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Mac OS 9 Discussion => Mac OS 9, Hacks & Upgrades => Topic started by: supernova777 on September 28, 2014, 04:52:34 AM
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(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1860.0;attach=1103;image)
(http://www.betaarchive.co.uk/imageupload/1279798308.or.82926.jpg)
*note that this restore cd actually says "power *macintosh* g4" as opposed to "power mac g4" as the cds that came after it with 9.x do*
both the powermac g4 pci yikes & agp sawtooth were originally shipped with 8.6
this cd pictured above could actually be a pci graphics version of the cd..
im looking to find the agp version which contains a rare patched version of 8.6 that supports the AGP graphics motherboards
many people have looked for this and failed from what ive researched
the reason its so hard to find is that mac os 9 quickly replaced 8.6
this cd was only shipped with powermac g4 agp models that shipped from
August 31st 1999 through to October 20th 1999 or so, so maybe 6-7 weeks worth of
produced sawtooth macs came bundled with this
if everyone could help me to find this cd i would really appreciate it
ive done alot of work here on this site to help everyone else.. to turn this site into a powerful resource
for people doing audio production... i know theres alot of people who read the articles and dont chat on the board
but if any of you own a powermac g4 agp graphics that u bought new, if you could take a look for this cd,
it would mean alot to me ..
SSW 8.6 means system software 8.6, mac os 8.6.
attached also is a quote from a user on 68kmla who claims their
g4 agp unit is strangely "zippy" when this specific version is
installed
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1860.0;attach=1101;image)
thanks ;)
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May be I have the original CD-Rom, but I can't find it. But it doesn't matter, because the ROM is the main thing.
Here it is the ROM that startup the sawtooth with mac os 8.6:
https://www31.adrive.com/filemanager/downloadfile/64296321/d/1?o=2407783
This ROM should replace whatever ROM that comes with Mac os 8.6.
Mac Os 8.6 universal install refuse to be installed on the Sawtooth for sure. So the easy way is to install it on any other machine (a Power Mac G3 by example) and the copy it to the Sawtooth, and don't forget to replace the ROM file. The other way is to edit the list of supported hardware, but this is more complicated...
And to those of you that claim that "machine specific versions of mac os" provide accelerated enhanced performance, please show us (the non believers) some test results in G4 computers...
Because in a PM 8500/120 with 7.5.2 against the same machine with 9.04 I already know the result...
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right now i am figuring out how to install 8.6
i think i have it figured out how to allow the installer to run - i will post results after i test its stability
the process to fool te installer involves tricking the mac
with this software: "Wish I were" which adds a control panel that allows u to fool software
into thinking its an older mac
by changing the pram/nvram setting of which mac it is to be a lower model
http://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=20126
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1860.0;attach=1113;image)
the combination of this + the rom 2.5.1 will allow a sawtooth to boot 8.6
but any version other then the one on the above cd is designed for pci graphics macs only
so while it may work to start up, it will probably be unstable
the cd shown in the above post is 8.6 for AGP systems..
specificly designed for this machine by apple
this rom might work as well, but its realy for a g4 yikes pci graphics system
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1256?viewlocale=en_US
i believe i will be successfull in installing the 8.6 universal or international package
but i still am searching very much for this cd!!
no other version of 8.6 will contain the AGP enhanced version of 8.6
i will know in a short time how well this works...
im installing 8.6 right now.
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And to those of you that claim that "machine specific versions of mac os" provide accelerated enhanced performance, please show us (the non believers) some test results in G4 computers...
Because in a PM 8500/120 with 7.5.2 against the same machine with 9.04 I already know the result...
hey! you can believe whatever you want to believe! noone is forcing you ;)
the 8500 is not a B&W g3 or first edition AGP G4 (which were new types of macs, firewire, new world rom, usb etc)
perhaps the motherboard of the 8500 was not so radically different then the ones that came before it
to requiring custom modifications or enhancements.
