Mac OS 9 Lives
Digital Audio Workstation & MIDI => Digital Audio Workstations & MIDI Applications => Topic started by: supernova777 on March 06, 2015, 11:51:21 PM
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as far as hardware goes,
i personally have a midiverb4 by alesis
i also own the plate140 plugin auth on my uad-1
i've always wanted to own a lexicon pcm reverb but they were always a bit more then i felt i wanted to spend .. perhaps a decision made while i was not knowing the importance of a quality reverb's effect on music production!
whats the first reverb you reach for?
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Lexiverb or RealVerb for me.
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TC Works Native reverb plus.
PSP84, PSP42 (Lexicon) and OhmForce OhmBoyz as Delay/Reverb based "multi efects" processors.
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For Reverb in PT5: Digidesign D-Verb, KOL RealVerb and Waves Renaisance Reverb. Delay Waves Supertap6 and all the Digidesign :Slap, short, sample, medium, mod and long delay.
On Logic 4.x : Waves Rverb, PianoVerb and the Logics ones: Platinum Verb and the family. I have to check if Logic Space Designer works on OS9,
but even if Space didn't all the blue old ones sound fine.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec03/articles/spacedesigner.htm (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec03/articles/spacedesigner.htm)
(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/dec03/images/spacedesignerheader.l.jpg)
This thing only works on OS9 in Logic 6.3!!!!But it works!!! Time to buy a XsKey. ;D
(http://www.session101.com/PlatinumVerb.jpg)
(http://www.session101.com/GoldVerb.jpg)
(http://www.session101.com/SilverVerb.jpg)
(http://www.session101.com/EnVerb.jpg)
The Delay in Logic has other options: Tape Delay ...
(http://www.session101.com/TapeDelay.jpg)
(http://www.session101.com/StereoDelay.jpg)
(http://www.session101.com/ModulationDelay.jpg)
I think there were a OS9 version on AudiEase Altiverb. It sounded great but that thing ate half CPU. I can't believe noone ever asked for it.
On OSX Breverb, IR-1, speakerphone ...
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mostly wind up using Reverb One and D Verb. Started playing around with Lexiverb lately.
On the hardware side, I have this Ibanez SDR 1000+ that I like quite a bit.
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I think there were a OS9 version on AudiEase Altiverb. It sounded great but that thing ate half CPU. I can't believe noone ever asked for it.[/size]
Yes, there was up to v 2.1.3 for OS 9 ...
It is the only Impulse response reverb for Mac Os 9, I think.
I will add it to my wish list, maybe someday...
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I think there were a OS9 version on AudiEase Altiverb.
Yes, there was up to v 2.1.3 for OS 9 ...
It is the only Impulse response reverb for Mac Os 9, I think.
Space Designer for Logic 6.3 and Altiverb are the only convolution reverbs on OS9 AFAIK.
mostly wind up using Reverb One and D Verb. Started playing around with Lexiverb lately.
There is something in D-Verb that makes it suitable for most singers. There is always a quick setup for D-Verb that makes most singer comfortable with it.
Reverb One and Lexiverb are TDM only. I have never tested on my rig, but on others rig yes. Every project need reverb, and based on where I mix it, I choose this or that, like most of us I guess.
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is lexiverb and realverb TDM only?
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hm, i believe i forgot something. :)
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is lexiverb and realverb TDM only?
K.O.L. Realverb and DigiD-Verb are RTAS.
Lexiverb, Reverb One are TDM
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K.O.L. Realverb and DigiD-Verb are RTAS.
Lexiverb, Reverb One are TDM
RealVerb is TDM and RTAS. Lexiverb TDM only. At least the version I have.
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Hey MacTrom... I think I might be able to help you out! ;) ;) ;)
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(http://pictures1.kyozou.com/pictures/_18/17418/17417042.jpg)
https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~dattorro/DP4_manual.pdf
anyone heard of an Ensoniq DP/4 Parallel effects processor?
its an old multi effects unit frm early 1990s
i think it does reverb aswell.
The Effects
The ENSONIQ DP/4+ Parallel Effects Processor has over 50 high fidelity fully programmable
digital effect algorithms. Reverb, chorusing, flanging, delay, distortion, pitch shifting and an
assortment of other programs are provided with dynamic control over most of the settings.
