Mac OS 9 Discussion > Software
use Apple Disk Image format (.dmg .smi .img) packaging os9 files to move to osX
Philgood:
Maybe has to do with making visible the invisible files before doing the imaging.
I remember there was a command for doing this in OS9.
DieHard:
OK some interesting notes found on the web...
--- Quote ---- Chronology Of StuffIt
Here is the progression of the StuffIt Archive format over time. It might prove helpful in understanding the evolution of various archives you may encounter.
1993 -- Introduction of the StuffIt 3 archive format (used .sit extension) -- Better compression compared to original StuffIt archive format.
1998 -- Introduction of the StuffIt 5 archive format (used .sit extension) -- Again, improved compression over prior version. This version of StuffIt also removed some of the dependencies on resource fork data to enable better cross platform support sending files between Mac and PC.
2002 -- Introduction of the StuffIt X file format. (used .sitx extension) -- Better compression, strong encryption up to 512-bit, increased the number of files allowed in a single archive, increased the maximum allowable archive size.
2005 -- An updated to the StuffIt X file format added compression of JPEG images –- able to compress JPEGs by an additional 20 to 30 percent without further reductions to image quality.
2007 – An update to the StuffIt X file format added compression of the Microsoft Office 2007 file format (introduced in Office 2008 on the Mac). These new document formats (.docx, .xlsx, .pptx) are essentially compressed with Zip compression by the Microsoft applications, so the Finder’s zip compression is unable to make them smaller. StuffIt introduced a new technique that allowed Office 2007/8 documents to be further compressed, and for inline JPEGs stored in these documents to be compressed using the JPEG compression method introduced in 2005.
2008 – An update to the StuffIt X file format added support for specialized compression of 24-bit images – TIFFs, PNGs, Bitmaps, etc. Also added was improved compression of PDF and MP3 files.
-- Progression of File Type and Creator
StuffIt 1.5.1
Extension: .sit
Type: SIT!
Creator: SIT!
StuffIt 2 (released with StuffIt Deluxe 3.0)
Extension: .sit
Type: SITD
Creator: SIT!
StuffIt 5 (released with StuffIt Deluxe 5.0)
Extension: .sit
Type: SIT5
Creator: SIT!
StuffIt X 7.0 (Released with StuffIt Deluxe 7.0 – this is the newer StuffIt X file format.
Extension: .sitx
Type: SITX
Creator: SIT
This information could come in handy if, somehow, the type or creator of an archive has been altered or corrupted. It might be possible to change that file data and achieve a successful unstuff. There are a few apps plus command line tools and developer tools to change the file type and creator.
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As a suggestion to Newbies, I strongly recommend, that after getting Mac OS 9 up and running, use OS 9 to extract and install anything that you download from our site... since all OS 9 DAW software is pretty useless when running OS 9 in classic mode anyway, stay in OS 9 to extract and install all apps (just ignore OS X altogether); this will avoid many of the issues discussed here. Our site has been geared to those in an OS 9 environment... period. So this whole image debate is a mute point
OK with that said... if you really need to stay in Tiger when extracting and organizing your files, then simple use the free "Unarchiver" Utility, I have used it and it is excellent. Supported file formats include Zip, Tar-GZip, Tar-BZip2, RAR, 7-zip, LhA, StuffIt and many other old and obscure formats.
You can get it here...
http://unarchiver.c3.cx
Chris, as far as cloning a hard drive and preserving authorized plugins... I gave up on that in 2008 with as much frustration as you are experiencing now... I am hoping you find something... it would benefit all of us... I do over 20 installs when stting up a new DAW.
supernova777:
hey diehard.
cool stuffit info.. but what does that have to do with apple disk images:)
--- Quote ---As a suggestion to Newbies, I strongly recommend, that after getting Mac OS 9 up and running, use OS 9 to extract and install anything that you download from our site... since all OS 9 DAW software is pretty useless when running OS 9 in classic mode anyway, stay in OS 9 to extract and install all apps (just ignore OS X altogether); this will avoid many of the issues discussed here. Our site has been geared to those in an OS 9 environment... period. So this whole image debate is a mute point
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yes i agree that all of the existing archives posted on the site should be downloaded + installed from within mac os 9 itself.. unless you dont have internet access on your mac os 9 machine (which may be the case for some people) so yea, its not a debate, im not sure if u are catching what im saying, im not suggesting we move all archive files to .img or .smi or .dmg
the point was exactly what i said, to hilight that this is a natively supported fileformat (that supports compression) directly created+ supported by Apple for it's own operating systems.
and that its the best way to get os9 files to osx users... for the purpose of installing the initial operating system. exactly. not to keep using once os9 is installed.. but to use for the different mac os 9 drag installs.. it works where other solutions have been problematic + error prone
and that these files are always double clickable and mountable frm within Any osx installation.. regardless of version. (so there is little to no room for error, compared with other formats that require 3rd party installed software to work) this makes .img file format the best way to deliver *initial installation media* to people who dont have os 9. meaning that we coudl use this to create a bundle,
of not just the fresh drag install but a variety of the other small "optional neccessities" in a file that would be just a couple hundred mb and save time + effort like having toast, fetch, stuffit, all of these other 3rd party essential os9 tools, in one custom created "disk image" made by us, for us.. thats my idea anyway.. much like the driver disk idea.
--- Quote ---Chris, as far as cloning a hard drive and preserving authorized plugins... I gave up on that in 2008 with as much frustration as you are experiencing now... I am hoping you find something... it would benefit all of us... I do over 20 installs when stting up a new DAW.
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i hope i figure it out too..
i told u i have done it sucessfully once.. and im hoping to discover that for whatever reason partitioning a drive was the reason it didnt work the second time, but i will let u know once i go thru the motions!
DieHard:
Chris…
I uploaded this to Adrive, but never got the time to fully try it out…
https://www.adrive.com/public/dpz4PF/Retrospect%20Express.sea.bin
It is called "Retrospect" and it is supposed to image a Volume Completely (even hidden stuff) and save it to a File… but this will probably have a 2 GB limit compressed, so I am guessing it will be good for about 4GB of initial setup on an OS9 volume (Maybe enough for a DAW Host and some plugs)… or maybe it can be used to make a basic image of OS, system utilities, and all hardware specific extensions/setups. If you have an external drive… it may do a full clone to it… but I think it lacked the ability to image from one internal HD to another
More info here: http://www.retrospect.com/en/support/kb/how-to-backup-to-hard-disks-mac
Let me know if you find it useful, drawback is you need to install the app in order to restore a backup image
supernova777:
sounds worth investigating for sure.
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