Digital Audio Workstation & MIDI => Digital Audio Workstations & MIDI Applications => Plugins (VST,TDM,RTAS,MAS) => Topic started by: MacTron on June 10, 2014, 01:24:34 PM
Title: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: MacTron on June 10, 2014, 01:24:34 PM
To understand how to Sidechain a compressor or any other VST in cubase, we must first take a look to how a proper sidechain works. We take a vocal stream "stereo spoken words" and a music background audio stream for this example::
We see two stereo audio streams going into the compressor (4 channels in total)...
But this setup isn't possible in Cubase, were only a stereo stream can go into the compressor (2 channels in total). So the "Trick" consist in to split the 2 stereo channels (4 channels in total) and rejoin it and send it to two compressors in a very peculiar way:
This is the key part. You should understand this picture, and try to go by yourself...
... because a lot of group sends has to be done to achieve this. I think that you must figure out by yourself on how to do this, if you look to the attached picture may think that is a real nightmare!
Click Image to Enlarge... (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1169.0;attach=354)
This example was done with the standard Cubase Dynamics compressor and this is how it sound:
I've tried this with the TC X3 compressor also, with "the same" result.
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: supernova777 on June 13, 2014, 10:17:04 AM
hah is that you speaking? -afro- 8) -afro-
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: MacTron on June 13, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
But it seems that it don't work, unless it were updated to 3.1. TC Works Native Bundle 3.1. Anybody?
And I thought I did something wrong....I can confirm that the 3.0 version doesn't work. :'( I sincerely hoped it would be the simple sidechain solution for os9. The search continues....
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: dr bu on June 21, 2014, 04:14:15 PM
the Pluggo-plugin "Dynamical" has a sidechain option, (to be used with PluggoBus). but i havent tried it. :-X :)
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: IIO on June 22, 2014, 10:38:20 AM
hm, and i was talking nonsense: of course i am using a sidechain plug-in, too. (as you cant have 4 inputs no matter what you try :))
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: arjen_1 on June 30, 2014, 07:01:10 AM
Any response yet? I've been searching the internet in it's darkest corners but I haven't found it yet. ::) I also contacted TC; they don't have it available. Officially abandonware!
Would be a milestone if we get it though. The only simple side chain solution for OS9. It must be somewhere....I'll keep searching!
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: supernova777 on July 03, 2014, 10:40:56 AM
what would be so different with 3.1 compared to the 3.0 + 2.0 versions posted already http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1182.0
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: MacTron on July 03, 2014, 11:47:24 AM
what would be so different with 3.1 compared to the 3.0 + 2.0 versions posted already http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1182.0
Sidechain bug fixed :)
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: supernova777 on July 03, 2014, 03:16:58 PM
ask BT if he has it! or get him to help try to network + track it down thats what i say
priv msg "Sonikarchitects"
doesnt the logic compressor support sidechain? is there anyway to use it from other apps? was it in vst format in earlier versions of logic and extractable to be used in cubase or ableton?
just thinking outloud;)
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: arjen_1 on July 04, 2014, 12:11:46 AM
Good suggestion. I just asked him. Ofcourse there are other options; like Mactron explained. However the TC native 3.1 option is much more user friendly and speeds up production big time. Just a combination of a sidechain plugin and a linked compressor plugin. ::)
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: supernova777 on July 04, 2014, 05:28:20 PM
Good suggestion. I just asked him. Ofcourse there are other options; like Mactron explained. However the TC native 3.1 option is much more user friendly and speeds up production big time. Just a combination of a sidechain plugin and a linked compressor plugin. ::)
well remember it was he himself who was asking the question on twitter.. u seem to have found the answer he was looking for, now maybe if he can use his network+ Resources we can get this thing taken care of;) it exists! we must find it!
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: MacTron on July 04, 2014, 06:14:39 PM
I have it. ...but... it is a very problematic .sit inside a .zip file!. Seems to decompress and install only on Os X, even though it clearly says in the Read Me that is for Mac Os 9... I've attached it in the next post, if some of you can give it a try and to have better luck than me...
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: supernova777 on July 04, 2014, 06:22:36 PM
mactron i downloaded and looked at the archive with osx rar expander and that seems to be a setup.exe file for pc only h20.nfo seems to be a pc only h20 release dated 12-12-2003 (win9x, win2k, winxp)
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: MacTron on July 04, 2014, 06:32:26 PM
Sorry! I've made a mistake. This is the file to which I'd refer:
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: supernova777 on July 04, 2014, 06:48:05 PM
omg after all of that it says it requires mac os 10.0 or higher
the installer is VISE 8.2.1 "mindvision software 1991-2003" Mon, november 10, 2003
... those were exactly my results :( so we have to find another copy...
