Mac OS 9 Lives
Mac OS 9 Discussion => Hardware => Video Cards, Monitors & Displays => Topic started by: Syntho on February 20, 2014, 03:05:29 PM
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I have an ATI 9000. The monitor resolutions only give me a few options. I think that by updating the drivers and ATI software that it'll display the rest that are available (yes, I clicked 'show all'). Where can I get the latest installer/drivers for it?
http://gona.mactar.hu/ATI_Mac/ I checked here and installed the last updater from 2005 but that seems to be just an 'updater'.
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install the 8500 installer it works for all ati chips
and the updates are updates for that .. its the initial installer
(notice it says 1.0)
http://gona.mactar.hu/ATI_Mac/#8500
it doesnt say radeon 9000 beause the radeon 9000 wasnt even out in february 2002 i dont think but
thats the initial installer and then u can go about installing updates once u have that to start with.
note to fellow admins:
we should probably mirror those pages on our own server in case they decide to dissappear.
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Funny, I installed that and it didn't work. It tells me that I don't have an ATI card installed on this system. In the system profiler it says this:
Card Type: ATY,DDParent
Card Name: ATY, PheonixParent
Card Model: ATY,RY250
and so on.
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yes well your system is clearly just retarded..perhaps it burnt a piece of its brain last nite and now thinks its a geforce 2mx :D
the installer clearly says to install the drivers BEFORE putting the card into the system, i assume this is so it can be propery recognized.. so.. if u dont have another card to swap it out during driver install i would just try to reboot untill it sees it properly?
Requirements:
– Before installing your ATI Radeon 7000/8500 Mac Edition graphics accelerator card into your Power Macintosh computer, you must first install the driver
– With Radeon 7000/8500, after a logic board reset or cuda chip reset that resets the computer's parameter RAM, the first time the computer will boot and load the OS with dark screen, but after a restart it will boot with normal screen
– The installer recommends Mac OS 9.2.1
if u installed with diehard's freshdraginstall file.. then the driver should already be installed.
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I installed a bunch of those files, and some combination of them worked.
now my problem is that I can't turn the resolution to certain ones. I have the option of 1920X1080, and it works fine... but it makes everything on the screen too small. I'd like to roll it back with the same aspect ratio (16X9) to something like 1600X900 but it doesn't give me that. it gives me 1920X1080, and other resolutions that aren't 16X9 like 1280X1024.
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http://www2.ati.com/manuals/RADEON9000ProMacEdUserGuide.pdf - it definitely supports it. Just not showing up.
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so you are trying to get 1680x1050 widescreen resolution on a radeon 9000.. hmm
it works fine on my geforce4mx + geforce2mx
pretty sure widescreen is supported on the basic rage128.
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I tried to install some of those updaters too and it's giving me some weird error saying the program that installed it is no longer there, or sometihng
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can u please provide your fulls system details
you are doing this with an mdd ? radeon 9000?
and u have isntalled 9.2.2?
what monitor are u using?
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MDD 1.25, Radeon 9000, 9.2, Acer G235H. The Acer definitely supports it too.
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Also, I find that it won't windowbox my screen when changing it to a 4:3 resolution like 640X480. It stretches it and filled the entire monitor instead.
I also tried taking off the Apple Display to DVI adapter and it still gives me the same.
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I must have the wrong drivers.
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Where do you check for the driver versions in OS9? Not seeing it on the system profiler.
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It's weird that you have to install a driver with the card out of it. Now that I think of it, the back of my G4 has that little paper with all that it came with. It says that it came with an Nvidia TI card, but I received a Radeon 9000 installed in it. I read some instructions elsewhere that said to put the original card in, install the drivers, then switch.
However maybe all of that isn't necessary since as you said, DieHard's installation comes with the drivers.
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i just read a post saying that installing certain updates REMOVED some resolutions from being available..
did u have the resolutions available before?
and now they arent available?
dont go installing every single update
if it works.. dont mess with it
DID U DISABLE THE OTHER CARD TYPE EXTeNSIONS?
ie if u have an ati card go into extension manager and disable all the NVIDIA extensions
and vice versa if u have Nvidia disable the ATI extensions
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They weren't there before, and they aren't now. I just disabled the nvidia extensions. No go.
