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Classic Mac OS Hardware => DAW - Audio & MIDI Hardware => Topic started by: supernova777 on December 07, 2013, 04:50:42 PM

Title: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on December 07, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
updating this list of possibilities for adat expansion on interfaces
such as the 2408, or DIGI 001, DIGI 002, etc any interface that features ADAT expansion

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul06/articles/qa0706_4.htm

echo audiofire pre 8 (2010) (also a standalone firewire interface but obviously not mac os 9 compatible due to its lack of age)
(http://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/styles/news_large/s3/imagelibrary/E/EchoAudiofirepre8_02.jpg?LouamIVOp8sSx9kekslxSxMYAUo_Rggv=&itok=wxwH262h)
(http://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/styles/news_large/s3/imagelibrary/E/EchoAudiofirepre8_03.jpg?eeORI6MhxUSR2j_aF_xlCCYd1m3jWO2s=&itok=qPsvQwPB)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr10/articles/echoaudiofirepre8.htm

art tube opto 8 (2009)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427.0;attach=452;image)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427.0;attach=454;image)
looks similar to http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug09/articles/arttubefire8.htm minus the firewire

Onyx 800R
(http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/original_50460_OigRmuPaZ5QC7akzrMb16qnnv.jpg)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb05/articles/mackieonyx800r.htm

Behringer ADA8000 (2004)
(http://altomusic.com/media/catalog/product/1/0/10021970.jpg)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun04/articles/behringerada.htm

Presonus Digimax  D8
(http://www.presonus.com/uploads/press/images/digimaxd8-press-big.jpg)

MOTU 2408 (standalone mode)
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/motu-2408-mk2-555654.jpg)

MOTU 8 PRE (firewire interface + adat extension unit)
(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/apr07/images/MOTU8Pre_l.jpg)
(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/apr07/images/MOTU8PreRear_l.jpg)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr07/articles/motu8pre.htm

Presonus Firestation (standalone mode)
(http://www.prosoundweb.com/images/uploads/PreSonusFire.jpg)

Edirol UA1000 (standalone mode)
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/edirol-ua-1000-325346.jpg)

Alesis aI-1 / alesis ai-2 / alesis ai-3
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427.0;attach=2421;image)
http://www.pgtonstudio.ch/AI1_Manual.pdf
http://alesis.com/ai1 | http://alesis.com/ai2 | http://alesis.com/ai3 | http://alesis.com/ai4
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1994_articles/jul94/alesisal1.html

this is a work in progress please feel free to help me grow this information;)
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on June 27, 2014, 05:34:39 PM
not sure whether to put this under adat or mixing consoles!

Korg DRS 168rc (1996)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTAwWDE2MDA=/z/1dgAAOSw~CRTpc7p/$_57.JPG)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1996_articles/dec96/korg168rc.html
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on July 08, 2014, 03:31:55 PM
art tube opto 8
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427.0;attach=452;image)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427.0;attach=454;image)
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on July 08, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
My Liquid Saffire 56 can be a 8ch adat slave. But it needs to run 10.4 or 10.5 to make adjustements for the standalone (without firewire) mode.http://us.focusrite.com/firewire-audio-interfaces/liquid-saffire-56 (http://us.focusrite.com/firewire-audio-interfaces/liquid-saffire-56)
(http://c390.r90.cf3.rackcdn.com/liquid_saffire_56222.jpg)
(http://c390.r90.cf3.rackcdn.com/liquid_saffire_56224.jpg)
(http://c390.r90.cf3.rackcdn.com/liquid_saffire_56228.jpg)
(http://d3se566zfvnmhf.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/answerbase/en/LS56_Wiring_1.png)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may09/articles/liquidsaffire56.htm (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may09/articles/liquidsaffire56.htm)
The "Liquid" Pre emulations...
Quote
The Liquid Saffire 56 offers you the following ‘flavours’ of preamp:
Emulation Name   Emulated Preamp
Trany H   API3124+
Silver 2   Avalon VT-737SP
FF Red 1 H   Focusrite RED1
Saville Row   Helios console
Dunk   Manley Slam!
New Age 1   Millennia HV3D
Class A 2A   Neve 1073
Old Tube   Pultec MB1
Deutsch 72   Telefunken V72
Stellar 1B   Universal Audio M610
Flat   No emulation running

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhgJJsnxyg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhgJJsnxyg)

http://mikeriversaudio.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/focusrite-liquid-saffire-56-review.pdf (http://mikeriversaudio.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/focusrite-liquid-saffire-56-review.pdf)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zyZiRwXJNQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on July 08, 2014, 04:50:39 PM
i should add the octopre dynamic.. this is a very good one.. with compression built in on every cahnnel i believe
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on July 08, 2014, 07:59:42 PM
i should add the octopre dynamic.. this is a very good one.. with compression built in on every cahnnel i believe
Too many OctoPres...
Focusrite OctoPre LE Platinum series(mk1  ;D)...
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/thumbs3/focusrite-octopre-le-438863.jpg)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul05/articles/octoprele.htm