There are 400 effect presets; 200 ROM (Read Only Memory) and 200 additional RAM (Random
Access Memory) presets for you to edit or store your own creation
also a DP/2 version
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4sddo2Zbbt0J:www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_articles/dec95/ensoniqdp2.html+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk
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(http://www.sabellastudios.com/gear/Reverb_and_Effects/Lexicon%20PCM%2041-42.jpg)
the real hardware unit version of the psp42.. i think these are about 1000$ if u can find :o
digital delay processor i guess is somewhat slightly different from reverb
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heres an old page on lexiverb from 1998
http://www.sweetwater.com/publications/sweetnotes/sn-latesummer98/page-09.html
(http://www.sweetwater.com/publications/sweetnotes/sn-latesummer98/graphics/lexicon-lexiverb_screen-lrg.gif)
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also dont forget "magnus ambience"
http://magnus.smartelectronix.com/
(http://magnus.smartelectronix.com/images/ambience_mid.jpg)
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also, what about WAVES? dont they have a good reverb plugin?
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http://www.artsacoustic.com/artsacoustic_reverb.php
http://www.artsacoustic.com/aar_screenshots.php
isnt there a mac os 9 version of this "arts acoustics" plug too? i forget...
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also, what about WAVES? dont they have a good reverb plugin?
probably...
But I don't use Waves plugins ,because I think shell concept is a very bad thing, it introduces a warp adapter ( the shell ) at Waves convenience, not users, adding a level of software complexity that must be avoided, unless you don't have any alternatives ...
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what about the TC Native reverb? .. tc is the one with the compressor that doesnt work for sidechain because of the bug right?? or am i thinking of waves..
the reverb should be ok tho ?
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what about the TC Native reverb? .. tc is the one with the compressor that doesnt work for sidechain because of the bug right?? or am i thinking of waves..
the reverb should be ok tho ?
Yes it is.
The TC Reverb is my chosen one, ( the native and the Power Core version ) ...
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For Reverb in PT5: Digidesign D-Verb, KOL RealVerb and Waves Renaisance Reverb. Delay Waves Supertap6 and all the Digidesign :Slap, short, sample, medium, mod and long delay.
On Logic 4.x : Waves Rverb, PianoVerb and the Logics ones: Platinum Verb and the family.
also, what about WAVES? dont they have a good reverb plugin?
Waves has for OS9 2 good reverbs. TrueVerb and my favourite, Renaissance. They both sound great. Later IR-1, but I am not sure if Waves 4, the latest for OS9 AFAIK, includes it. I just use the Waves 3 pack. also, what about WAVES? dont they have a good reverb plugin?
probably...
But I don't use Waves plugins ,because I think shell concept is a very bad thing, it introduces a warp adapter ( the shell ) at Waves convenience, not users, adding a level of software complexity that must be avoided, unless you don't have any alternatives ...
For Audio, most of the best tools for the engineer comes from Waves. I had time of hate on them, but they always come back to projects, just because there are no comparable tools to most of theirs plugs
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(http://www.vintagedigital.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Yamaha-Rev7.jpg)
http://www.vintagedigital.com.au/yamaha-rev7-digital-reverberator/
yamaha rev7 - 1985 .. anyone ever used one of these?
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also theres the roland space Echo.. really old tape delay/echo/reverb vintage unit
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yamaha rev7 - late 80s.. anyone ever used one of these?
My oldest was a Yamaha SPX-90 mk 2 and a SPX-900.
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/yamaha-spx90-ii-487586.jpg)
(http://www.sound-dali.com/images/img_studioequip/yamaha_SPX900.jpg)
Shorts periods with SPX-990. A digitech bluerack unit (S-100).
(http://gufastro.free.fr/Instruments/spx990/spx990_front.gif)
(http://c1.zzounds.com/media/quality,85/S100-879de940ead8a770142f43b3566cdd7b.jpg)
Also, the best live one I tested Lexicon PCM-70
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/lexicon-pcm-70-218394.jpg)
On Studio the best one I heard are the TC black System 6000 with the remote and the Lexicon L480.
(http://cdn-assets.tcelectronic.com/ImageGen.ashx?image=/media/503395/s6k-frame-only.png&Constrain=True&width=440)
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i woudl liek to get a pcm series lexicon..
i hate that they are so expensive tho..
for the same price i could buy a cheap akai mpc 1000
(http://6be54c364949b623a3c0-4409a68c214f3a9eeca8d0265e9266c0.r0.cf2.rackcdn.com/445/images/mpc1000_top_lg.png)
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also theres the roland space Echo.. really old tape delay/echo/reverb vintage unit
I have seen 3 on different studios. Really great tool for any guitarist. I love Delay. I love even more tape delay.