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with this software: "Wish I were" which adds a control panel that allows u to fool software
into thinking its an older mac
Yes it is, I forgot this third way...
the combination of this + the rom 2.5.1 will allow a sawtooth to boot 8.6
but any version other then the one on the above cd is designed for pci graphics macs only
so while it may work to start up, it will probably be unstable
the cd shown in the above post is 8.6 for AGP systems..
specificly designed for this machine by apple
i believe i will be successfull in installing the 8.6 universal or international package
but i still am searching very much for this cd!!
no other version of 8.6 will contain the AGP enhanced version of 8.6
i will know in a short time how well this works...
im installing 8.6 right now.
It works well, I have done this a few year ago... but no benefit against 9.2.2. ...or at least I couldn't find it.
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i have just booted into 8.6 on the sawtooth 8)
but... the startup assistant started + Crashed immediately..
which is not a good sign.
but the finder windows are EXTREMELY FAST compared to any version of 9.0
if i had a very good video camera with high speed frame rate perhaps i could capture the speed of the finder windows
on 8.6 to compare with 9.x on this machine.. its a very big difference in responsiveness... there is no pause at all when clicking "macintosh hd"
the finder window INSTANTLY opens and zips into place all files already displayed..
when i run 9.x on the sawtooth theres always small pauses + waiting times when clicking a folder to open with the finder.
***updated errors/problems + observations with 8.6 hack on agp sawtooth
-ethernet does not work, built in ethernet port is not showing up in tcp/ip settings :( i suppose i could add a pci ethernet card and it would work
-firewire does not work, i plugged in my drive, and its not showing up, the drive light is powered on, it should work, but doesnt
-boot time is very fast...extremely fast compared to 9.x, so fast that i just rebooted, heard the chime, turned my back to the other computer for a few seconds and when i looked back it was already at the desktop, so fast that i thought it never rebooted LOL
i was reading something last night about them updating the usb + firewire drivers for the g4..
to enhance usb for the coming devices that were being invented at the time. a lacie usb hard drive was one of the
first to have specific usb "mass storage" drivers written for mac os 8.6 on the g4 (at usb 1.1 speed)
anyway im definately missing the drivers for the hardware
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i wonder if i installed "in place" overtop of a 9.x installation if the support files for the ethernet/firewire would be there (not overwritten because they arent present in this 8.6 install)
and just "work"
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another thing to add to this, if my mac goes to sleep, it is unable to wake up.. have to do reboot
tried using a firewire update + ethernet update to correcthe problem but it did not make firewire or my network device work under 8.6
;(
those results were all from using various 8.6 installations..
you think this is only because its 8.x + not 9.x but aha!
ive also tested it with a 9.0.4 restore cd that was labeled "powermac g4 software + restore"
and the results are the same, no ethernet, no firewire, + no wake from sleep
that is because this 9.0.4 version is for the gigabit ethernet/mystic motherboards
actually with this 9.0.4 version if u sleep the computer, u have to physically unplug the machine to get it to snap out of it
even pressing the reset button does nothing untill u physically unplug the computer
and the 8.6 is for the g3B&W/g4 yikes motherboard
the sawtooth is different from both of those as most of you know..
taking up to 2gb of ram, with an additional internal firewire port, etc etc
(the yikes/B&W have same # of slots but only accept 256mb modules x4=1gb)
would be reallly great if someone with original agp sawtooth restore cds would step forward
im really surprised this isnt posted somewhere already!!!
i will find out in a day or so if the cds i ordered are for the sawtooth when i test ethernet/firewire/sleep after installing them
once they get here in the mail
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i think i have found it!!
the above image is definately the one for the pci graphics..
if u look on the label of this cd, notice that it says cd version 1.2 rather then 1.0
also that it says "power mac" and not "power macintosh"
this must be it!!!!!!!!!!
i was given this image by user "almeath" on 68kmla.. *big thanks to him*
i am burning a copy of the iso now... hoping for working firewire + ethernet under 8.6!!!
