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Classic Mac Hardware (Troubleshooting, Upgrading, & Modifying) => Video Cards, Monitors, & Displays => Topic started by: MacTron on November 29, 2014, 03:20:58 AM

Title: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker
Post by: MacTron on November 29, 2014, 03:20:58 AM
Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study:

The nVidia Geforce4 Titanium 4600 is by far the fastest video card available for Mac Os 9. This card is based on the NV25 engine @300 Mhz with 128MB of of Samsung @325 Mhz DDR (2.8ns) Video RAM. The Mac version comes with a DVI port and a ADC (Apple Display Connector).

(http://www.mcbia.com/auction/randy/MAC-NVidia-GeFORCE-4600-2.jpg)

 It is important to know the all Geforce4 family to avoid mistakes:

Geforce4 MX (NV17) is an enhanced version of the Geforce2.
Geforce4 Go (NV17) is a movile version of the Geforce4 MX.
Geforce4 Ti (NV25) the 4200,4400 are downgraded versions of the 4600.
Geforce4 Ti (NV28), is the AGP8X version of the Geforce4 Ti. Here we have to be carefull, as the AGP8X cards need hardware modifications and the NV28 may be not compatible with Mac Os 9 Nvidia drivers. This card can be labeled as Geforce4 Ti 4800, Ti 4600 8X, Ti 4800 SE, 4200 8X etc...

So:

- We have to find a PC card that best match the Ti4600 Mac  specifications.
- Find the firmware and the flash process, probably similar to other nvidia cards.
- And find the hardware modifications. Probably AGP pinout and voltage related...
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on November 29, 2014, 05:33:04 AM
it would be very nice to have a dual DVI Ti4600... such as the one by Gainward
as the pc type test subject of the flash/mod (both?)
(http://techreport.com/r.x/ti4600s/gainward-3quarters.jpg)
i think we should have a thread specifically on dual-dvi capable cards  (http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_odkw=dual+dvi+mac+AGP&_from=R40|R40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xdual+dvi+%28apple%2C+mac%2C+g4%2C+macintosh%2C+powermac%29+AGP&_nkw=dual+dvi+%28apple%2C+mac%2C+g4%2C+macintosh%2C+powermac%29+AGP&_sacat=0)

i beleive another dual dvi card is the x800XT (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-Apple-Mac-G5-Edition-ATI-Radeon-X800-XT-256MB-8x-AGP-DVI-Video-Graphics-Card-/280847735357?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item4163d45a3d) but its of course not for mac os 9, panther,tiger only
if anyone knows any others. maybe we can make a list of all mac compatible dual dvi cards in a new thread
i dont think it will be a very long list tho ;D

another note im thinkin is... the ti4400, + ti4200 are still great cards too.. it would be great to see some
pc versions of them fixed to work in mac os 9 aswell... they would still perform great compared to the other geforce/radeon cards
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on November 29, 2014, 05:53:08 AM
then again i guess the dual dvi is not so much a big deal when u can find a ADC to DVI adapter converter
(http://www.gefen.com/images/AC-DVI.jpg)
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on November 29, 2014, 06:29:49 AM
Yes, I agree on to Dual DVI is the best option. I don't expect to find ADC in to PC cards. LOL
Usually DVI include analog signals (VGA), but not the opposite.

(http://www.gefen.com/images/AC-DVI.jpg)

This ADC to DVI is to Mac Video cards. The opposite is more complex and very rare, as it must incorporate USB and power.
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on December 03, 2014, 01:27:35 PM
Here we have most of the info we need:

http://themacelite.wikidot.com/


They have flashing tools and techniques . And a lot of ROMs, including ones for Nvidia Ti 4600 and Quadro 4 700 XGL.
We only have to find the right PC video cards to begin to test ...
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on December 14, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141500952824?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

i am thinking of grabbing this.. even tho it is not 4600 and only 4400 i think it would still be good

the difference is slight core clock speed 300 vs 325mhz? i think?
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on January 02, 2015, 07:57:13 AM
We have DieHard report about the ASUS V8460 ULTRA succesfully  flashed with the PC GeForce 4 Ti4600 (Arti) 1105  ROM,

... and my (MacTron) failed with the Quadro 900:

