Mac OS 9 Lives
General => New Member Welcome => Topic started by: hunterkarr on February 12, 2016, 09:33:19 AM
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Hi, Guys.
Die Hard, loved your welcome post!!! Absolutely, why reinvent the wheel?
My eMac (Logic Express 7) died recently and I'm real excited to have this opportunity to download something for an OS9 machine i picked up off Craigslist (an early G4 tower).
BTW, i'm still using my 1997 PowerPC running 7.6.1 (not for music, i lost my old Cubase, but for A-10 Cuba! and Kids games).
I'm not a real computer guy, but it seems like you guys will be able to help me out if i get stuck on an installation. Hope to be making some more music soon!!!!!!!
Ensoniq KS-32
AKAI MPC500
Guitar
Bass
Drums
Piano
https://soundcloud.com/dj_rockbeats
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl2Cmha_oWndTqgG4Eaid4Q
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Hi.
Great to have you here!
I love MPC rocker ;)
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Rock!!!!!
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More cowbell!!!! Cool!
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Not my style but nice too.
It's nice to have you here.
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Thank You!!!
I need to ask for your guys recommendation for a DAW to download for a G4 (AGP model) tower running OS9
I've used Garageband 3 and Logic 7 and they're fine. I liked their synths and effects and eventually figured out how to use the Time Pitch Machine in Logic.
I've never used ProTools, but am thinking of trying the ProTools Free.
What do you think?
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I would try Logic 4 if you came from Logic 7 and Garage Band.
I would pick a cheap Audiomedia III or a Digi 001 if you want a serious PT level with more than the 8 tracks that PTFree gave or a M-Audio AP 24/96 for Logic/Cubase.
I would use the Complete DAW Restore with Cubase VST/32 with Pre-Authorized Virtual Instuments & FX from http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2716.0 (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2716.0) as a starting point, and add Logic 4.x any version.
microLogic AV http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1487.0 (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1487.0) if you just want a multitrack recorder.
or 4.x from the Logic Anthology http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=811.0 (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=811.0) and copy the VST folder from cubase to the place that Logic is installed and delete all the plugs that can't be loaded in Logic (a few Cubasians only). Logic will complaint about them every time you boot Logic, so take a notepad and delete them until you find that logic loads to the autoload song.
Protools has a learning curve ideal for musicians IMHO. If you come from Logic it can be a Love/Hate story. In the end you can use Logic for composing and Protools for tracking.
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Thank you so much! Yeah, ProTools is looking a little complicated to me. I will probably try Logic 4.X maybe with the Cubase VST's
YOU Rock!
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Cubase VST, no doubt :)
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it's asking for a password for the Cubase download. Did i miss it somewhere?
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It is on the post. Read it twice!
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lol. Thank You :o
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Uh. Bear with me here.
In order to "create a small unused volume in Mac OS9 using disk utility" I need to select "mount volumes", correct?
I had an OS9 disk and booted from that (holding down C), opened disk utility, but the "mount volumes" option was greyed out when i selected the hard drive.
Am i on the right track? What am i doing wrong?
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Ok, I'm going to attempt to answer my own question.
I need to format a USB drive?
At this point i may just buy an old copy of OSX 10.3 so i can run Logic 7.
Or, i wish i could find a copy of Logic 4 or Cubase VST on EBay...
Not sure i can hack this :-[
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Hi, Hi…
Right idea, wrong app.
This is going to involve completely erasing your HD, so if there's anything on there you want to keep, back it up first!
After booting from the OS9 disk just as you did, launch "Drive Setup". Then:
Select your HD, then click "Initialize"
In the dialog box, click "Custom Setup"
From the "Partition Scheme" menu, choose 2
Now drag the horizontal lines in the "Volumes" map to create the small volume you need along with the much larger main volume
Click OK, then "Initialize"
When finished, you'll have two HD icons on the desktop. One drive, two volumes.
Piece of cake!
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Ok, for 'type' of volume it says 'Mac OS Extended'. Is that ok?
Am i supposed to reinstall OS9 at some point in this process? When?
