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Mac OS 9 Discussion => Hardware => Storage => Topic started by: FBz on April 16, 2020, 10:19:15 PM
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while you are on it... please also test what happens when you use one startech, set
to CS, and one cheap green adapter. the difference between 4 & 17 euro=13 euro.
No need to throw your ADP-06 away.
Good news for those budget-minded Quicksilver owners among us that would like to utilize the inexpensive ADP-06 IDE/SATA adapter bridges with two drives on the main HD cable. You don’t have to buy two Addonics or StarTech (both red PCB) adapter bridges. Quicksilver owners (pre-2002 Quicksilvers anyway) need only buy one... and that might just be a Green "Bribge".
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5415.0;attach=7394;image)
ADP-06
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5415.0;attach=7392;image)
Greystash Green “Bribge”
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5415.0;attach=7355;image)
Addonics
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5415.0;attach=7357;image)
StarTech
AND maybe not one of the higher priced “RED” bridges, IF the much less-expensive “Bribge” adapters that Greystash has mentioned become available and also work. The “GREEN” PCB bridges use the JM20330 chipset while the “RED” ones use the Marvell chipsets. The questions of data read/write performance and of overall dependability between these two different chipsets rages on. I’ve used a JM20330 bridge in a Quicksilver now for about a year and a half with no problems AND a Marvell-based adapter sled in a Mac Mini and an Addonics (also Marvell chipset) in an external case for just as long.
MDD
One ADP-06 works just fine in either a Quicksilver or an MDD - when used by itself. Add another SSD in an MDD on the same ribbon and you then must have two of the Addonics or StarTech adapters. I’ve tried every combination that I could think of with an ADP-06 and a StarTech in an MDD and it’s a definite no-go. It only worked when I used two StarTechs with the jumpers set to Cable Select. And that may be the same for 2002 Quicksilvers as they are rumored to also be Cable Select(?).
The Quicksilver application is another (better) story.
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=7430;image)
Using one ADP-06 placed in the Master connector on the ribbon cable and the StarTech (jumpered as Slave) and placed at the end of the ribbon cable… well it works like a dream. [No IIO… not set as CS. I did try that.] Seems that the ADP-06 considers itself as a Master. But If Greystash’s adapters prove suitable and we can get our mitts on ‘em… well, perhaps no more need to ever buy another ADP-06.
Now I just need to fabricate some sort of spacer / mounting-thing to keep the two SSDs apart / level and stable within the Quicksilver’s case. AND Greystash reportedly is planning on a second adapter and plans to test data read/write performance. Hopefully I’ll acquire a couple soon enough to do the same tests within a single QS here, for comparisons. For now, I’m quite happy with the ADP-06 / StarTech combo setup.
$9.33 total for two (not each) for Greystash’s adapters from AliExpress - compared to the $35.08 for (2) StarTechs from NewEgg. That’s a $25.75 difference and I don’t care if they might be just a bit slower. Perhaps someone can find another source for the “Bribges”?
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5415.0;attach=7408;image)
Conventional Drive + SSD
AND if you have an old conventional SATA drive / 40-pin, you can set its’ jumpers as a Slave and place it on the end of the QS ribbon cable with only an ADP-06 & SSD in the Master position on that cable. That works too in the Quicksilver.
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so my assumption was right that you only need one startech in a QS 2002? great :P thanks for testing!
we shall call that system "master/select".
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wow, great informative post. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience! I wasn't even aware of the second HDD problem. So not all IDE / SATA adapters are created equal!
EDIT:
Just checked mine, yet another model (UP103-5?). Enclosed a photo. Looks similiar to the ADP-06. Didn't work in my MDD 2003 with another HDD on the same ribbon. I figured it was the SSDs fault because I couldn't find any reports on compatibility with PPC Macs.
Might give it another try and see if unplugging that second HDD helps ...