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1860.0;attach=1125;image)
checking the contents of the cd it does indeed contain ASR 2.0.4 and "Power Mac G4 HD.img" original hard drive image!! i just mounted the restore hard drive image + checking the mac os rom IT IS VERSION 2.5.1!!!
so here it is ;) the cd has been found!!! ;)
in his private message to me he explained that he never had the problem of nonworking firewire + Ethernet -- now i can see why;) he has the right cd ;)
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software erase + restore took under 3 min to restore the original hd image..
on boot.. the setup assistant does not crash! ethernet is working! wake from sleep is also working!!
firewire drive is still not showing up.. and this works 100% fine under mac os 9.. but not showing presently with this original hd installed
packaged with the cd that was given to me by 'almeath' is also the 2.4 firmware (not sure if its original)
which is definately older then the updated 4.2.8f1 version that is on this mac now,
which was an update to do with mac os x compatibility + performance
im going to try to revert the firmware to this earlier version to see if this fixes the firewire not mounting..
the only problem is that this firmware updater app is saying my computer doesnt need the firmware
obviously because i have a more recent version then its looking for as a condition to start the update process
ok aha! i see.. this firmware updater says in the readme "will only run on powermac g4 agp systems running mac os 9.0 or later"
the updater details go on to say that the update fixes a problem using a usb + firewire drive as a startup disk + fixes some problem to do with
recognizing memory above 1gb when using ram from some 3rd party manufacturers..
sooooo its clearly not the original firmware.. maybe its not worth worrying about downgrading from 4.2.8f1 to this 2.4 firmware
everything but firewire is working fine.. im not sure why my firewire drive is not mounting..
but... maybe because of the size of the firwire drive!! its a 500gb firewire drive
maybe that is it!! does mac os 8.6 have a problem seeing a 500gb drive? ... hmmm.. probably!!! i think this must be why.
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ive also just realized that this 500gb firewire drive was formatted by mac os x 10.5+ or 10.6+ on intel platform.. i may have not included the "mac os 9 drivers" when i formatted this drive
i have never used it as a startup disk.. perhaps it is missing entirely the mac os 9 hard disk drivers.. or needs specifically 8.6 hard disk drivers to be recognized under 8.6..
i think i will try to find a fw400 enclosure and use a drive under 128gb and format it perhaps with osx 10.3 or 10.4 ppc and ensure i check "mac os 9 driver" installation and try again
if only i had another firewire device to connect to check with -- other than a hard drive..
maybe someone else can make a suggestion what type of device i could use..
perhaps a firewire cdrom..
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(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1860.0;attach=1125;image)
click here to download the original file given of the cd given to me by almeath cd version "1.2"
http://tinyurl.com/nq3gdtc
the file is in .iso format contained within a .zip file - might be best to extract on an X system first?
(this is what i did and i burnt it with toast 8 on my g5)
but maybe toast 5 can burn on os9 just fine too
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i've confirmed now that neither the B&W g3 450 (with its os8.6) or the Sawtooth g4 450 (with its os 8.6)
will mount this 500gb firewire drive.
checking system profiler i see some entries on the fw400 bus.. so i think it sees the device..
maybe i would have to use the 8.6 version of drive setup to format it with the correct drivers to see the drive..
or maybe the 500gb size is not recognizable to the firewire extensions.
more tests to come.. i hope to get to the bottom of this
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To solve the ethernet issue you can try "Apple Enet" v2.3.
And about FW drive, I have a 300 Gb FW disk working with Mac Os 8.6 in Sawtooth without any problem. This disk was formatted with Drive Setup v1.9.2
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more tests to come.. i hope to get to the bottom of this
Now you are ready for Sarah... (8.7)
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-87-sarah (http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-87-sarah)
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Now you are ready for Sarah... (8.7)
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-87-sarah (http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-87-sarah)
interesting! thanks ptleguy
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To solve the ethernet issue you can try "Apple Enet" v2.3.
