writes to the flash memory over conventional controllers increasing the overall endurance and reliability of the complete SSD. Highly intelligent block management and wear leveling also extends the overall endurance. With this technology, even MLC-based SSDs can operate for years in demanding use applications without daily write restrictions. This adds up to a MTTF that is higher than most enterprise class hard drives and SSDs on the market today.

[supernova777]

it would be funny if we found out owcs is a rebranded kingspec lol

[MacTron]

it would be funny if we found out owcs is a rebranded kingspec lol

That's what I think.

Furthermore, those KingSpec/OWC are this:

  =    + 

ie: a SATA SSD with a SATA to PATA adaptor included (usually Jmicron).

So -unless you plan to install it on a Powerbook-  probably are cheaper to buy them as two separate components. And furthermore you have the option to connect the SSD to a real SATA at his full speed in case you need it.

[supernova777]

personally i wouldnt buy a kingspec ssd for more then 60$
i would want a more reputable + north american brand (or company with swedish presence, if i was knez)
its one thing to go cheap on a little small dinky 32gb ssd, another entirely to go for 120gb
i would want a good warranty + guarantee for a bigger purchase

and yes mactron makes a good point about SATA compatibility..
the ssd drive probably might outlast the power book!!
so why not have it compatible with other systems
and have leave open the option of using it with with either sata or ide
but one other point is remember that there is 40 pin IDE for laptops
vs 44pin for desktop (i think thats the way it is? or is it the other way around)
just to add that information to any other readers of the thread..
of course knez is aware of this

[Knezzen]

but one other point is remember that there is 40 pin IDE for laptops
vs 44pin for desktop

It's the other way around . The 4 extra pins are for power.
I just want something cheap, and someone has to be the first one to test, don't you think?

DieHard, I'll look into the OWC SSD's. I just thought it would be fun to test something new, just like the little KingSpec 16gb "DOM" I put in the MDD, which works like a charm.

Can't affort anything right now anyway. The car is in the workshop, and I don't know what the bill will be at the time writing. Don't buy a semi-german-GM car (Opel) 

[DieHard]

Obviously the SATA idea won't work in a Powerbook TI series (no room for adapter setup), That is why I posted the PATA link

[supernova777]

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMLP040/

sucks the 40gb is sold out thats like the perfect size for a g4

remember my post about msata adapter?
(ok i was wrong that post was about microSD !! hehe
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1681.msg7598#msg7598)
but HERES ANOTHER "TRICK IN THE WALL"!!! (LOL )
this will of course probably fit inside a powerbook g4


http://www.addonics.com/products/adms25ide.php
http://www.addonics.com/datasheets/files/2.5%20IDE%20mSATA%20Flash%20drive.pdf
msata to 44pin ide adapter
depending on price might be worth it as msata are cheap + probably faster read/write then
the kingspec

(from the above pdf) This Addonics 2.5" IDE mSATA Flash drive turns a regular mSATA SSD into a
2,5" IDE SSD. The drive frame and the connector mimic the exact size and
connector location of a 2.5" IDE hard drive. So once the mSATA SSD is
mounted inside this 2.5" IDE mSATA Flash drive, it can be used just like a
standard 7 mm 2.5" IDE hard drive to direct replace the 2.5" hard drive in
Notebook or any computing equipment. With the addition of an optional 2.5" -
3.5" IDE connector converter, the 2.5" IDE mSATA Flash drive can be
connected to standard 40-pin IDE port commonly found on legacy Desktop
system. The 2.5" IDE mSATA Flash drive is a simple economical solution to
replace a mechanical hard drive with a low power shock resistant Solid State
Drive

Build your own 2.5" IDE SSD with mSATA SSD of your choice
• Replace 2.5" or 3.5" IDE hard drive with low power and shock resistant mSA
TA SSD
• Increase boot time and overall performance of the system
• Extend battery life by reducing power consumption of the old IDE drive
• Direct Notebook hard drive replacement
• Use as a 3.5" IDE hard drive by using optional 2.5" to 3.5" connector adapter
• mSATA flash Card can be the primary bootable device containing the OS and applications
• OS independent. No software driver required

its probably whats inside the kingpsec tbh.. except this gives u control to choose which brand of actual high performance flash u want to use
crucial, mushkin, plexor, sandisk, samsung, adata
take your pick!


heres an 80gb intel msata for 40$!! that would make the 24$ adapter worth it
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/80Gb-Intel-310-Series-mSATA-Solid-State-Drive-SSDMAEMC080G-SSDMAEMC080G2L-/261562969838?pt=US_Internal_Hard_Disk_Drives&hash=item3ce65e2eee
80gb ssd for 65$!


heres one for 40pin ide (seems to be more rare)
but it takes up a slot space..
i guess u could take the pci slot bracket off
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SINTECH-mSATA-SSD-to-40pin-IDE-adapter-with-bracket-as-3-5-IDE-HDD-AD263FB9-/221210553387?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item33812d2c2b
this one would work better in a pc build i think such as a system in a full atx case using a microatx board where u would have
extra pci slots in the space past where the board extends to


they have msata to normal sata adapter too
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/High-Quality-MSATA-Mini-PCI-e-SSD-To-2-5-SATA-Converter-Adapter-Case-new-/321424813310?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item4ad6696cfe

wow i think i might try this out


they even have msata to pci-e!
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/mSATA-Mini-PCI-E-SATA-3-0-SSD-SATA-3-0-Combo-to-PCI-Express-PCI-E-Card-6-0Gbps-/171389155335?pt=US_Internal_Port_Expansion_Cards&hash=item27e796f807
this one even adds a single sata port

i think u will see that theres lots of deals to be found if buying msata format. the prices are cheaper.
and i think performance is same as the high end drives

here is 32gb . not as good a deal as above but 46 in stock! its a great price

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SanDisk-SSD-32-GB-MLC-mSATA-Flash-Cache-Model-SDSA4DH-032G-/331229446751?pt=US_Solid_State_Drives&hash=item4d1ed0425f

summary: there may be some great versatile solutions to buy microSD + msata
these formats aswell have the possibility for compatibility with portable items in the future
more so aswell! possibly (if they dont create an even smaller format by that time LOL)

[supernova777]

yeah look at the speed specs of these msata
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1089&item_id=050651
this one is local to me...
both read + write above 500mb/s
64gb for 60$

insane
 
no wonder its sold out lol

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1089&item_id=054580
heres a mushkin.
i think this is a really good way to pick the best brand ! now we just need to find cheapest price for adapters!

u guys heard good things about kingston SSDNOW series?
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1088&item_id=055639
60 for 60! thats a buck a gig..

ok this works .. 120gb for 65$ wow cheap!!!
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1088&item_id=055640
and 10+ in stock at this store 5min from my house