(I guess we're already supposed to have a restore CD? I happen to have 9.0.4, but...)
My machine isn't connected to the internet so I was going to transfer the files with a USB stick. Will that work?
I still don't understand the purpose of the extra volume?
I'm also confused by these directions:
" launch the ASR and select the volume to newly created volume to restore to... remember it will erase the volume you are restoring to"
Thoughts? :-\
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OK, now that we know you're not connected to the internet, the general process here is to download the "instant DAW", restore (by burning) that image to an actual CDR, then install it to your previously prepared HD.
This is designed to be as simple as can be, but you'll have to tread carefully because it's apparent you have a lot to learn about the basics of the Mac at the same time - nothing wrong with that, just a reality.
Actually, you probably don't need the extra volume if you're not downloading the DAW from the net on this machine.(?) I believe it's just supposed to be a separated "landing point" for the download…
Personally, I can't speak to all of the details of the "instant DAW" instructions because I've never used it. I believe if you read the threads discussing it on the Forum and put that together with the instructions, you'll get it.
Maybe someone here who is familiar with this can take up this support with Hunterkarr?
Mr. Happy perhaps…?
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Thanks, Gary. That does help about burning the CD (didn't think of it).
Now i'm dealing with another problem, my CD tray won't open or read any disks, or start up holding down "c"...
I feel like it happened after i started effing around with the hard drive, but am not sure. Ugh
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How do you know that it doesn´t read any disks when it doesn´t open?
Are you sure that your CD is bootable?
Hold down the mouse button when you switch on your computer and the CD drive will open.
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It could happen that the CD reader is on slave? Check if it is on Master ( and the ZIP or drive under it is SLAVE).
My macs love to have all devices on cable select
Your CD reader could be incompatible. MacTron showed us a LG drive OS9 compatible on sale.
If you have OS X running on the machine, download the drag'n'drop OS9 version on the same drive from OSX and expand it. Check on Drive Utility if the drive has the OS9 drivers (needed to boot), nd you have a OS9 bootable system in the same drive than your OSX. Download the Cubase stuff and the ASR stuff, and you should boot OS9 from that drive. To do that: Control panels>startup disk and should appear the OS9 drag'n'drop system to. Then, Format/partition the target drive.
Then try to do this:
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You could erase the drag'n'drop system and the cubase instant daw compressed files (That is how we call the cubase stuff) after that, but I keep them in case I want to reinstall/ install on another mac.
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Ok, I'm going to attempt to answer my own question.
I need to format a USB drive?
At this point i may just buy an old copy of OSX 10.3 so i can run Logic 7.
Or, i wish i could find a copy of Logic 4 or Cubase VST on EBay...
Not sure i can hack this :-[
If you download it from a Mac (or a Win with MacDrive), format the USB drive as HFS+, but you could use a drive with FAT for transfering the files. Other thing to notice, the transfer rate that you will have will be bottlenecked by the OS9 USB 1.0 speed... I would write a DVD with all the files, because you will want to have this CUBASE install for all your OS9 machines. No matter if you have just 1 now. In the end you will find some more to play with. ;)
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-osx-mac-os-10-ppc (http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-osx-mac-os-10-ppc) in case you haven't any OSX disks
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Thanks, Gary. That does help about burning the CD (didn't think of it).
Now i'm dealing with another problem, my CD tray won't open or read any disks, or start up holding down "c"...
I feel like it happened after i started effing around with the hard drive, but am not sure. Ugh
If the CD tray won't open, try my diskless method. You just need Mac OS X running to start!
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Mat, yes. I booted up from it several times with an OS 9 CD this week whilst trying to partition my hard drive. I also loaded a few other apps using the drive previously.
Currently I paper-clipped it open and held down 'C', but no dice
I also tried zapping p-ram several times.
It sounds like the slave/master thing is a wiring issue so shouldn't be at fault since i've already successfully used the drive (and not changed any wiring)
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Now i'm dealing with another problem, my CD tray won't open or read any disks, or start up holding down "c"...