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Clarifications or More Mud…
Thanks Bolkonskij, looks like we’ve now another possible low-cost option over the RED Marvell chipset-based adapters and even though I can’t quite make out the printing on that chip, I’d guess that it’s a member of the •JM20330 chipset family. (aka: The “GREEN TEAM”) The JP103-5 adapter.
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=7436;image)
Bolkonskij's JP103-5 adapter - the "Bribge" challenger.
Especially good when one considers that little jumper (Red arrow) “PJ2” on the PCB, clearly marked Master / Slave. Perfect for the pre-2002 Quicksilvers and OK if only one on an MDD’s cable. (“There can be only one”) A very quick search here just now yields several possible sources for that adapter (other than direct from China or via AliExpress?).
Side question: Did you get an overclocked, dual processor CPU from Knezzen for your Power Mac G4, Dual 1.67 Ghz? An MDD, correct? (PM me.)
And IIO… not so sure about 2002 Quicksilvers per-se. https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_933_qs.html All the Quicksilvers here are pre-2002 models BUT they all do have Version “B” boards - which allow them the access & use of larger HDs. (Yes, getting muddier and less-clear now.)
Supposedly, the 2002 Quicksilvers went to the Cable Select setup, which might make them more like the CS MDD’s HD setting requirements. Strange when one considers all the HD ribbon cables in my older pre-2002 Quicksilvers have the notched cables (like the MDD cable selects) BUT mine all require Master / Slave settings. What were you saying before IIO, about things getting complicated and Apple not always sticking to certain specs? Ha-ha! It depends!
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5415.0;attach=7398;image)
Anyone here have an actual 2002 model Quicksilver? And then again, maybe my pre-2002 Quicksilvers were updated or modified with MOBOs from the 2002 models? They still require Master/Slave settings. So, who knows?
Guess I’ll be looking to buy some JP103-5 adapters anyway.
Thanks IIO & Bolkonskij.
UPDATE: Well it looks like all of the JP103-5 ship from China and while they are very inexpensive, I have a personal aversion to ordering direct from China. So, it looks like the same hurdle (for me) when ordering Greystash's "Bribge" adapters from AliExpress. Anyone having a U.S. or European source for either of these would be greatly appreciated. There is a source in Florida (U.S.) that has only two of the JP103-5 for $8.99 each + $14.00 for shipping... which puts them back in the Marvell-based (RED) adapter cost range. (Be certain to check for the Master/Slave jumpers when ordering from anywhere.) And Bolkonskij, do please report your findings concerning use with single drive in your G4. Thanks.
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JP-103-5 is the most common and the cheapest, that´s the ones i use everywhere.
@sataman recommends against them because of these two big capacitors might not last until the end of time.
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until know we called it best practice to avoid bidirectional adapters. but i would also like to bring them one into play.
i have one conrad electronics (14 euro with cables, cased, no jumpers but sexy switches) and one csl (9 euro, has a 4 pin jumper)
both once didnt work to connect SATA optical drives to QS 2001 and QS 2002 (but maybe i am just to stupid). maybe they would work right for the first HD?
a case is not the worst idea...
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Ooooh, sexy switches! Yet no mention of JM20330 or Marvell chipsets with those? But maybe another option to consider, test and compare? My current imaginary housemate (a ghostly COVID-19 inspired… wispy, floating apparition of Oprah) finds this all very amusing. ::)
But seriously now…
Anyone remember way back in 2018 when we tested the mSATA sleds for use in the Mac Mini? The Marvell chipsets produced the best read/write performance with MacBench & QuickBench (but not by a great margin) while the JMicron’s (JM20330's) were considerably less expensive. That debate between the two continues to this day with new information now offered by both “Teams” as to the other’s inferior or superior performance and MTBF. Capacitors or no… and depending upon which team you might choose. Go ahead, Google it.
And compare the cost quoted last Friday from the muy capitalista Florida-source for two JP103-5’s? $31.98 for two (including the shipping) for adapters that can be ordered direct from China for $2 to $3.00 each - with free shipping. There’s some very good profit for someone and supposedly those were “the last two in stock”. Hurry. Get ‘em while they last, cowboy!