And about FW drive, I have a 300 Gb FW disk working with Mac Os 8.6 in Sawtooth without any problem. This disk was formatted with Drive Setup v1.9.2
ok so thats probably the reason why.. as u can see from the images i grabbed from system profiler the fw bus sees the device no problem but literally does nothing when i plug in the drive..
ethernet + firewire + sleep all run fine now that i installed with this machine specific installer... just the firewire drive isnt mounting
probably because it came pre-formatted for mac os x (hfs+ extended) and i never re-formatted it before copying a large amt of data to the drive.. some crazy guys 32gb library ;D LOL!
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Now you are ready for Sarah... (8.7)
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-87-sarah (http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-87-sarah)
interesting! thanks ptleguy
Be careful! 8.7 alpha could be older than 8.5.1!
I would love to hear reports 8.6 vs 8.7 ;D
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well obviously i wont be running that on a sawtooth, as the whole point of the thread was that the sawtooth requires this custom-tailored version of 8.6
then again it would be interesting to know if this alpha includes support for the agp sawtooth!
should check the date of the files of the installation to see if its from after august 31st 1999.
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Mac Os 8.7 alpha is where 9.0.x disaster begins... IMHO
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i think the drive not mounting might be related to the actual drive itself.. not being compatible.
im trying to find some older 3.5" lacie enclosure.. or something else that actually lists compatibility with 8.6
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for those who are interested - my WD passport 500gb firewire drive mounts perfectly fine now that i updated the os of my sawtooth to mac os 9.1
not sure if its because of the os version itself, or if its the firewire extensions v2.7 that are enabling this...
i wonder if transplanting those firewire 2.7 extensions into an os9.0/9.0.2/9.04 or os8.6 install would also enable the drive
back to perfect functioning status.
***success
the extensions enable firewire working on the sawtooth for os8.6 aswell
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i wonder if transplanting those firewire 2.7 extensions into an os9.0/9.0.2/9.04 or os8.6 install would also enable the drive
back to perfect functioning status.
***success
the extensions enable firewire working on the sawtooth for os8.6 aswell
Now you are ready for : http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1011.0 (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1011.0) ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
Let's see where this all carry us. I hope a better OS for G3 DAWs
Offtopic: If a 8.6 system folder is replaced with some/most/all 9.2.2 extensions/panels, should we still call it a 8.6 install? It should be called a G3 OS8.6 9.2.2 Mixed SUNRISE system
if we let some "pure" 8.6 to work instead the moderns ones.
We have to look carefully the work of a Rage 128 GL (Classic G3 B&W graphics) with 8.6 vs 9.2.2´s MDD drag´n´drop on G3 systems. It is the only place (you mentioned troubles with radeon on 8.6) where there should be a difference that 1kwindows workbench finally will bust the myth. Rage 128 was a card included in G3s and almost all the G4s with the Digital Audio included. That time covers 8.5.1-9.1 age.
First G3 with ATI Rage 128 GL http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/specs/powermac_g3_300_bl.html (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/specs/powermac_g3_300_bl.html)
Last G4 with ATI Rage 128 Pro http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_466.html (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_466.html)
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I beg you to read the sunrise report.
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1011.0 (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1011.0)
You seem to be trying to test if they were wrong, and all your last month post are about you refusing to read it. :o ??? :o ??? ::)
THE OS8.6/9.x HYBRID SYSTEM
Load up a backup copy of MacOS8.6 System Folder onto the hard disk. If you don't have the luxury of MacOS8.6 on a backup disk, find someone who can give you a copy of MacOS8.5 and use the free MacOS8.6 Update to bring it up to date for your particular machine. You should be able to get this free 59MB update file directly from the Apple web site.
Now update almost all the extensions and control panels of OS8.6 from OS9.0.4-OS9.2.2 (except for those that are clearly designed for OS9 and a handful of other files which don't work well for G3 systems, such as the ATI Graphic Accelerator, AppleScript and a few others).
NOTE: You can use the Tome Viewer 1.3d utility to extract the files Mac OS ROM file version 8.4, file sharing extension 7.6.7, and Standard Addition OSAX. Replace the MacOS9.2.2 versions of these files with the older ones.
