Mac OS 9 Lives
Mac OS 9 Discussion => Hardware => Topic started by: aBc on December 14, 2025, 02:22:44 PM
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Not one to ever use GeekBench, before now (because as you know… OS9 Lives!) — but after assisting someone upgrading an 867 DP MDD with a 1.25 GHZ DP MDD CPU (via removal of the R676 resisitor from the 867’s mobo)… in order to increase the Bus Speed from 133 MHz to 167 MHz… thought I might compare EveryMac.com’s MDD stats (which use GeekBench 2.0).
Could only source GeekBench 2.2 and that only works with Tiger 10.4.11 (not 10.4.6). So some machines here were quickly updated to OS 10.4.11.
Now, if you compare the GeekBench score of the original 867 DP MDD (727) with that of the 2002 1.25 GHz DP MDD (1078) that seems a good OA performance boost. Yet, if you compare the original 867 DP against the Single Processor 2003 1.25 DP, somehow the GeekBench results are the exact same 727? Whaaat?
Apologies for the large, attached MDD graphic - but uploaded or embedded any smaller, it becomes nearly unreadable. So you might temporarily switch to the Forum’s “Blu” theme - OR drag the graphic out of your browser and onto your desktop and then view it there @ full size.
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7724.0;attach=16194;image)
Just for fun, compare the 2002 1.0 GHz DP MDD to the 2003 1.0 GHz Single Processor MDD. Geekbench 2.0. 727 vs. 570. But the 2003 FW 800 model was less expensive (by a mere $200). OR, the 2002 1.0 DP against the 2003 1.0 SP. (888 vs. 570) And $2499 vs. $1499. Wonder why I prefer to transplant 1.42 GHz DP processors onto FW 400 mobos?
EveryMac.com doesn’t list the 2003 1.25 DP MDDs’ specs (that I have yet to find anyway) but I did run GeekBench 2.2 on a 1.42 DP that I transplanted onto a 2003’s 1.25 DP’s mobo and came up with the following GeekBench 2.2 rating of 1167. Now I should put the original 1.25 DP CPU back in and GeekBench it again. AND maybe change the RAM. (Might also miss that 2.0 MB of L3 cache?)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7724.0;attach=16196;image)
AND this is all (of course) part of yet another little project on the ever-always-running list here.
So, anyone have a copy of GeekBench 2.0? • Awaiting an answer from EveryMac.com on this.
PowerBook G4 1.5 17 - Geekbench score here 808. Every Mac, 745.
G4 Quicksilver with 1.67 GHz Sonnet CPU, 855. Every Mac, 1.0 GHz QS, 888.
I still do not like GeekBench. ::)
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Awesome breakdown and really interesting results :)
Still. I have to admit, the single 1.25 2003 running OS 9 holds a special place in my heart.
Quieter that the Dual 867, 2MB cache, and most apps really didn't use the 2nd CPU in OS9, so the thermals were so much better. I guess we all have our fond memories and favorites.
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Awesome breakdown and really interesting results :)
Still. I have to admit, the single 1.25 2003 running OS 9 holds a special place in my heart.
Quieter that the Dual 867, 2MB cache, and most apps really didn't use the 2nd CPU in OS9, so the thermals were so much better. I guess we all have our fond memories and favorites.
Everything you said makes a ton of sense but nowadays with the hacked Mac OS 9 release, unless you need expandability/certain peripherals I don't see a great advantage of a tower 1.25 GHz G4 over a Mac mini 1.25 GHz G4. It's approximately the same speed, even quieter, uses much less energy, and takes up much less space.
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Everything you said makes a ton of sense but nowadays with the hacked Mac OS 9 release, unless you need expandability/certain peripherals I don't see a great advantage of a tower 1.25 GHz G4 over a Mac mini 1.25 GHz G4. It's approximately the same speed, even quieter, uses much less energy, and takes up much less space.
Well... yes... and no. Unfortunately, it is slightly more difficult to jam (2) Powercore Cards, (1) UAD1 Mackie Card and (1) 2496 into the G4 mini; this was my favorite setup for many years in the MDD.
I do, however, enjoy pulling up old projects on the mini for export, but most of the time I use a VM. At any rate, the mini is still an amazing machine for me to run OS9 and peruse all the legacy stuff that I used to create the site