Might as well shell out for the StarTechs.
From all this, I’ve learned that instead of a “dumb” ADP-06, that it might be better to choose JP-103-5 or even the EVB-002-3 (that’s Greystash’s “Bribge” adapter) because both offer the Master/Slave option at very low cost, whereas the ADP-06 does not. So, why buy an ADP-06 from this point on if you can get an M/S version in same or lower price range? Still, if you already have an ADP-06, it can be worked into the mix (in a Quicksilver anyway).
BUT nobody (IIO?) has yet offered conclusive proof that two JP103-5’s or the EVB-002-3’s will work together in a Master / Slave config (QS) or as Cable Select (in an MDD). Who wants to be first to provide that proof? (It might take a month before sets of both of these can arrive here from China for testing.) IIO if you have two of the JP-103-5’s would you be so kind as to set one as Master and one as Slave on a single cable in a *QS and report back? Or is your QS still non-functional at present? [*OR two - set to CS in an MDD?]
And this isn’t a matter of “I know something you don’t know” or “my adapter is better than yours” or “your adapter will never friggin’ work”. It’s about the testing and the actual performance results vs. the cost comparisons - that can then be passed on to others in our little community so that all might benefit and make a more-informed decision before purchase.
How CAN I make this work?
And to paraphrase an old great quote from MacOS Plus: I do it for… “the 'technological' challenge”.
Always looking for workarounds here and maybe the Conrad Electronics model might be absolutely great in a B&W G3? Or two “CS versions” for an MDD? Ideally, I’d like at least one of each type of the (JP-103-5 or EVB-002-3) adapters for head-to-head MacBench & QuickBench test comparisons here in the same machine.
I must now confer again with Oprah. :o
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And to paraphrase an old great quote from MacOS Plus: I do it for… “the 'technological' challenge”.
I think I probably fall into the 'technologically challenged' camp!
I wasted a bunch of time trying to get 2 'cheepos' working on a MDD...before I was aware of the 'No two on a cable' deal so I switched to the 'RED' team!! ;D
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What two "cheepos" were those? If they were the ADP-06's... yup, no can do. BUT if they were the "*others" (noted above) available in jumper-enabled versions (CS in case of the MDD and M/S for the QS). Please check and respond (and possibly save me time and money). Thank ya. ;)
*JP-103-5 or the EVB-002-3
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I'm thinking it was the ADP-06 but I'll check.
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Looks like I was using the 'Graystash' model... JMicron jm20330. I bought 3 of them...one doesn't work at all ( might have busted it during all of the drive wrestling)... I believe the others are in use in various MDD configuration but they are currently nestled in their rack and I don't wish to disturb them just now.
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not sure why the pic went sideways? :o
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Well, they all do seem quite "dainty" and not made for a great deal of wrasslin'.
And those only offer selection between Master & Slave... like the JP-103-5's.
Which suggests no-go for either in the MDDs (which require Cable Select).
But maybe ho-kay for zee Quicksilvers?
Thus... "Red Team" it is for the MDDs. Thanks! ;)
Yet, it does still beg the "IIO question" of whether leaving the jumpers completely off might yield a useable Cable Select state?
Ahh, sweet mysteries.
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Here is the info. ADP-06 for those who missed it with the MDD scenario:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,3576.0.html
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So... two ADP-06's worked in an MDD for you?
(From that one pic showing that config.)
Wouldn't work here on same main cable.
Never mind... "One SSD Only on the faster MDD controller".
One must read closely. ;)
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Damn. Mrhappy. That are some expensive Apogee converters and a pretty collection of studio MDD's there. Can you elaborate more on your setup?
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this thread and the SSD overview are going into the direction we always wanted.