You can update almost all the OS8.6 extensions and control panels with the OS9.2.2 version barring the following:
(i) Mouse and Apple Menu Options control panels of OS9 create errors on startup (e.g. code fragment error). Keep to the OS8.6 versions.
(ii) AppleScript 1.8.3 does not load up. Stick with OS8.6 version and make sure Standard Additions in the Scripting Additions folder of the System Folder is version 1.3.7.
(iii) ATI extensions from OS9.2.2 are okay except the ATI Graphic Accelerator really sucks. Stick to OS8.6 of the ATI Graphic Accelerator extension or try the ATI extension version from OS9.0.4.
(iv) Don't use Foreign File Access extension version 5.3.3 of OS9 or you will not be able to play audio CDs. Stick with OS8.6 version.
(v) Speech 2.0.2 control panel may have trouble launching on your computer under OS8.6. Stick to version 1.5.3.
(vi) FontSync control panel and FontSync Extension does not work under OS8.6.
(vii) Keychain Access control panel and associated extensions don't work under OS8.6.
(viii) Software Update control panel and associated extensions (i.e. Software Update Engine and Software Update Scheduler) requires OS9. Remove for OS8.6.
(ix) Sherlock 2 of OS9 does not appear to work under OS9. Stick with the original Sherlock of OS8.6.
(x) Don't use the OS9 versions of File Sharing 9.0.2, General Controls 8.0.2, Internet 1.0.2, Memory 8.1.3, Monitors 8.6.4, Mouse 8.1.1, Multiple Users 1.4.1, Sound 8.5.8, and USB Printer Sharing 1.0.2 control panels under OS8.6. They require specialist OS9 subroutines to work.
(xi) Stick to the original File Sharing Extension and File Sharing Library of MacOS 8.6. The latest MacOS 9.2.2 file sharing extensions do work but keeps showing a message suggesting file sharing is not enabled even though it is being enabled.
Replace SimpleText 1.4 as the resources may have been corrupted under OS9. Otherwise, if it loads up okay under OS8.6, then use it.
Use an older version of Iomega Guest tool and extension than 6.x. It will be more stable and loads up much faster when you downgrade.
Be careful which third-party extensions and control panels you are running under this hybrid system. For example, a control panel combination of MC Font Menu by Bernie Zenis, Mac Unicorn software's Turbo Internet 2.1 and ApplWindows by Hiro Yamamoto may create problems for each other and possibly other third-party applications and some Apple software (e.g. NotePad) under OS8.6 or vice versa. Applications may show an error during quitting or suddenly hang when accessing a menu command (e.g. alarm call by Tristan Perich). Or probably alarm call is more unstable. Either way, try to launch all your essential applications (especially the older ones), see if the applications are behaving properly, and quit them. Any unusual behaviour can be traced usually to a third-party extension or control panel that you thought was okay under OS9 but may not be stable under the OS8.6/9 hybrid system software.
Do not install the latest Shared Library Manager 2.0.2 or Shared Library Manager PPC 2.0.2 from OS9.2.1. Stay with Shared Library Manager 2.0.1 and Shared Library Manager PPC 2.0.1 from OS8.6. Otherwise some older applications such as Aldus Persuasion 2.1 may experience unexpected crashes (although this idea is still being tested).
The OS9 version of the Finder file cannot be used to replace the OS8.6 Finder while running the OS8.6 System file. Why? Apple Computer, Inc. has decided to separate the DesktopItemsLib from older versions of Finder and place it inside either the System Resources or System file of OS9, thereby forcing customers to pay for an upgrade to OS9.
Stick with the ATI extensions of MacOS8.6. If you use the latest ATI extensions (especially the ATI Graphic Accelerator), certain older applications such as FileMaker Pro 3.0 will experience a problem — namely, the inability to draw the interfaces of the application using the latest ATI extension (version 5.x) leading to unexpected quits and freezes. This problem appears to be virtually non-existent using the older ATI extension (version 3.8.9 or 4.9.4).