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=681.msg11447#msg11447

... but we are still in on track for Dual DVI nVidia 4600 cards. There are a few from MSI and Grainward, but may be those are really Geforce4 Ti 4800:  the AGP8X version of the Geforce4 Ti whith the GPU NV28. Here we have to be carefull, as the AGP8X cards need hardware modifications and the NV28 may be not compatible with Mac Os 9 nVidia drivers
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on January 02, 2015, 07:52:54 PM
Chris, this have your name:
http://www.ebay.es/itm/ASUS-V8460ULTRA-TD-N-128M-a-nVidia-AGP-Card-V8460-/200492655887?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2eae4b250f (http://www.ebay.es/itm/ASUS-V8460ULTRA-TD-N-128M-a-nVidia-AGP-Card-V8460-/200492655887?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2eae4b250f)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/21/!B)U33GwBWk~$(KGrHqIOKkYEwPTKcfjNBMM91fwUjw~~_12.JPG)
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on January 03, 2015, 01:00:31 AM
Chris, this have your name:
http://www.ebay.es/itm/ASUS-V8460ULTRA-TD-N-128M-a-nVidia-AGP-Card-V8460-/200492655887?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2eae4b250f (http://www.ebay.es/itm/ASUS-V8460ULTRA-TD-N-128M-a-nVidia-AGP-Card-V8460-/200492655887?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2eae4b250f)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/21/!B)U33GwBWk~$(KGrHqIOKkYEwPTKcfjNBMM91fwUjw~~_12.JPG)

yes i have the guys number already hes selling to me for 35$ cash
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on January 03, 2015, 05:00:39 AM
A very interesting card is the Gainward Ultra/750. But this card appears in different versions, some based on the ti 4800SE ( AGP8X and NV 28), others based on to ti4600 (AGP4X and NV 25) ...

In some cases the data are confusing ...

The worst thing is to think, if this dual DVI 4600 are too similar to those Quadro 900 ...
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on April 18, 2015, 09:23:14 AM
The NV25 chip:

(http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/gainward_gf4_ti4600/gf4.jpg)

More info about Gainward Ultra/750:

http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/gainward_gf4_ti4600/1.shtml

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/gaingf4ti/

The NV25 chip (from Gainward Ultra/750):

(http://www.ixbt.com/video/images/gain-gf4ti/gain-4600-chip.jpg)
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 18, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
im pretty sure this gainward card will work.. looking at the gpu.. it a normal geforce 4 ti chip... gainward only uses this "golden sample" brandname whnever they have the MAX MAX specs on a product i think..
and i think they did this dvi implementation while maintaining compatibility + without adding any thing to break compatibility

theres one for sale from england for 33$ i think this brand was biggest in the uk re: its distribution
they were in the us too but not as much

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GAINWARD-GeForce-4-TI-4600-128MB-GS-AGP-Video-card-/261848503377?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf7631451

awesome looking card;)
seems all the best mac os 9 gear is red..
(if it could work)
like the seritek firmtek !
im surprised therse no mention of this card on the macelite

***it would be great if diehard could look on the chip of the 8460 graphics card to see if the chip matches this chip labelling***


the 8460 asus card also had in its name the word "ultra"
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/asus8460ultra/
(http://www.overclockersclub.com/vimages/asus8460ultra/1.jpg)
this name obviously comes from the fact that the nv25 chip is called this right on the chip itself
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 18, 2015, 01:53:32 PM
none of the other retail cards listed on gpureview for this nv25 chip are listed as being DVI/DVI .. gainward is notorious for pushing the max specs to the highest possible to gain supremacy over the competition

below a graph of other cards by albatron, abit, aopen, ELSA, joytech, MSI, BFG, PNY, leadtek using the same GPU
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 18, 2015, 02:10:38 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-128MB-PowerMac-G4-TI4600-DVI-ADC-NVidia-GeForce4-VideoCard-603-2645-VI159-/111394490850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19efa109e2

this guy is selling mac ti 4600 in numbers!
maybe we should do a group buy. to get a good price:D
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 18, 2015, 02:14:33 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-128MB-PowerMac-G4-TI4600-DVI-ADC-NVidia-GeForce4-VideoCard-603-2645-VI159-/111394490850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19efa109e2

this guy is selling mac ti 4600 in numbers!
maybe we should do a group buy. to get a good price:D

He may not ship to Spain.  >:( But he accept offers...
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 18, 2015, 05:20:23 PM
yes if u were to buy more then one im sure he would give a better price

imagine a g4 painted all red.. with these red cards inside.. + seritek + gainward ;D
with red LED lights on all fan replacements!!
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 18, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
welll i put in a low offer not expecting them to accept it. but HE DID!
i just got a asus 8460 ultra for 10$ ;D

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181711445518?rmvSB=true
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on April 19, 2015, 08:57:21 AM
I finally bought the Gainward Ultra/750 ...

let's see how it goes this time ...
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 19, 2015, 05:19:44 PM
congrats!
i cant wait to hear that it is a success  8)
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 19, 2015, 06:00:10 PM
I finally bought the Gainward Ultra/750 ...

let's see how it goes this time ...