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And IIO… not so sure about 2002 Quicksilvers per-se. https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_933_qs.html All the Quicksilvers here are pre-2002 models BUT they all do have Version “B” boards - which allow them the access & use of larger HDs. (Yes, getting muddier and less-clear now.)
forgot to answer... yes of course you are right, that there are several models/series with non-48 bit adressing suggests that they might have quite different controllers with a side effect on architecture. :)
the one which for sure has such an controller is the single 867 - anyone needs to test this.
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Little follow-up here - FBz was spot on! Took out all the hard drives and only put in my IDE/SATA adapter (see post above) with an SSD. And voilá, suddenly everything works fine.
"There can only be one". So true in this case.
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The multiple 'JMicron jm20330' model was the one that gave me problems with 2 on the main cable(MDD)... when it was ridin' solo things worked.
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...with JMicron JM20330 chipset
...with one using Marvell 88SA8052 chipset
@toasterking Thanks.
Great Info…
Clamshell, Sawtooth & PowerBook 190!
JM20330 vs. the Marvell chipset comparisons, application & use!
Where have you been for the last month or so, as comparisons are underway again? ::)
Ordered 2 each of the JP-103-5 & EVB-002-3 (JM20330-based) adapters
from China about a week ago for testing / comparisons with the StarTech
Marvell-based adapters and now their delivery has been “updated” to late June.
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i´ve looked around and there are at least 15 brands of dual channel IDE adapters.
the yellow startech is not even expensive, it starts at 12 bucks and includes cables. various brands with JM chip around, too.
if there are no issues appearing with both OSX and OS9 this should be the best solution for a quicksilver.
what i wonder is: they all seem to need power, which is not 100% ideal. maybe there is one which does not need power?
(https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/media/products/gallery_large/PATA2SATA2.C.jpg)
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Pleases provide source/link/search parameters for that yellow StarTech-based adapter and I’ll possibly add it to my shopping & test list. (Still waiting on China orders for the others.) And I might also pick up this WD 250GB / M.2 to try with it.
As for “power” / regarding the yellow Startech… is there a molex connector on the backside? (Like to see both sides of that adapter.)
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what i wonder is: they all seem to need power, which is not 100% ideal. maybe there is one which does not need power?
Of course it needs some power. There is chip and IDE40-connector cannot(/should not) give power for it.
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for me it is not so much "of course", as you can see from the big questionmarkt between my ears.
2 adapters with only 1 channel each dont need power, but 1 adapter with 2 channels needs power? this somehow doesnt make sense to me.
edit: ah wait, of course the single channel adapters will also drain power from the power in socket, and not just pass it through to the disk.^^
so, okay, but that means you need 3 power cables for 2 devices in a dual channel adapter. you save the PATA cable but you need an additional 5V, haha.
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As for “power” / regarding the yellow Startech… is there a molex connector on the backside? (Like to see both sides of that adapter.)
nono, it has those small connectors similar to jumper bridges. the cable for connecting it to molex is included.
it looks like the one of the singel channel startech adapter in your start post, just with the difference that the power is not forwarded to the SATA disks.
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so, here someone did half our job for us.
https://nextthing.co/sata-to-ide
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“so, here someone did half our job for us.” -IIO
Well, not quite.
MDD Bridge Options Update
Previous conclusion was that in order to run two SSDs on main MDD ATA cable, it was only possible with one IDE/SATA bridge (a JM20330 chipset - the GREEN variety) AND a StarTech (IDE2SAT2 - RED variety). This is now voided. The more expensive StarTech bridges offer a “Cable Select” jumper setting which somehow also facilitates the use of the several varieties of the less expensive JM20330-based IDE/SATA bridges on that same ATA cable. Of course two StarTechs, both set to Cable Select also work - if money is no object to you and you desire a meager increase in performance. StarTechs provide only slightly better (yet negligible here) benchmark results.