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: supernova777 on July 04, 2014, 07:11:13 PM
ive attached the readme now..
yes this installer installs to /Library/Audio/Plugins under /vst i used serial "91201111" as told to use in the "delirium.nfo" (also attached)
seems to work great for osx...
the only reference to the sidechainer in the updates listed is: "fixed an error where Cubase or SPARK would crash when you load the side chainer plugin, prioer to loading the Compressor/DeEsser"
is this perhaps a clue to how to make it work fine with 3.0? simply load the Compressor/DeEsser first? before using the side chainer..?
you said it was a bug... maybe this is the way around?
also it says: "If you are updating from NATIVE BUNDLE version 3.0, and you installed to any additional VST Plug-Ins folder, you must manually remove it from your system. "
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: arjen_1 on July 11, 2014, 07:20:41 AM
is this perhaps a clue to how to make it work fine with 3.0? simply load the Compressor/DeEsser first? before using the side chainer..?
Nope unfortunately this doesn't work either. Guess we have to keep searching for v3.1. In other words....BT help us out! ;D
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: supernova777 on July 11, 2014, 07:39:19 AM
(http://mixonline.com/images/archive/NativeBundle.jpg) u can see here the key input dialog is lit up yet this never happens for some reason? it must be because there is no installer.. its a bad crack copy of it... i searched the tc electronics site web archive and there was no press releases about a bug or apology saying that it didnt work. it must just be a result of a bad crack of this app.. and requires some more indepth interaction with some sort of support files? perhaps instaled from installer ? i dont know any other vsts that would be thi sintelligent to communicate between each other 'companion pair' of vsts there must be more files required for this interaction
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: arjen_1 on August 31, 2014, 10:58:53 AM
Do the OSX files work? If so....I'll have to start thinking about a dual boot system with Cubase SX. ::)
if you think that will be easier than the solution i suggested above (picture), then using OSX is of course one way.
somehow it is not very logic that waves offers M/S processing in many plug-ins – but does not have stereo key input system for their dynamics plug-ins ...
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: supernova777 on August 31, 2014, 10:03:21 PM
tbh better to skip cubase sx and go straight to cubase 4 from what i read cubase 4 is a big improvement to sx.
pretty sure bt wasnt using this tho he was saying he used the waves c1 or c4 or something? in ableton live 4
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: arjen_1 on September 03, 2014, 12:12:44 PM
if you think that will be easier than the solution i suggested above (picture), then using OSX is of course one way.
I am going to try to make that work with the waves compressor. L to R sidechain. Basically as I understand it, it's all about flipping the left and right of 2 stereo tracks. That can also be achieved by exporting to four mono tracks and creating/importing 2 new stereo tracks. Haven't found the time to do the experiment.
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: IIO on September 03, 2014, 11:14:11 PM
yea, there are two ways,in protools or cubase you can switch the routing like in my picture, but of course, if you work with mono tracks / mono files in your sessions, you can also just switch the content of the tracks, or, even better, make copies of them.
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: SonikArchitects on September 08, 2014, 07:06:37 PM
Hey guys, did you figure this out? C1 in Logic works perfect. Ping me if you guys didn't get this sorted. Best, _BT
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: arjen_1 on September 09, 2014, 12:07:30 AM
Not entirely. C1 works in Cubase with some extensive additional routing. However we are still searching for a working OS9 copy of the TC Native Bundle 3.1 with the (working) sidechain plugin. So maybe you can help us out with that one? ::)
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: IIO on September 09, 2014, 02:28:34 AM
well, it is basically 6 alt-clicks at the cost of 2 stereo subgroups, and you are done. once you get the feeling for the routing you will easily remember how to do it by heart.
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: arjen_1 on September 09, 2014, 04:03:27 AM
Could you write a step by step instruction? That would help a lot of people.
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: IIO on September 09, 2014, 06:05:12 AM
hm. hmmm ... what exactly is unclear in the picture and required explanation?
Title: Re: Sidechain any VST in any Cubase version. Another try...
Post by: macStuff on June 29, 2018, 12:15:39 AM
we are still searching for a working OS9 copy of the TC Native Bundle 3.1 with the (working) sidechain plugin. So maybe you can help us out with that one? ::)
did this ever get found???? what about waves c1 sidechain?? still no go? what about T-racks plugin compressor!