I gave the tip http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2429.0 (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2429.0).  ;D Just in case you want to sell a slower card...I am at the Rage 128 level for DVI still. (ADC to DVI)  ;D

I hope it to work. It is hard to find only that Asus. In the way of searching in eBay I found the Gainward.

To my eyes it have the same layout of components than rare Apple BTO GeForce4 Ti. Just not uses Solid State on caps. I hope those caps not to melt on M.A.R.L.  ;D

The Gainware have the 2 Silicon Image too as the original with ADC+DVI. The Asus know-to-work with MacElite firmware only has one. VGA+DVI it's the only working to date.
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/asus-v8460 (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/asus-v8460)

Let's cross fingers...

Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 19, 2015, 06:27:02 PM
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nv-rom (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nv-rom)
Quote
Some of these edits is only needed for GeForce 6 and newer. GeForce 3/4 series only need Device ID settings and Timings Table as the other parts are not present in older ROMs

The PC GeForce 4 Ti4600 (Arti) 1105 firmware http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2 (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2) seem tested.

Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 19, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
theres another card to consider .. for flashing.. the pc Geforce 4 MX460 features a 300mhz core clock

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=125&card2=135
heres a comparison

has anyone seen this suma card?
http://media.ldlc.com/ld3/zoom/2002/LD0000447279.jpg
Suma Platinum
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on April 19, 2015, 10:21:11 PM
Performance should be better on GeForce 3 Ti than on the rest of GeForce 4 series but the Ti.

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=133&card2=125 (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=133&card2=125)

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=134&card2=125 (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=134&card2=125)

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=134&card2=127 (http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=134&card2=127)

There are some on MacElite:

Quote
MSI GeForce 3 Ti 200 Pro-VT (gotoh) , no hardware mod needed

rom designed for the specific model listed.
rom might need to be edited to work on other cards from the same series.

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ChainTech GeForce 3 Ti 200 (gotoh) , DVI or VGA, no dual display - no hardware mod needed

MSI GeForce 3 Ti 500 (JumpinJack) , DVI or VGA, no dual display - no hardware mod needed

The 3 know GeForce 4 hacks:

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PC GeForce 4MX (Arti), NV17 or NV18 core
PC GeForce 4 Ti4400 (Arti)
PC GeForce 4 Ti4600 (Arti)

Also, it is OSX related, but have some info on GeForce4 on Macs

http://themacelite.wikidot.com/kext-mod (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/kext-mod)

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NVIDIA Quadro 4 (nv25) series, the card is very close to GeForce 4 Ti series, using same GPU and PCB layout. Some even have dual DVI outputs.
Custom GeForce 4 Ti ROM will make the card work as a Mac Card, but a Kernel Panic will happen every time you try to boot with original NVIDIA extensions.

Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 20, 2015, 12:02:50 AM
its only better then the 4mx440 which is the gf4mx that shipd oem with powermacs
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on April 20, 2015, 09:41:32 AM
congrats!
i cant wait to hear that it is a success  8)

Yeah, me too. 8)

... or another bunch of euros to the trash ...
 :'(
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 12:10:22 AM
well u could always resell the quadro fx card! or use it in a pc.

Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on April 22, 2015, 10:35:49 AM
well u could always resell the quadro fx card! or use it in a pc.
This Quadro 900 crash the PC at boot, if is installed, so is unusable (by now...)
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 10:55:22 AM
is it possible that the rom chip on the card has been corrupted + needs to be replaced?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Quadro4_900_XGL_ES.jpg

this SST chip...
but to do this would require someone with a chip programmer.. + good soldering + Desolderng skills
and also another geforce 900 xgl

probably too much effort;)
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 10:59:40 AM
oops thats not the right card. not dual dvi.
u got the 980 xgl right?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/NVIDIA_Quadro4_980_XGL.jpg

u can see on this pic its the wrong GPU .. nv28
no wonder it didnt work.. needs to be nv25
and the capacitor layout is very different from the working ti4600

i think this gainward will work for you!!!!!! quickly + easily as it did for jerry
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on April 22, 2015, 11:43:44 AM
oops thats not the right card. not dual dvi.
u got the 980 xgl right?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/NVIDIA_Quadro4_980_XGL.jpg

No, I have Quadro XGL 900. Your pict is somewhat wrong, It says G-Force 4 on the heatsink while in the Quadro XGL 900 says Quadro4, and in the GPU too ... and it have dual DVI.

Quote
i think this gainward will work for you!!!!!! quickly + easily as it did for jerry

No, The Gainward I'm waiting for is very different from DieHards one. I will have to make a custom ROM for it ...  :-X
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on April 22, 2015, 11:46:46 AM
is it possible that the rom chip on the card has been corrupted + needs to be replaced?

The ROM chip have a wrong ROM file ...  :'(

Quote
this SST chip...
but to do this would require someone with a chip programmer.. + good soldering + Desolderng skills
and also another geforce 900 xgl

probably too much effort;)
Yes it is.
I have the original Quadro 900 ROM file, so maybe someday I can fix it ...
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 22, 2015, 12:17:36 PM
it wont take any new flash?
have u tried flashing it in a different computer?
i had problems flashing my radeon 9800 pro in one computer..
and then when i got another pc agp board it just worked...
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: MacTron on April 22, 2015, 12:41:50 PM
it wont take any new flash?
have u tried flashing it in a different computer?
i had problems flashing my radeon 9800 pro in one computer..
and then when i got another pc agp board it just worked...

No it won't. Because the PC freezes at boot, and that's the only PC I have with AGP port.
So maybe someday I will have more options, but by now ...
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium 4600 PC to Mac Flash. A preliminary study.
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 04:40:08 AM
you need a board in which u can tell it in the bios which graphics card to initialize first..
not all bios will give u this option.. i have one machine like this.. i can tell it.. boot from the pci graphics card.. and it will ignore the agp card on boot up. then u can drop to dos and try the flash.
Title: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: darthnVader on March 27, 2018, 11:21:53 AM
This is a GUI Rom Maker for the Geforce 4 NV25 GPU.

It should work with any NV25 card, however driver support in OS 9 is only guaranteed to work with the Ti 4600.

Usage: Open the Rom Maker, choose you PC Geforce 4 Video Bios file, choose the name of the Mac ROM output file. Flash you card.

NV25
device id   product
0x0250   NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4600]
0x0251   NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4400]
0x0252   NV25 [GeForce4 Ti]
0x0253   NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4200]
0x0258   NV25 [Quadro4 900 XGL]
0x0259   NV25 [Quadro4 750 XGL]
0x025b   NV25 [Quadro4 700 XGL]


It should be possible to get other cards to work with OS 9. If you try another card, please consult OS 9 Lives and DarthnVader.

Thanks to Arti Itra for this tool.

Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: reader50 on March 27, 2018, 11:35:27 AM
I'm not seeing a file link. Are my permissions too low?

I don't need this at the moment, just curious.
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: darthnVader on March 27, 2018, 11:58:15 AM
Sorry, I uploaded it to our adrive, but I haven't posted the link, yet.

Soon, surely later today.

I like being a tease. :P
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: DieHard on March 27, 2018, 03:21:40 PM
tease Over... it's Up :)

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,4329.0/topicseen.html
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: macStuff on March 28, 2018, 02:03:36 AM
Arti is legendary!
thanks for making this happen Darth

can we get a bit more information on this?
ive not inspected the files..
is it a native macos9 application?
or is it a script of some sort?
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: Gaz on March 28, 2018, 04:13:12 AM
I've a Ti4200 somewhere , i might give it a try  8)
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: darthnVader on March 28, 2018, 05:23:01 AM
Arti is legendary!
thanks for making this happen Darth

can we get a bit more information on this?
ive not inspected the files..
is it a native macos9 application?
or is it a script of some sort?

It's an OS X PPC app.

If memory serves, it's just a bunch of Pascal scripts wrapped up in a GUI. You can show the package contents and read the scripts to see what it does, or run it on a PC ROM and do a hex compare with the GF 4 ROM that is included in the package, with the output ROM to see all the changes.