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8369;image) (http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8371;image)
All Hail the RXD-629A7-7
(The JP103-5’s doppelgänger?)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8355;image)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8357;image)
Late April / 2020 - ordered (2) JP103-5’s and (2) EVB-002-3’s (see below) from China via eBay for testing. After 90 days received refunds on both. A month later received (2) HXSP-0908F’s in place of the EVB-002-3’s AND a month after that… the RXD-629A7-7’s arrived in place of the JP103-5’s (via Kyrgyzstan). Total cost $14.22 for all four bridges before refund. Afterwards = $0. Have seen StarTechs recently offered from $18 - $35 and the RXD’s (in the U.S.) around $10 and under.
After much wringing of the hands and gnashing of the teeth here, finally discovered using two of the RXD’s on the ATA cable, that both SSD’s were recognized in a 1.25 DP MDD. (Perhaps same can be done with the old JP103-5’s?) Simply removed jumper completely from one RXD and set jumper on the other one as “Slave”. [This approach, originally alluded to by IIO - last year. He’s got that ESPN.] ;)
In this instance, both 128GB Inland Professional SSDs were pre-loaded with OS 9 in a Quicksilver 867 before the MDD attempt. At first neither SSD was recognized, nor would they boot the MDD. *This required a reboot with MacTron’s Rescue & Install disk (or other bootable CD) to then select an OS 9 SSD volume as a Startup disk. Erased OS 9 from the second (B) SSD and machine hasn’t failed to boot since.
Here’s the setup:
(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/postimages/RXD-629A7-7 Setup.png)
Notice the Slave jumper on A drive (where OS 9 resides) and no jumper on the B drive? Always thought that the last cable postion was ID=0? Whatever the case, this setup allows B drive to score better benchmark results than with a StarTech bridge. Really with this setup, the absolute best scores of any bridge here… in the MDD or Quicksilver. Don’t ask me why or how. And yes… repeatable results.
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8361;image)
Here’s the StarTech Benchmark:
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8363;image)
…versus the solo, RXD-629A7-7
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8365;image)
Anyone have (2) JP103-5’s to test this same approach? Please report results.
(I’m lookin’ at you, Mr. Happy.)
Still no EVB-002-3 (Greystash’s “Green Bribge”) here.
*And I doubt that they would work without a StarTech.(?)
**Except that when un-jumpered… they’re “Slaves”?
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8367;image)
AND… maybe now add the Inland Professional 128GB SSDs to our bootable OS9 SSD list.
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3 years of SATA philosophy only to help 17 potential readers to save USD 5,57 for a specific combination of cards, media, and mac models.
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btw, what about the alternative (front) SATA bus in the MDD?
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Figured out the improved benchmark results for “B” drive noted above. Originally formatted both SSDs with Drive Setup 1.9.2 and then reformatted “B” with Drive Setup 2.1 afterwards. Reformatted “A” drive today with 2.1 and ran QuickBench again which yielded the better results for the “A” drive. USE Drive Setup 2.1 for MDDs… doesn’t seem to make any difference with the Quicksilver.
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8401;image)
Above results / MDD.
Sourcing RXD-629A7-7’s
Most available sources for the RXD-629A7-7 are of a Chinese origin (eBay) and many of those show both the RXD and the JP103-5 mixed together in their available images. Still don’t know if those two are identical. There are some East and West coast listings on eBay - but you need to check very closely if you don’t want to wait 5 months for delivery.
Hate to say, but… It seems that Amazon might be the best option unless you can find a local source. Currently listing (2) RXD’s for $16.99. https://www.amazon.com/HDE-Computer-Drive-Interface-Adapter/dp/B00JVUXMRI
Quicksilver Results
*See MDD results above: Scroll up ∆
RXD-629A7-7 vs. the StarTech.
Tested w/ (2) Inland Professional 128 GB SSDs.
Both booting a Quicksilver 867 into OS 9.
One set as Master, one set as Slave.