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how is the monitor connected ?
i bet u have it connected via DVI
connect it via VGA and u will have your resolutions.
these cards dont support alot of resolutions on DVI.
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The manual says otherwise though. There's an Apple connector and a DVI connector. I've tried both and neither work.
Is there supposed to be a 'driver version' area in the system profiler under Display Card? I don't see one on mine.
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http://www.motherboardpoint.com/radeon-9000-pro-widescreen-lcd-t75877.html
i dont have a radeon 9000 so i cant help u but i have no problem getting widescreen res with my 8500, my geforce4mx and my geforce2mx .. but.. i connect them via VGA and like i said i know theres more limitations with dvi supported resolutions wise
checking the manual i found these supported resolutions for the 9000 pro:
Display
Resolution
Maximum
Refresh Hz
640 x 480 200
720 x 480 200
800 x 600 200
832 x 624 75
1024 x 768 200
1152 x 864 200
1152 x 870 75
1280 x 960 200
1280 x 1024 150
1600 x 900 150
1600 x 1024 150
1600 x 1200 120
1792 x 1344 75
1856 x 1392 75
1920 x 1080 120
1920 x 1200 100
1920 x 1440 90
2048 x 1152 100
2048 x 1280 100
2048 x 1536 85
and then it says a seperate resolution table for "Digital flat panel"
TMDS
Frequency
Resolution Freq Hz
165MHz 1920 x 1200 60
140MHz 1600 x 1200 60
140MHz 1600 x 1024 60
125Mhz 1280 x 1024 60
but then at the bottom it says:
The RADEON 9000 PRO MAC EDITION has been used
successfully, without modification, set as high as 3840 x 2400
resolution at 15Hz on Digital Flat Panels that support this
resolution
"VGA Monitors are supported using a DVI-I-to-VGA video
adapter."
i would try using the dvi->vga adapter and see if it makes a difference
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http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=371506
this person reports it working fine at 1680x1050 *with a dvi-vga adapter*
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I'll go grab one on a second.
Am I suppose to see a driver version in the system profiler though?
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am I suppose to see a driver version in the system profiler though?
it doesnt say any driver versions in my system profiler either.
to see version info u would have to do "cmd-i" on the actual extension file in your system folder / extensions folder
that will show u the version + date created
my geforce4mx is in 1680x1050 mode right now and its connected via DVI
using nvidia drivers of course so the radeon 9000 should be capable of this aswell.
ill be replacing this video card shortly tho as ive read that when compared next to the performance of the geforce 4 TI's these cards are garbage!
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Oddly I'm getting some other resolutions to try but it's making my dock float up to the middle of the screen.
Surely if a video card and monitor can pull 1920X1080 it can do something less than that that's still 16X9. Hmm... I wonder if anyone else where has the same card and can test.
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By the way, these resolutions worked in OSX. I just can't select them here for some weird reason. I suspect it's a driver issue.
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I've got all kinds of stuff from ATI in the extensions manager. i'm not sure which one is the driver.
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Hopefully someone else with an MDD that has a Radeon 9000 in it can chime in and let me know if they can get 1920X1080 as well as something like 1600X900. Mine goes from 1920X1080 all the way to 1280X1024.
1920X1080 is the only 16X9 aspect ratio resolution that's provided, the rest are 4:3.
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Chris, do you have a monitor that can support 1920X1080? And if so, can you select multiple 16X9 resolutions to use?
640×360, 854×480, 960×540, 1024×576, 1280×720, 1366×768, 1600×900, 1920×1080 - all of those are 16X9. If you can select another one, I may just have to get another video card. I already bought that damned Apple adapter...
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Chris, do you have a monitor that can support 1920X1080? And if so, can you select multiple 16X9 resolutions to use?
640×360, 854×480, 960×540, 1024×576, 1280×720, 1366×768, 1600×900, 1920×1080 - all of those are 16X9. If you can select another one, I may just have to get another video card. I already bought that damned Apple adapter...
the geforce4mx card is the oem version that came with an MDD, it has a dvi port and an ADC
i have my g4 connected to a Cinema display and it only shows up 1680x1050 as the max res atm
these are the modes/options i get with the geforce4mx :
800x500
840x526
1024x640
1280x800
1344x840
1680x1050
g4 450mhz sawtooth -> geforce4mx -> dvi connector -> cinema display
i dont have osx installed on my sawtooth so thats all i can check for ya.