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I always have *mixed* systems. My Mac Os 9 system folder is based on System and Finder from 9.2.2, Mac Os ROM v 10.2.1 and the remaining components are from diverse sources (including Mac Os 8.6) all those components were selected over the years.
My theory about System Folder components is to use the more updated components unless I have a good reason to use older versions. And this happen in some cases.
The Mac Os 8.6 I use in some machines is upgraded with a lot of components from 9.2.2 MDD (CPU 5.9)...
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these cards are exactly whats in my B&W,(the ati 128gl), and Sawtooth(ati 128 pro DVI/VGA)
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im just reading the sunrise page shared by ProToolsLEGuy
http://www.sunrisepage.com/computers/macclassic/macos9.htm
A Mac OS ROM or System problem
Dropping a file on an application may not open the file in that application.
this is something ive wondered about for a very long time! i posted about this didnt i? and i was really surprised that NOONE responded..
i thought this was something to do with the desktop file needing to be rebuilt.
this problem happened to me when i cloned the hd of my mdd and put it on to my quicksilver...
i thought it was a problem to do with the clone!!!! this makes total sense
this text from the sunrise guy (or group? whoevers site this is?) semi-confirms my suspicion that having the wrong mac os rom for a machine
can have bad consequences.. perhaps some roms are written to be universal (like those on the retail or universal install cds) but roms coming
on machine specific installers (such as the 10.2.1 rom on our circulated "fresh drag install") may have bad effects on other older macs!!!!!
also from what ive read of whats hes written here,
hes saying that from os 9.1 going forward the goal of apple was not stability for older machines under os 9.2.2 but that he suspects that they were purposely
not supporting older hardware and removing tried + true rock solid stable support code for older g3s out of the os itself, focusing purely on the performance
of mac os 9 when used alongside mac os x.. and that compatibility with X was more their priority then stability + performance under the old mac os.
There is also another reason: to encourage users to upgrade to the latest software. With OS X just around the corner, there has to be an incentive to force people to upgrade. So why not leave a number of bugs in the latest OS 9?
this kind of makes sense to me too..!
there is alot to read on this page tho!! i remember when i saw this page first i was like wow this is crazy .. way too long.. thats why i didnt read it at first LOL
still reading all of this it makes me question the sanity of this sunrise guy just a bit.. the writing style is somewhat eratic.. and how hes chosen to relay this information
is a bit unorganized..... clearly this guy had no idea of how to use ASR otherwise why wouldnt he just post his own "Sunrise system" restore image? and take all the multi-stepped instructions out of the equation..
like take this for example:
THE PREFERRED SOLUTION FOR G3 SYSTEMS
The preferred solution to this OS9 problem is simply to install OS8.6 on your G3 computer (which is much more stable and highly recommended in our opinion as this is the best pre-OSX system ever made). This necessitates finding a copy of the MacOS8.6 folder because OS9 does not allow you to install an older OS version.
wtf? why reccomend this instead of formatting + reinstalling from a proper install source to a new partition?
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ok now..
this is what i dont get..
he already mentioned that it could be the mac os rom that caused the problems higher up on in the page
BUT HE GOES ON TO SUGGEST TAKING THE MAC OS ROM FROM AN UPDATER USING TOME VIEWER??
so hes using an improper mac os rom.. and then complaining about apple not fixing the problem
when, its his own fault for using the wrong rom in the first place.. + hes running os X on the same partiton.. *facepalm*
this guys fucking nuts *os9 stability* LOL http://www.sunrisepage.com/aboutus.htm "MAking human knowledge stable + accessible to all" oooooooohkay buddy.. that makes no sense. LOL
"making human knowledge stable" LOL okkkkk wait.. what?? LOL
"let me totally fuck around with my os system version files.. and then complain to apple when it doesnt work right"
lol
OSX version 10.3.5 and OS9
Apple is now providing some updates to OS9.2.2 on a quiet level. But you will have to purchase OSX version 10.3.5 "Panther" or 10.4 "Tiger" to get the benefits (or better still, purchase a cheap second-hand Macintosh computer from someone else and it will almost certainly come with a free OSX installation CD burned on CD-R which is essential for every Macintosh). In version 10.3.5 of OSX, Apple has updated the AppleShare extension, the ATI extensions, Mac OS ROM, and the Classic Support system files for compatibility with the latest OSX, to name a few.