 
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: macStuff on March 28, 2018, 06:10:20 AM
osx ppc?
so it requires a g3/g4 with OSX installed to make the rom.
good to know
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: DieHard on March 28, 2018, 07:21:47 PM
osx ppc?
so it requires a g3/g4 with OSX installed to make the rom.
good to know

Hmmm... think I better included that info on the download
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: dosdude1 on March 29, 2018, 08:16:12 PM
Thanks for posting this! I've actually been after finding a copy of this for YEARS, and have had no sign of ever finding it until now. Unfortunately, though, I am unable to download from the provided ADrive link, it keeps throwing a "Public File Busy" error. Is there any possibility of uploading to a different server or file hosting site? I'm really looking forward to flashing my GeForce 4Ti 4200. Thanks!
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: darthnVader on March 30, 2018, 02:51:13 AM
Thanks for posting this! I've actually been after finding a copy of this for YEARS, and have had no sign of ever finding it until now. Unfortunately, though, I am unable to download from the provided ADrive link, it keeps throwing a "Public File Busy" error. Is there any possibility of uploading to a different server or file hosting site? I'm really looking forward to flashing my GeForce 4Ti 4200. Thanks!

I'm getting that too, file busy.

PM me and I'll email it to you.
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: macStuff on March 31, 2018, 10:26:44 AM
please just post the file as an attachment
Title: Re: GeForce 4 Ti Rom Maker.
Post by: darthnVader on March 31, 2018, 11:08:39 AM
please just post the file as an attachment

Try:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1b-4_ppHb_a7fVtczy9dmRv-iiVof5TJI

You may need to chmod 755 the contents of the app to make the scripts executable, I'm not sure zipping them up preserves that.
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: macStuff on March 31, 2018, 07:28:06 PM
files in size  up to 60mb can be attached to *ANY* thread/post on the forums here
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: DieHard on April 19, 2018, 11:30:45 AM
Hey Darth,

OK... just got this one with some ewaste today, is this a candidate to burn ? says Model P83 on back in circuit board, on front: 180-10083-0000-A02
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: macStuff on April 19, 2018, 12:48:37 PM
diehard thats a 900 XGL!  dual dvi.. darth will show you the power of the darkside
too bad u cant fit it into your mini :D
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2016.0;attach=5168;image)
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: MacTron on April 19, 2018, 01:38:03 PM
diehard thats a 900 XGL!  dual dvi.. darth will show you the power of the darkside
Exactly as the one I had damaged ...   ;D ;D ;D

Even Though it can be flashed, Mac Os 9 nVidia drivers don't accept this card without mods -If I have correctly understood-
 ... Wait for darthnVader advice.
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: MacOS Plus on April 19, 2018, 06:47:52 PM
  Man!  An I'd be looking at well over $100 minimum on eBay for one of these.  Sh*t, DieHard, you just got crazy-lucky!!!
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: darthnVader on April 20, 2018, 03:33:45 AM
Hey Darth,

OK... just got this one with some ewaste today, is this a candidate to burn ? says Model P83 on back in circuit board, on front: 180-10083-0000-A02

A good chance you'll get a working FCode Rom from the Rom maker, however I don't think you'll find any driver support in 9/X.

I haven't been able to figure how to patch the OS 9 nVidia drivers like I did for ATI. Short of that, we'd have to find the resister that changes the last half byte of the Device ID.
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: macStuff on April 20, 2018, 08:36:08 PM
any success stories yet?
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: macStuff on April 20, 2018, 08:36:33 PM
  Man!  An I'd be looking at well over $100 minimum on eBay for one of these.  Sh*t, DieHard, you just got crazy-lucky!!!

dont pay that..
search for p83 nvidia

things go in cycles on ebay for sure
sometimes things are available in slews
and then .. nada

Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: DieHard on April 21, 2018, 10:03:21 PM
Darth,

I can send it to you with other items if you want to mess with it and post the results :)
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: DieHard on April 21, 2018, 10:09:46 PM
Quote
Man!  An I'd be looking at well over $100 minimum on eBay for one of these.  Sh*t, DieHard, you just got crazy-lucky!!!
LOL, I call it "Diehard Luck" it was in a box labeled with marker, "Working, but worthless old crap"

and the next box said "Old iMac, not used since move in 2007" so I have an early 2001 indigo that I don't want to throw out
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_400_indigo.html