Focusrite OctoPre
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427.0;attach=490;image)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep02/articles/octopre.asp

OctoPre MkII (LE)
(http://c390.r90.cf3.rackcdn.com/octopre_mkii256.jpg)
(http://c390.r90.cf3.rackcdn.com/octopre_mkii257.jpg)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul05/articles/octoprele.htm

Focusrite OctoPre MkII Dynamic
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427.0;attach=492;image)

Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on July 09, 2014, 12:45:52 PM
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xoctopre&_nkw=octopre&_sacat=0&_from=R40

was hoping to see some cheap prices on original octopre-- guess again!
i guess that means these guys  are still as valuable as they were on day 1 in the studio and are getting used
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on July 09, 2014, 11:21:13 PM
just read there was an update to the ADA8000 by behringer: (apparently their best selling product!!!)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep13/articles/behringer-ultragain-ada8200.htm
(http://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/styles/news_large/s3/imagelibrary/B/BehringerADA8200-02.jpg?1GV6xOUoKUTWBSWlgPmN4iz79xgevEHQ=&itok=gpyW0yqO)
(http://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net/styles/news_large/s3/imagelibrary/B/BehringerADA8200-03.jpg?CRBpwNSi6cizCKnKUsZJ6J8K__fi5K_s=&itok=HJkQKa_4)

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct13/articles/rme-octamicxtc.htm
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: DieHard on July 09, 2014, 11:41:38 PM
Protools5LEGuy,

(http://img.audiofanzine.com/image.php?lang=fr&identifier=id&size=normal&module=product&product_id=1685)
Hmmm… maybe this can get you more inputs as an ADAT slave for a super cheap price !  We talked about the Presonus Firestation in the past, but is suffered as interface due to bugs with it's Mlan implementation.  I would like to add it here as an ADAT slave (no drivers necessary).  Set it up just like an octpre. it has word clock In BNC and eight channel ADAT light pipe I/O and also some pretty good sounding Pre(s) as I remember… also adjustable gain on the line stuff !

Firestation Specs: http://www.presonus.com/products/FIREstation/features

ebay usual price (less than $125)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Presonus-Firestation-Audio-MIDI-Interface-No-Reserve-/281305275338?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Interfaces&hash=item417f19dbca&nma=true&si=xmVMozZQAhKdnCfJ6gZ7fAthEWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Sound on Sound Complete review: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb03/articles/presonusfirestation.asp

Forgot it also has a real tube in pre-amp:
Quote
The Firestation includes two preamps which are switchable between solid-state and tube driven. That's right: inside the hi-tech outer skin of this beast lurks a real 12AX7 vacuum tube, for adding "greater warmth and a richer sound

I think this counts as the best "bang for the buck" ADAT slave if it works as imaged in your setup :)
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on July 10, 2014, 06:26:26 PM
just read there was an update to the ADA8000 by behringer: (apparently their best selling product!!!)


The 8200 has Midas designed PREs 8)
Protools5LEGuy,

Hmmm… maybe this can get you more inputs as an ADAT slave for a super cheap price ! 

What about the 20 bit Fostex VC-8?


Or an Alesis old ADAT 16bits/modern 20bitsblack with dead heads? Or Tascam Adat clone with 8mm video tape ones?

What makes a convertor a good convertor?

Not a single firestation on ebay... :P
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on July 11, 2014, 02:17:44 AM
http://bdm.cc/2014/02/adat-layla/

check this out someone actually modified a layla to be an adat expansion for an RME card!wow thats alot of work
 :o

i was trying to think what the most modern setup gear wise on mac os 9 could be
and i got to thinking it would involve
one of these:
(http://www.rme-audio.de/images/products/products_hdsp_9652_2b.jpg)
+ 3 new'ish adat mic pre unit i/os clocked off the RME via BNC
heck even just one, would give u updated quality sound of 2014 in mac os 9
(http://www.soundsliveshop.com/Resources/Content/OctopreD2FR.jpg)
octopre dynamic would do the job nicely;)

couldnt PTLE5guy get similar results by feeding the saffire 56 into the adat in's on the DIGI 001?
i suppose the difference is word clock.. support.. the digi must beable to clock via adat /spdif tho..

the other ultimate mac os set up would be the digi 002 + Adat slave unit
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec02/articles/digi002.asp
(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/dec02/images/digiheader.gif)
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on July 11, 2014, 02:49:38 AM
ok i see now that the original
Focusrite OctoPre
was very similar to the onyx 800r
i like that feature of the db25 analog breakout i/o
makes it pretty versatile in its use!!!!