These updates do appear to make OS9 more stable for G4 systems (forget about G3 systems for the moment). There are only three problems remaining with OS9 following the latest updates: (i) Copying a file can cause intermittent hanging when starting or ending the copying process (still not resolved since OS9 was released); (ii) copying (or deleting) a large number of files (especially now that Adobe Acrobat Distiller 5 likes to create thousands of small text files during the distilling process and OSX applications can contain thousands of resource files) can cause the Finder to suddenly quit; and (iii) accessing the network with other OS9 machines can be quick initially, but very slow to pick up other machines in the Chooser afterwards if you have to remount servers. Usually it is quicker to restart the computer in order to reestablish network access.
Apple releases PowerBook Firmware Update for OS9.1 or higher
Apple has released a PowerBook Firmware 4.1.8 Update (988K) designed for laptops with in-built FireWire ports and running OS9.1 or higher. According to Apple's release notes:
"Firmware Update 4.1.8 includes improvements to Firewire target disk mode, network booting, gigabit networking (on systems with gigabit hardware), and system stability."
We will be testing the system stability to see if this is true. Can't download the update? Click here.
UPDATE
21 January 2004
The firmware update has not solved the hanging problem when copying files. A new hard drive does not make a difference either. All we can say is that it never existed in OS8 or earlier. This is entirely unique to OS9. Apple has yet to permanently solve this issue.
its my opinion that all the problems hes describing were caused by his own doing of mixing + matching too many system components..
what a retard..
the mac os is not meant to be totally fucked with..even what ive done by fixing my firewire by transplanting the later firewire extensions.
software is very complicated + interconnected.. u dont know how interconnected it is untill u see a visible problem happen but these extensions could be interconnected to other subsystems i dont agree with this guys perspective of totally mixing + matching the systems.. fixing firewire mounting to a drive that was made after the release of the os is one thing (as i have done overwriting only 2 files) but the extent of it that he suggests is madness..
i dont think i will be following this SUNRISE crap..
Why the capitalised SUNRISE?
It is basically an acronym for Search for a UNified Religion in Information for Social Equality.
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooook there buddy;)
i bet steve jobs + the people of apple were not impressed with this site. i think i saw these things about this page before
because i definately remember thinking this sunrise guy was batshit crazy.. now i remember why.
It does not matter if you believe in God or not. Simplifying knowledge will make you realise there is a way to see a grander pattern from which you can better understand all other patterns of life and the universe. Call this grander pattern what you will. All it matters is that it exists, and it is powerful. It is simply up to you find out for yourself what this grander pattern really is.
not hating - hes probably a nice guy - some of the coolest people on earth are nuts too;) maybe im nuts aswell for even reading this LOL
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forgetting the sunrise guy....
and back to real topics...
i think what he said about them being more concerned with X then stability of 9 does seem likely...
but when would this shift in thinking have happened?
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1860.0;attach=1186;image)
checking the dates of mac os x first release as being "march 2001"
the last update before this release, was mac os 9.1
from the time of 9.2, they were more concerned with compatibility between the two os co-existing.. this seems likely..
9.1 January 9, 2001
10.0 March 24, 2001
9.2 June 18 2001
9.2.1 August 21 2001
9.2.2 December 5 2001
Funeral of Mac os 9 - May 6, 2002 (just 5 months after the last update)
but who knows... speculating is just speculating theres no way to know for sure.. but they must have known the plan to bury the os + declare it dead... this was a huge move man...no other company has ever done anything like that...
its a shame the source code + original developers couldnt have at least donated it to a non-profit company to keep it working
like how firefox is a nonprofit company..