Power Macintosh 8500

[MacGuy]

Thank you so much especially all the pics. It's going to take some time for MR MAGOO to digest/understand all of that.

Quick Questions:

 is this the type of drive i could install:  http://www.staples.ca/en/Seagate-Desktop-HDD-500-GB-35-SATA-60Gb-s-7200-RPM-Internal/product_184988_2-CA_1_20001

 does that mean I don't really need to install the 2 GB SCSI hard drive that is in the mail to me ?

 if so, then OS 9 could be installed on the 500 GB SATA hard drive or would it have to be partitioned ?

[supernova777]

yes that drive would work with the sata adapter pci card yes

also you mentioned that your cdrom required an extension to work? and it doesnt work without this extension? well then the problem would be that you couldnt use the cd to install to the new drive!!!!
if that is truely the case then you would also need a SATA CDROM, at least temporarily
and could hook this up to the 2nd port of the sata adapter pci card
in addition to the seagate hd  on 1st port

that would give u the ability to boot off the cd.. install to the 500gb hard drive

at that point u could return the cdrom and get your old one working again
not that you would have a functioning booting system off the 500gb drive

as diehard mentioned he would reccomend partitioning the drive into 2-3 partitions of equal size (165mb)
or whatever config u want, but keep the partitions under 190mb as he found this size was the size that he was unable to use defrag reliably on.. for maintainance.

[supernova777]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Tempo-Serial-ATA-Storage-controller-2-Channel-SATA-1-5Gb-s-TSATA-/400724440332?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4d09b50c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Tempo-Serial-ATA-Adapter-2-x-Serial-ATA-7-pin-Internal-PCI-2-2-TSATA-/390866073233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b016ef691

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Tempo-Serial-ATA-Adapter-2xSerial-ATA-7-pin-Internal-/351091499618?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51beaf2262

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Tempo-Serial-ATA-Adapter-2-x-ATA-7-pin-Internal-TSATA-/271518832463?pt=US_Computer_Disk_Controllers_RAID_Cards&hash=item3f37c8974f

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Tempo-Serial-Ata-Adapter-2-X-Serial-Ata-7-pin-Internal-Pci-tsata-/390868362281?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b0191e429

heres many auctions selling the card that would work..
kind of pricey but remember this card would work in any mac or pc with a pci slot almost any.. under any windows or mac os and probably linux and other os'es too

find the one thats closest to you or lowest in shippingcost!

[supernova777]

actually it might be even better to buy straight from the manufacturer instead of some 3rd party

http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1s2/

this is the seritek online store

[supernova777]

actually it looks like they are sold out of the 1s2

u can get this model for 49.95 (on sale) direct from seritek

http://firmtek.stores.yahoo.net/sata1ese2.html

but u would need a esata enclosure to keep the drive plugged in externally from the computer
not sure if u would want to do that.. it may be handy.. or u may not prefer to do that. your choice.

i guess u could ask them if they have any more 1s2 it seems to be unlinked purposely from their online store! are the ports int hepowermac 8500 the same as the rest of the g3/g4s? ie: long extended 64mhz slots? or are they short pci slots?


from this pic it looks like they are the short ones

[MacGuy]

I have an ACARD ATA-133 AEC-6280M PCI-to-IDE ATA-133 Controller for Macintosh card already installed in the 8500 by the guys at the PC/MAC repair shop when I told them I wanted to install Tiger. They connected the  40 GB  IDE hard drive to the ACARD so that I could install Tiger on that drive using XPostfacto.  Sorry in my earlier posts i think i typed 60 GB whereas actually it is a 40 GB IDE drive. That was my typo error.

If i understand your post then I can plug in a SATA drive into the ACARD along with the 40 GB IDE drive ?  The ACARD board layout has IDE 1 The Primary IDE port and IDE2 the Secondary IDE port.

[supernova777]

I have an ACARD ATA-133 AEC-6280M PCI-to-IDE ATA-133 Controller for Macintosh card already installed in the 8500 by the guys at the PC/MAC repair shop when I told them I wanted to install Tiger. They connected the  40 GB  IDE hard drive to the ACARD so that I could install Tiger on that drive using XPostfacto.  Sorry in my earlier posts i think i typed 60 GB whereas actually it is a 40 GB IDE drive. That was my typo error.