are there any other units that have that feature?? i guess not listed here!
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on October 10, 2014, 11:01:47 AM
looks like theres a new version of the ADA8000 already
(http://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/750/ADA8200-large.jpg)
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ADA8200

its lookin mighty fine;)
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on October 11, 2014, 11:45:43 PM
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/swissonic-ad24-378700.jpg)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr99/articles/musicnet.htm
 8)
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 03, 2015, 09:44:38 AM
one that i missed (i think)
the m-audio octane
http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=6801
(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/sep04/images/maudiooctanefront.l.jpg)
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 04, 2015, 11:11:21 AM
another one to add is the 880 A/D and 880 D/A that go with the soundlink DRS system by KORG
(http://www.dancetech.com/aa_dt_new/hardware/images/880-RACKS.gif)

http://web.archive.org/web/19990128183947/http://www.korg.com/sndlnk4.htm

(http://www.mister-arthur.com/images/photos/2013/annonces/110713_063507_PEEL_SuqjVM.jpg)
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: mrhappy on April 05, 2015, 12:14:47 AM
The OS 9 ProTools uses the 'ADAT Bridge' (16 channels of ADAT communication ) to integrate these interfaces/ mixers and whatnot.
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 05, 2015, 12:55:43 AM
The OS 9 ProTools uses the 'ADAT Bridge' (16 channels of ADAT communication ) to integrate these interfaces/ mixers and whatnot.

http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=970.0
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 10, 2015, 05:41:25 AM
http://www.pcrecording.com/wcpci.htm

another converter is the tango 24 by frontier design circa 1996-1998
(http://www.pcrecording.com/tangofront.jpg)
(http://www.pcrecording.com/tangoback.jpg)
Quote
Tango24 Specifications

    8 analog I/O, 24-bit, 48kHz (Crystal CS4390 Inputs/CS5360 Outputs)
    1/4" TRS jacks, jumper selectable +4dBu or -10dBV levels
    Switchable input/output level meters
    ADAT optical in/out/thru
    Internal (44.1 or 48 kHz) and external clock modes
    Frequency response: +/- 0.05 dB, 20Hz-20kHz
    Dynamic range: 105 dB A-weighted
    THD+N: 0.002%
    115 dB signal-to-noise-ratio
    1U Rack-mountable external converter box
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 16, 2015, 09:43:31 AM
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar04/articles/apogee.htm
apogee rosetta

(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/mar04/images/apogee2.l.jpg)

(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/mar04/images/apogee1.l.jpg)

at first u think its annoying that this needs db25 breakout cables.. but it eliminates the possibility of screwed up trs socket/ports
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 19, 2015, 03:53:23 AM
Aphex Model 141
(http://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/750/141-large.jpg)
ok this is only one way.. digital to analog
so really it doesnt belong in this list ;D
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 24, 2015, 06:24:56 AM
another to add:
probably very rare, never seen it listed anywhere.
the midiman pipeline 8x8
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=525.0
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 25, 2015, 05:41:41 AM
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FCA1616.aspx

behringer fca1616 has same midas mic pres as the ada8200 i think.. minus the xlr connections..
+ is firewire/usb compatible with modern os... and works as a converter in standalone mode to send its analog ins + outs over adat i/o
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 25, 2015, 10:10:24 PM
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2482.new#new

looks like the yamaha i88x will support adat

looks like it a rack mount version of the 01x

Quote
Yamaha have now introduced the mLAN-friendly i88X, a unit that contains much of the I/O functionality of the 01X, but minus the mixer/control surface elements (in much the same way that Digidesign introduced the Digi 002 Rack based upon the Digi 002). Housed in a 1U rack, the i88X boast an eight-in/eight-out analogue format with two high-quality mic preamps based upon those found in the top-of-the-range DM2000 mixer, plus optical and co-axial digital I/O, direct monitoring, MIDI I/O and, of course, mLAN connectivity. The eight channels of analogue I/O are available simultaneously with eight ADAT channels and stereo S/PDIF, offering a total of 18 channels of I/O at 44.1 and 48 kHz; at 88.2 and 96 kHz, the ADAT connection is multiplexed to offer four channels.
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on April 25, 2015, 10:53:26 PM
not sure if we posted this one (ptleguy or myself)
but this one was introduced to completement the presonus firestudio (which i believe can also act as a adat 8ch converter in standalone, but i may be wrong)

when i first looked at the preonus firestudio 2626 i thought it was the perfect solution..
but then i found out it was discontinued just like everything good .. they make it for 6months and stop making it.. who knows why

this one really is great tho because it has inserts on each channel.. aswell as 8 ins + 8 outs analog.. really alot more to offer here then most competing products
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar07/articles/digimaxfs.htm
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec07/articles/presonusfirestudio.htm