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if you are going to get another video card and 100% mac os 9 compatibility + performance is important to you, these are the cards you should be looking at:
geforce3 ti200, geforce3 ti500, geforce4 ti4200, radeon 8500, quadro 700xgl, quadro 750xgl, geforce4 ti4400, geforce4 ti4600, quadro 900xgl
all of them have fans but these fans are nothing compaerd to what fans are on video cards now..
these were the first wave of performance cards really ever made... relative to the current radeons + geforces anyway..
the radeon 8500LE is the same as the flagship radeon 8500. but with slightly slower clock speed + ram but apparently can be easily overclocked .. but this is 2014 and u can get the ti4600.. so just get one.. just do a search for "nvidia p83" on ebay.
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I need a dual DVI or DVI+Apple port one...
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I just tried another monitor. Apparently the resolution issue isn't so much with drivers, but the interaction of the monitor you're using and OS9. However it may just be this card. I'd still like other people to chime in and let us know if they can select multiple 16X9 resolutions.
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It's hard to tell where is the "problem".
I just tried another monitor. Apparently the resolution issue isn't so much with drivers, but the interaction of the monitor you're using and OS9.
Yes, I fully agree with this, a lot of things are involved to determine the monitor resolution list: Apple video manager, video drivers, video card, video connector and the monitor.
However it may just be this card. I'd still like other people to chime in and let us know if they can select multiple 16X9 resolutions.
Yes,I can select multiple "not 4/3" resolutions, like 1920x1080, 1680x1050, 1440x900, 1280x720, 1344x840,1280x800,1024x640,800x500...
As you asked me for help, let's try to do the few things that can be done to solve this.
So please download and restart your computer with this system folder, to discard a software issue:
http://www.macos9lives.com/downloads/membersdump/Mactron/MactronSystemFolder.sit
And let me know how it goes ...
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I'll be with you in just a few, have to finish soldering some cables -afro-
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Ok, I've got it booted. I found the Monitors area and it's still giving me the same resolutions as last time.
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Hey MacTron. I just put my G4 to rest for good. Having power & mobo issues. I'm getting a new G4 in the future and hopefully this won't be an issue.
Thanks for your help.
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Hey MacTron. I just put my G4 to rest for good. Having power & mobo issues. I'm getting a new G4 in the future and hopefully this won't be an issue.
Thanks for your help.
Lamentably, I couldn't find a solution -if any- This is a problem hard to solve (specially remotely) I saw it from the first post.
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Lamentably, I couldn't find a solution -if any- This is a problem hard to solve (specially remotely) I saw it from the first post.
Hey Syntho, look at what I just find in Macintosh Garden! :
"Try the Resolution manager utility located here (scroll down). Several years ago, I wrote the low level part (INIT) of this with Dan Palka doing the UI/testing/packaging up"
http://www.nasolab.com/freebies/index.html
Resolution Manager
This is a 2010 build of an old Mac OS Classic project that detects and allows the setting of all available resolutions for any display attached to your Mac, including ones the regular Monitors control panels do not show. Features a 10-second restore feature in the event you select an incompatible resolution, and the ability to export the detected resolutions as a text file. Consider Resolution Manager unfinished and still in beta. There will be no future updates.
*Should* work with System 7.5 through Mac OS 9.2.2. Compiled but untested with 68k code as well, just in case.
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I tried it. I couldn't see any additional resolutions with it. I also tried SwitchRes to no avail.
One thing I haven't tried is something called ResEdit. This program is for modifying control panels. I heard that you can edit the monitor display and manually add resolutions to it. I'm going to have to try that if all else fails.
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resEdit isnt for editing resolutions its for editing "resources"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResEdit
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/ResEditPatch.png)
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I know, someone said you can use it to edit resolutions. We're not confusing the 'Res' part with resolutions.
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Upon further investigation, I'm thinking this is just a limitation of the video card. DieHard has confirmed that he can select multiple 16X9 resolutions on his OS9 systems, however they were with other cards.
I can successfully select other 16X9 resolutions in OSX with this Radeon 9000, but not OS9. If someone else could chime in that has a Radeon 9000 that would be great, but it's looking like it's simply a limitation of this card.