It looks new, but I have no use for it and no box to ship it in :(  But it is free to any member here with local pickup or anyone that wants to pay a shipping place to box and ship.
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: macStuff on April 23, 2018, 03:34:05 PM
one mans junk.. another mans treasure
unless that man is diehard.. then his junk is his own treasure :D haha ;D
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: DieHard on April 23, 2018, 04:06:18 PM
one mans junk.. another mans treasure
unless that man is diehard.. then his junk is his own treasure :D haha ;D
So true :)
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: darthnVader on April 24, 2018, 08:06:37 PM
Darth,

I can send it to you with other items if you want to mess with it and post the results :)

That would likely be helpful, we may be able to figure out how to hack the nVidia drivers to work with this card.

I haven't been able to recover the one MacTron sent, bad EEPROM, tho there should be a way to load the FCdoe Rom from a file in Open Firmware, I can't really figure that either.

I've been ensured it can be done, and I'm sure the people that wrote FCode ROMs for PPC Macs used this to test ROM's before flashing them, but I just can't figure the correct commands.

Code: [Select]
load hd:10,\ppc\QuadroMac.rom
" agp/@10" open-dev to my-self
800040 1 byte-load
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: darthnVader on April 25, 2018, 01:37:21 PM
A little to report about the Geforce4/Quadro 4, as far as the Device ID.

We can Hard Mod the Device ID for cards that don't work with the OS 9 drivers.

Check you card first to ensure your device id is not already supported by OS 9's drivers. I know for a fact that 0x025b is supported under OS 9 without the need to mod the device ID.

On the back of the card locate R961-R963, remove any resisters from R963 and R961 and place one of them at R962. That will give a Device ID of 0x0250( Geforce 4 Ti 4600 ). This will enable any NV25 GPU to work with the OS 9 drivers.

Keep in mind, if you mod a Quadro ID to a Geforce you would lose any support under OS X for the Stereo 3D mini din, as OS X has Quadro drivers and it did support Stereo 3D.

Stereo 3D has never been tested on a Quadro 4 under OS X, so it may not work anyway, but when I get a chance I'll test it and see.
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker
Post by: ICCRRP on June 28, 2018, 07:27:42 PM
The Rom Maker got my ti 4200 128MB running again (a while ago I had manually got the rom working in macOS.. then flashed it back to PC after switching it with a geforce 5200 256MB which was a flashed 5500). Now I have my 4200 again yay and can goof around with it in MacOS9 until I figure out how to hack these nvidia drivers to use the 5200. Say the least I feel your pain on trying to figure out how to hack them. I have tried multiple editors, assemblers, and even tried decompiling them with no luck on decoding them. My plan for getting them to work was to see if nvidia holding to its "standards" would have also made the drivers simple. By simply being a this model can do this and this model can do this. Because in nvidia development it is a standardized set of commands and what not that is suppose to directly send information to the GPU, unlike in the past when you had to have a totally different set of instructions to pass the same commands to different cards. The skinny is i would take the highest compatible nvidia card and swap in the 5200 and etc. Than see what happens. If anybody can help me hack up the drivers to do that swap I have the hardware to test it! PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 1GHz Dual Core and a FX5200 256MB
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: macStuff on June 29, 2018, 12:10:05 AM
  Man!  An I'd be looking at well over $100 minimum on eBay for one of these.  Sh*t, DieHard, you just got crazy-lucky!!!

those are inflated prices by money hungry dorks
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: macStuff on May 20, 2019, 01:48:07 AM

(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2016.0;attach=5168;image)

what happeend with this ?
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker( Merged )
Post by: darthnVader on May 20, 2019, 05:23:18 AM

(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2016.0;attach=5168;image)

what happeend with this ?

One of the DVI outputs doesn't work in Digital mode.

So, if you are looking for a Dual DVI card, stick with the Gainwood.
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker
Post by: macStuff on May 20, 2019, 05:49:18 AM
You got the gainward working?! I forget the details its been awhile
Title: Re: Geforce4 Titanium Rom Maker
Post by: darthnVader on May 24, 2019, 06:38:04 PM
You got the gainward working?! I forget the details its been awhile

Yes, the Gainwood card works DVI-DVI, DVI-VGA, VGA-DVI.

Just feed the PC Bios to the ROM Maker and flash away.