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agreed . delay is present on most popular recordings.. its a must have for any good record!
http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/tech/roland-re-201-space-echo-23669/
i wonder how good this 2008 UAD remake of the space echo is
Ohm Force makes some reverb/delay plugin too i think
its called "OhmForce OhmBoyz"
(https://www.ohmforce.com/media/v5/ohmboyz_ss_classic.png)
pretty sure there is a mac os 9 version of it!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoFanAhh9QE[/youtube]
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i woudl liek to get a pcm series lexicon..
i hate that they are so expensive tho..
for the same price i could buy a cheap akai mpc 1000
If you produce electronic bases, MPC is a good tool (I prefer a piano, anyway). My yamaha RX-8 is a 12 pad with no aftertouch or velocity. I trigger there sounds, but a sensible MPC would be a better tool.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7ydbk_oCl9A/maxresdefault.jpg)
For a Engineer a Lexicon is a better tool than a MPC.
I thought you had a terratec or M-Audio midi keyboard-surface. I would go for the lexicon instead of the MPC.
I know MPC is legend for programming but I think it depend on how you learned to do (years ago ;D) the layering on the base.
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heres my emt140 uad plugin
(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/mar06/images/reverbplate4.l.jpg)
pretty sure it works on mac os 9 too
it sounds lovely last time i chekd
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For a Engineer a Lexicon is a better tool than a MPC.
I thought you had a terratec or M-Audio midi keyboard-surface. I would go for the lexicon instead of the MPC.
I know MPC is legend for programming but I think it depend on how you learned to do (years ago ;D) the layering on the base.
mpc is like many tools in one tho..
1-control surface (pads)
2-sampler (AD converter has compression + processing built in to make the samples sound great)
3-sequencer (u can make a track without any daw)
4-drum machine
great for resampling and building samples by combining + layering samples etc and then programming on the pads
u can use it as sequencer isntead of a daw
but most importantly the finished product has a certain feel + swing to it compared to using a computer
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i have a sampler tho.. and i have a sequencer.. many differnt ones actualy :D
but i dont have a really good compressor or a really good reverb..
i would like a joemeek twinq compressor or a dbx160 + a pcm 42/70/80/91 then i would be happy;)
im sure theres other options but thats what i know so far
(http://www.allprosound.com/catalog/images/multiimages/MIDIVERB%204.jpg)
heres an article on my "alesis midiverb 4" http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_articles/feb95/alesismidiverb4.html
i was trying to figure out the difference between it and the "quadraverb" also by alesis
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/alesis-quadraverb-q2-v2-179262.jpg)
ithink quadraverb is just older
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1994_articles/oct94/alesisq2.html
strange this q2 version has ADAT?? in/out?
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/digitech-tsr-12-11427.jpg)
here an article on the digitech tsr12
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1994_articles/nov94/digitechtsr12.html
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u can use it as sequencer instead of a daw
You can use an ATARI ST or an Amiga or even a C'64 as a sequencer
[youtube]MAsxMjV7zEg[/youtube]
Voyetra...
The important is to make music with the tools you had instead on wanting every tool. I talk for my own experience
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http://www.ampl.nl/quadraverb/models.htm
In 1988, Alesis Corp. introduced the original QuadraVerb, a music effects processor capable of four simultaneous effects in multiple configurations. Since then have been introduced:
QuadraVerb Plus,
QuadraVerb GT guitar effects Quadraverb Q2
Quadraverb Q20.
this page says the quadraverb dates back to 1988
this guy must really love his quadraverb!!!
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http://www.preservationsound.com/?p=1898
i found this great page on lexicon verbs of the 80's
(http://www.preservationsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/LexiconLineup80s.jpg)
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http://web.archive.org/web/20001109111500/http://www.lexicon.com/lexiverb/homeframe.htm
(http://web.archive.org/web/20001208023000im_/http://www.lexicon.com/images/LexiVerb-software.jpg)
heres an original webpage on the lexiverb (for pro tools)
System Requirements:
PCI-based ProTools ¨ TDM-equipped Core System
ProTools 4.0 software or later
Each instance of LexiVerb reverb requires a single DSP Farm ª chip for operation (there are four on a Digidesign DSP Farm)
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I've been using Lexiverb quite a bit lately ... there are some really nice/useful presets in there! ;D
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I think there were a OS9 version on AudiEase Altiverb.
Yes, there was up to v 2.1.3 for OS 9 ...
It is the only Impulse response reverb for Mac Os 9, I think.
You guys are getting lost in the weeds. Too many uploads. It's right under your noses.
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2332.0
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You guys are getting lost in the weeds. Too many uploads. It's right under your noses.
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2332.0
That talk was before the Altiverb appeared. Check dates!
I said "Altiverb" and It magically appeared on downloads 1 or 2 days later. I feel like Midas King! ;D
Please, do not show our downloads links just for members openly for google bots to snapshot us.
It is ok to link to the post, but not the Adrive link
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Sorry, live & learn…
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My favourite is the Lexicon 224 but i also have space for the DP4+ and Sony DPS V77. Also a Lexicon Studiocore PC90 which i sometimes use with my G3 Beige although its better on Win98 as you can route audio in and out without launching an ASIO application like cubase.