QuickBench results (per Drive Setup 1.9.2):
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8403;image)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8405;image)
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For my dp mdd 1.25
I bought 2 adp06 kingpins on sale for 5 bucks each on Amazone. One on the ata 66 but that's is under the ata33 connector and the other on the master ata66 connector. OWC elextras ssd 120gb 35mb/s on the ata66 and 50mb/s on the right side ata66. I am waiting for the rx adapters to go on sale, so I can put the two owc drives on the master controller for both 50mb/s though I am not sure why I want to do it. they are now 16.99 but camelcamelcamel.com says wait. . .
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“I can put the two owc drives on the master controller for both 50mb/s though I am not sure why I want to do it.”
Actually the RXD adapters in an MDD will net you 74-82 MB/s (format drives with Drive Setup 2.1).
Granted, that’s more than half the rates of a FirmTek - SeriTek/iV4 card ($128.00)
- for a mere fraction of that cost ($16.00 for two). And it’s possible to find them for less.
(Don’t like Amazon - but good price for two & hopefully, more dependable & faster.)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8443;image)
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8359;image
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8401;image
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OK, so, amazingly the RXD-629A7-7 (manufacturer still unknown), wins again in the MDD cage mounting category !
A little bird told me that the RXD-629A7-7 is 1/16th of an inch less-wide than the KingWin ADP-06, so it fits in the cage absolutely perfectly.
Remember from my post on the ADP-06 (pics below), it always bugged me that I had to manually pry the cage open a little to accommodate the width of the ADP-06...
Note the buckling of the white sticky foam tape as a giveaway of adapter being slightly pressured by the force of the stretched open cage :(
(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost8.jpg)
(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost9.jpg)
So... bottom line... use ADP-06 if you want only 1 SSD and you want to stretch the MDD cage slightly OR
use the RXD-629A7-7 and install 1 or 2 SSDs and no stretching needed of the cage
Repeat after me (slowly and deep monotone)...
All Hail the RXD-629A7-7
All Hail the RXD-629A7-7
All Hail the RXD-629A7-7
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Got a pair of RXD-629A7 adapters. Put them with the OWC SSD Elektra 60Gb and 120Gb on the ATA66. ID 1 is set as Slave and ID 0 without the jumper.
50MB/s with Drive Genius on both drives. Better than the Kingwin adapters because I couldn't put them both on the faster bus, but not seeing the speeds you got.
First thing I did after replacing two caps on the PSU. Worked like a charm but didn't see any boost with Drive Setup 2.1. Maybe the OWC SSD are slower....
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Optimum test results for the RXD adapter achieved via MDD 1.25 DP
running only OS 9.2.2 and using QuickBench 1.0 (and 2.0)
with SSDs via ATA-100 connection.
*ATA-66 in the MDD did / does yield the lesser speeds you noted…
much like the Quicksilver results.
Is there a version of Drive Genius that runs under OS 9…
or were your SSD benchmark results OS X based via ATA-66?
Also achieved same optimum QuickBench results here with an OWC SSD
under OS 9.2.2. with the RXD. So no, the OWC SSDs aren’t slower.
However, MacBench 3.0 under OS 9 yielded slightly less
performance compared to QuickBench results with all SSDs tested here.
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8457;image)
Congrats on the PSU repair. 8)
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Meant ATA100. I have 2 quicksilvers and the mdd; so I default to ata 66 and 33. Anyway the difference between ata66 and ata100 is only a few mb/s difference at most. Must be the Ssd you used OWC ssd best 50-55 macbench or otherwise. Same as Kingwin. Difference is using them both on the same bus. That however causes other bottlenecks of its own. Sometimes better to have on separate bus particularly with DAW.
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(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8461;image)
Just re-formatted and re-tested this OWC SSD.
Again, this… on an MDD 1.25 DP / ATA-100.
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8463;image)
Anyway the difference between ata66 and ata100 is only a few mb/s difference at most.
Before my MDD stopped working I was getting around 50mps with the Kingwin and OWC Elektra on the 100ata and 30mps on the 66.
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Last, but not entirely least… the elusive EVB-002-3 / Bribge adapter.