just dont mistake these for the "Firestudio project" as those models have way less features. and are only meant to be stacked via firewire, as they have no ADAT lightpipe at all.
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on May 09, 2015, 01:08:51 AM
i think the digi 002 rack could also be used as a adat slave unit
(http://akmedia.digidesign.com/products/images/digi002rack_big_11483.jpg)
even if its incompatible with os 9..
slaving it to a device that is compatible will allow to access another 8 channels of i/o
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: supernova777 on May 09, 2015, 01:11:47 AM
(http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/tascam-fw-1804-629129.jpg)
also the tascam fw-1804 could be used as a slave
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: Pushpull76 on August 14, 2016, 12:04:14 PM
Can be the AdatBridge from Digidesign valid for this list ?
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: macStuff on December 26, 2017, 04:29:40 AM
Can be the AdatBridge from Digidesign valid for this list ?

the adat bridge differs in that it doesnt actually provide the channels,
still requires an ADAT 8 channel input device
hence the "bridge" part of its title.
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: darthnVader on March 13, 2023, 10:17:01 AM
Protools5LEGuy,

(http://img.audiofanzine.com/image.php?lang=fr&identifier=id&size=normal&module=product&product_id=1685)
Hmmm… maybe this can get you more inputs as an ADAT slave for a super cheap price !  We talked about the Presonus Firestation in the past, but is suffered as interface due to bugs with it's Mlan implementation.  I would like to add it here as an ADAT slave (no drivers necessary).  Set it up just like an octpre. it has word clock In BNC and eight channel ADAT light pipe I/O and also some pretty good sounding Pre(s) as I remember… also adjustable gain on the line stuff !

Firestation Specs: http://www.presonus.com/products/FIREstation/features

ebay usual price (less than $125)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Presonus-Firestation-Audio-MIDI-Interface-No-Reserve-/281305275338?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Interfaces&hash=item417f19dbca&nma=true&si=xmVMozZQAhKdnCfJ6gZ7fAthEWE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Sound on Sound Complete review: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb03/articles/presonusfirestation.asp

Forgot it also has a real tube in pre-amp:
Quote
The Firestation includes two preamps which are switchable between solid-state and tube driven. That's right: inside the hi-tech outer skin of this beast lurks a real 12AX7 vacuum tube, for adding "greater warmth and a richer sound

I think this counts as the best "bang for the buck" ADAT slave if it works as imaged in your setup :)

So how can this work without drivers?
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on March 13, 2023, 10:37:36 AM
It could work as 8 channel analog to digital and 8 ch digital to analog.

You Still need an ADAT interface
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on March 13, 2023, 10:42:52 AM
There are cheap Adat interfaces like digi 001/2, m audio 18 14, motu,  tascam...
Adat is spdif*4

Instead of 2 ch is 8ch
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on March 13, 2023, 10:44:21 AM
For 2 tracks is better (and cheaper) spdif than ADAT
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: smilesdavis on March 14, 2023, 02:53:41 AM
Emagic emi/a62 or 26
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: refinery on March 15, 2023, 03:59:47 PM
The firestation sounded great but it was buggy as hell even in standalone mode. After an mlan update completely bricked it and presonus was all "sorry lol" since I had missed their window for free trade-ins for a firepod, it literally went in the trash.
There's a good reason they're so cheap
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: mrhappy on March 16, 2023, 07:07:06 AM
The firestation sounded great but it was buggy as hell even in standalone mode

Good to know refinery! I think I remember DieHard reporting something similar , that they were buggy.
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: teroyk on March 16, 2023, 07:37:13 AM
The firestation sounded great but it was buggy as hell even in standalone mode. After an mlan update completely bricked it and presonus was all "sorry lol" since I had missed their window for free trade-ins for a firepod, it literally went in the trash.
There's a good reason they're so cheap

But do you have original CD-ROM for Firestation, or is it in trash too? I think there is the only driver version that really works with Firestation without update. And Firestation should not update, it brakes compatibility to all mLANa devices and Mac speed requirements go high.
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: cyberish on March 16, 2023, 02:38:04 PM
I know we're Mac OS 9 here but fore the sake to make the Firestation work...

https://web.archive.org/web/20080907113356/http://sonikmatter.com/wiki/MLAN:Firestation_Step_by_Step
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: cyberish on March 16, 2023, 03:23:42 PM
The firestation sounded great but it was buggy as hell even in standalone mode. After an mlan update completely bricked it and presonus was all "sorry lol" since I had missed their window for free trade-ins for a firepod, it literally went in the trash.
There's a good reason they're so cheap

Are you talking about that MLAN Firmware update for the Firestation? - see attachement
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: teroyk on March 17, 2023, 01:34:49 AM
I talking about, opposite the not updated Firestation...original CD-ROM had Mac OS 9 drivers for it.
Title: Re: 8ch adat slaves
Post by: cyberish on March 17, 2023, 09:13:23 AM
So the firmware update did never correctly work?