(http://s21.postimg.org/rt2cjwz7r/IMG_0016.jpg)
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u mean this lexicon studio core?
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=977.msg1010#msg1010
the original core or core 2?
ok i see it now.. directly under the ensoniq dp/4
above the 224
so u are able to route audio thru this..
and use the reverb effect? as an aux send??
i read that you can add up to 3 of these interfaces with one single lexicon card
expanding audio i/o to 24 in/out
does this unit that u have feature ADAT optical connection?
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hi,
ok there were meant to be 3 different expanders for the studio core but i think they only ever released this one the 12T and the 10T. I have seen the 10T on eBay a couple of times but without the special cable and its difficult to make that cable as it is HP with very fine pints.
On win98 i can use MIMO drivers and route audio as i would an external effects unit. On OS9 i have to use an ASIO program, i have tried the standalone VST wrapper type things to try and get the Lexicon PC90 VST to route audio without a DAW but i've not been successful.
My unit the 12T does have adat. The PC90 reverb is missing all the plates but it does have presets that differ from the PCM90 and Lex300 from which it is derived.
It is a great card but lexicon gave up on it too quickly. The other lexicon reverb on a card is the Nuverb and thats much closer to the Lex300.
Brochure here: http://rdn.harmanpro.com/product_documents/documents/1040_1340210163/Desktop_Brochure_original.pdf
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEXICON-STUDIO-12T-with-CORE-32-PCI-CARD-AND-PC-90-PCM-90-REVERB-CARD-/141537333763?pt=UK_Musical_AudioMIDI_Interfaces&hash=item20f4485203
sure wish i had seen this auction above!!!
(http://static.kvraudio.com/i/b/pantheon.jpg)
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/pantheon-by-lexicon
is there a compatible vst of this pantheon vst?
or does this require lexicon usb hardware?
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i think a lot of the lexicon reverb quality has to do with the analog side of their units. I just fixed a PCM80 and inside there is an AD1865 legendary DAC coupled to a Burr Brown oversampling filter which goes to an Op-amp and then a separate line driver by SSM a 2142. So you get distortion free gain, and a lot of gain and thats not to mention headroom on the D/A side.
On the 224 you have transformer coupled outputs in an Class A/B Amplifier arrangement.
So, plugins will get you so far but if you want the real deal you need hardware, in my view at least.
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was just reading this thread:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/84112-end-lexicon-reverb.html
someone on the thread suggested that lexicon is basically now defunct
and that the old people that brought the magic to the brand have made a new company called
http://www.bricasti.com/ represented by http://sonotechnique.ca/ in canada
and other companies abroad: http://www.bricasti.com/distributor.html
http://www.bricasti.com/m7.html
http://www.bricasti.com/m7m.html
(http://www.bricasti.com/images/M7_1.jpg)
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HARDWARE: Lexicon Reflex (because I have the Galaxy editor for it) OR MIDIVerb 4.
Like Swiss Army knives, they get the job done.
SOFTWARE: Altiverb, Ambience, Native Reverb Plus, any one of a dozen others.
REMARKABLE STANDOUT: PSP Pianoverb… who knew? It's supposed to sound like the inside of a grand piano. It's just a unique, cool sounding thang!
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does this design look familiar? 8)
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…sigh… yet another pretty thing I can't afford…
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHU_USkX0vo[/youtube]
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just was lookin up info on the Lexicon ALEX (1993)
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=1455.msg1552#msg1552
(http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1455.0;attach=2298;image)
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It's like a cut-down REFLEX without the deep programmability over MIDI.
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what about the pantheon vst.. does it exist for mac os 9?? i think it came out in 2004...
http://rdn.harmanpro.com/product_documents/documents/878_1331327942/Pantheon_Manual_180246B_original.pdf
checking this it says mac os 10.2.8 is required.. damn!!
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS FOR MAC®
• PowerMac®, G4 Processor (450 MHz or faster)
• Mac OS X version 10.2.8 or higher
• 256 MB RAM minimum (512MB recommended)
• 100 MB of available hard disk space
• Steinberg Cubase LE, SE, SL, or SX
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Lookin' good Chris!! ;D
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Yamaha R100.
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i think a lot of the lexicon reverb quality has to do with the analog side of their units.
i dont really think so, the more important parts are in the code. the 5 main algos used in the PCM series gives a specific character.
but of course you can also expect proper amplification in more expensive units.
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i think a lot of the lexicon reverb quality has to do with the analog side of their units.
i dont really think so, the more important parts are in the code. the 5 main algos used in the PCM series gives a specific character.
but of course you can also expect proper amplification in more expensive units.
The Lexicon stuff certainly has 'Character'! ;D