Finally…
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8703;image)
After forever failing to acquire any of these for testing
…we now have them in very great abundance.
As a special for members, they’re now available for $8.99 each
- which includes postage within the continental United States.
(PM Diehard or moi.)
[ADP-06 adapters are now selling for $9.99.]
With their available Master / Slave jumper, they perform well in MDDs
& Quicksilvers as solo adapters. Have tested them with conventional
(mechanical) drives ranging from 750GB up to 1TB and most recently
with SSDs ranging from 120GB and up to the latest, Crucial 1TB SSD.
*Optimum Read / Write performance in MDD’s is in the mid-80 MB/sec and
(of course) less in the Quicksilvers with 50+ MB/sec performance.
Regretfully, they don’t work in pairs on the same ribbon cable regardless of
how you set their jumper. Best alone, on a cable - with a BIG drive.
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europeans by from china. ;)
bribge 2,57
https://www.ebay.de/itm/272737875966?hash=item3f8071b7fe:g:5b4AAOSw-29ZUo1u
normal 4,15
https://www.ebay.de/itm/303979509113?hash=item46c6973579:g:NREAAOSwHqpa4CEy
macmini 3,61
https://www.ebay.de/itm/143929135790?hash=item2182d852ae:g:7egAAOSwnYpdQ~F9
you can usually trust dealers with only 1000-5000 transactions... the´re often the cheapest because they are working on their rating.
but as always, be careful what you click.
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Seems now that the lowly Bribge adapter has possibly earned just a bit of redemption here.
At least in this particular application. (I think that DieHard might just have a few Bribges left.)
Nice holiday gifts… at a low-low price? ;)
When used in this manner to add an Inland 128 GB SSD to a G3 B&W* - already with a conventional 80 GB HD present… it actually worked! The Seagate pictured below offers jumper settings for “Master with non-ATA compatible slave”. So, if you’ve a similar conventional drive that also provides for this two jumper arrangement, it might be worth removing the jumper from the Bribge adapter and assigning that added SSD slave status?
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=9266;image)
*Mind you, this B&W has the Rev.2 mobo that allows 2 HDs. (Rev.1 did not.)
You’ll need to check specific jumper settings for your conventional drive - as jumper settings may vary from each conventional drive to drive. This worked with the Seagate HD pictured.
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When used in this manner to add an Inland 128 GB SSD to a G3 B&W* - already with a conventional 80 GB HD present… it actually worked! The Seagate pictured below offers jumper settings for “Master with non-ATA compatible slave”. So, if you’ve a similar conventional drive that also provides for this two jumper arrangement, it might be worth removing the jumper from the Bribge adapter and assigning that added SSD slave status?
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=8703;image)
OK, this is ground breaking for ALL G3 Blue and White Tower owners with Rev2 Logic boards ! To Actually be able to add an SSD and a Mechanical on the same cable IDE PATA Bus with the with the dirt cheap "Bribge" adapter is awesome. In an amazing twist of fate as the Chinese incorrectly spelled "bridge" and it sailed thru quality control and actually printed "Bribge" on the circuit board, this is actually a blessing. We can identify the very well made, dirt cheap, "Bribge" as the winner for G3 B&W Towers. Remember, this bad boy (EVB-002-03) has no capacitor issues (like the RXD poor workmanship) and it is soldered very well near the IDE pin-out, so I am guessing we should start a new thread just for the B&W G3 towers and test all combinations of hard drive types, also try (2) SSDs and/or (2) SATA mechanicals and so on with this great little piece of technology. We should make a "All Hail the EVB-003-02 for G3" Topic.
And yes... we bought a boat-load of these for members so that the "Bribge" has a great future ahead :)
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Continuation of the EVB-003-02 / Bribge adapter (in a B&W) examination follows here:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=6127.msg45792#msg45792
The B&W saga continues…
Insert gratuitous image here, of two 80 GB “Bad Boy” hard drives
...from those thrilling days of yesteryear!
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5436.0;attach=9272;image)