I feel like it happened after i started effing around with the hard drive, but am not sure. Ugh
Since you didn't define what "effing around" means, it seems logical to assume you got inside and played cable hockey with stuff while you were in there.
It sounds like you're getting a lesson in how easy it is to "eff up" a connection inside a computer - especially an older computer.
Go back in there, very carefully examine the cabling to your CD drive and hope for the best.
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Ha, no. I haven't opened up the case at all. I just meant when i was partitioning (and un-partitioning) my hard drive.
Thanks for responding. Not sure what would have caused the Cd to stop working. I did notice that the tray would get caught on the door on the way back into the machine, but i could only see that burning out the tray motor. Maybe a fuse?
I may give up on this computer for the time being. I don't like how the fan runs constantly anyway (not good for a recording studio).
I admire how you guys have deep knowledge about how these suckers work though. This whole situation is really just a function of me trying not to spend a lot of money, haha. I may try to resuscitate a Power Book G4 that's fallen out of use. I think the battery and power cord were bad. I've also hooked up my Gateway netbook and downloaded Audacity. It's more of a 'four-track' recorder with no real BPM grid.
Really, how did they make records back in the day??? I feel somewhat confined by the 'grid' but then pine for it when i don't have it, haha! Ah well, these are really happy problems then.
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Ha! I don't know how "they" made records buy my 4-track was just that: 4 tracks on 1/4-inch tape. BPM was maintained in your head…
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Protools 5 only has Midi click.
Am I the only one that has rendered (bounced to disk) a click track from Logic to use it as a audio click track on Protools?
Ha! I don't know how "they" made records buy my 4-track was just that: 4 tracks on 1/4-inch tape. BPM was maintained in your head…
I was raised in making four taps with my feet on the floor every 4/4 bar. And 3 on 3/4. The 5/4 is only for listening. ;D
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Am I the only one that has rendered (bounced to disk) a click track from Logic to use it as a audio click track on Protools?
Gotta admit, I never did that, but I did record an actual metronome to a tape track…
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Haha, Love it! Hey, I'm 43. I still have my Tascam 4-track!
Brubeck's 'Time Further Out' was the Valhalla of my parent's record collection when i was a kid! Man, those colors!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoKmh1S6qnc&list=PLD5A89EEDBA7E2073
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Am I the only one that has rendered (bounced to disk) a click track from Logic to use it as a audio click track on Protools?
Gotta admit, I never did that, but I did record an actual metronome to a tape track…
Analog metronome or digital?
I've to learn where to put the microphone on the metronome. ;D
Haha, Love it! Hey, I'm 43. I still have my Tascam 4-track!
Brubeck's 'Time Further Out' was the Valhalla of my parent's record collection when i was a kid! Man, those colors!
I still have my cassette MT-50 4-track from Yamaha. It was my first recording rig. I bought it with my first salary 21 years ago...
(http://www.muzoborudovanie.ru/equip/studio/portastd/pict/mt50.jpg)
It even let me do FSK sync (before MIDI) to sync my Yamaha RX-8 drum machine (second salary)
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/thumbs3/yamaha-rx8-454087.jpg)
Brubeck, Hendrix and Zappa came from other Planet surely.
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DBQ was my first musical influence really... 'Count down' and 'Time Out' mainly. As a 'tot' I was a big fan of Joe Morello and remember when the Beatles invaded I thought they were so silly in comparison ... ESPECIALLY Ringo!! Haha! ;D ;D
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??? We owe Ringo a lot.
I love all Morello Family, specially Tom
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alright Zack de la Rocha.
I had a depressing realization this morning, that before i gave my away non-working eMac (probably had a bad power supply), i could've swapped out the hard drive (with OS X and Logic installed), DVD/RW drive and extra RAM right into this G4 tower. I'm fairly sure they were compatible, the eMac also being a G4.
D'oh!!!!!
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I HATE those kinds of realizations!!! ;D
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Yay! The new AC adapter works with the G4 PowerBook (battery removed), so I'm back in business!
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Nice!!😁