If i understand your post then I can plug in a SATA drive into the ACARD along with the 40 GB IDE drive ?  The ACARD board layout has IDE 1 The Primary IDE port and IDE2 the Secondary IDE port.

if that the case u should be sorted then... just find a new normal CD/DVD drive and plug it in.. and reinstall to the 40gb ide drive

http://dl.acard.com/manual/english/aec-6280m_ver11.pdf
heres the manual for the card
yes the acard has 2 IDE "ports" but these ports supports 2 IDE devices EACH!
click the pdf above and look for illustrations

you would have been much better off ordering refurbished IDE drives then scsi drives!!!!!!!
they would be from 2005/2006/2007 not 1996:) lol

u can connect a cd/dvd to one of these ports aswell
just use a regular ide cable

the ATA-133 bus of the acard is faster then whatever u had the scsi connected to thats for sure
in fact even in the MDD's the ide bus is only ata-100... this is ata-133

all u need to get rocking and rolling is a 40gb-500gb IDE drive..
OR heres another option
u can get that 500gb drive that is sata and order a 3$ adapter from hongkong that will allow u to hook it up to
the acard 6280M

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-5-40Pin-male-IDE-PATA-to-22pin-SATA-female-adapter-JM20330-SATA-IDE-card-/160955338956?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2579af90cc

like so..
with one of these u coudl buy a brand new drive (with warranty) and use it on your system and cost would be 60$ for the drive plus the $3 for the adapter
maybe u need ide cables. but u can find those 2nd hand pretty easy too

so this would effectively change the new sata drive to be able to connect just as a normal ide drive would

[supernova777]

but really if you are ok with formatting the 40gb drive THATS ALREADY CONNECTED theres no reason why u cant install directly to that 40gb drive
as long as u have a working cd/dvd drive also connected to the ACARD pci to install os9 from

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACARD-AEC-6880-PCI-ATA-133-IDE-RAID-Adapter-/251338749952?pt=US_Internal_Port_Expansion_Cards&hash=item3a84f4f800
heres the auction for the 6880m raid adapter if anyone interested.. 2san is selling them for 49.95

[supernova777]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-MAC-8500-Computer-System-Digidesign-882-Opcode-Studio-Vision-Pro-16792-/181330936514?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item2a382a82c2

heres someone sellling their 8500 with alot of other gear

[MacGuy]

I received the used Seagate 2 GB hard drive.  It is the same model # as the original Apple/Seagate 2 GB drive.

Decided to bring this machine to its native state because the drive would not show up on the desktop no matter what or how i tried.   Removed/disconnected the 3 PCI cards and the Sonnet G4 processor.

Re-installed the original 8500 processor whereby the drive showed up on the desktop after formatting and installing OS 9.1.

Not sure at the moment what i am going to do next. There's plenty of good advice in the prior posts. Will digest them and give them a try.



In reference to:

heres someone sellling their 8500 with alot of other gear

$400 seems high however cost of shipment to Canada would be many $$$$ albeit the guy only ships to USA points.

[MacGuy]

My PowerPC 8500 is now running OS 9.1 and OS Tiger.

[DieHard]

Awesome Magoo… Congratulations… back to having fun

[Irisman]

HI, I continue learning!

I read about this: http://www.ebay.es/itm/Acard-AEC-6280M-PCI-Ultra-ATA-133-IDE-Controller-Card-For-Apple-Mac-G3-G4-/261206382868?pt=US_Computer_Disk_Controllers_RAID_Cards&hash=item3cd11d1914

Will do that work on a PPC 9600 233mhz  with no sonnet upgrade card?

[supernova777]

HI, I continue learning!

I read about this: http://www.ebay.es/itm/Acard-AEC-6280M-PCI-Ultra-ATA-133-IDE-Controller-Card-For-Apple-Mac-G3-G4-/261206382868?pt=US_Computer_Disk_Controllers_RAID_Cards&hash=item3cd11d1914

Will do that work on a PPC 9600 233mhz  with no sonnet upgrade card?

yes

[Irisman]

That´s cool!!   Then I´ll go IDE

[supernova777]

That´s cool!!   Then I´ll go IDE

i would suggest using the acard 6280 in combination with a sata/ide adapter + a brnd new sata hard drive (80gb)

[IIO]

Will do that work on a PPC 9600 233mhz  with no sonnet upgrade card?

any IDE and any SATA PCI card will require nothing more than ... a PCI slot.

i am not exactly sure about operating system, but i would guess that even SATA will be fine with 7.0

[Irisman]

That´s cool!!   Then I´ll go IDE

i would suggest using the acard 6280 in combination with a sata/ide adapter + a brnd new sata hard drive (80gb)

Is 80 gb the size limit for this hardware?

[supernova777]

i dont think so.. i just reccomended that because near me it costs 14$ for a brand new SATA3 spec 80gb drive..
+ $3 for a sata/ide adapter on ebay
add that to the cost of the adapter on ebay (20$)
and its under $50 for a brand new fast good performing new hard drive

its the economical choice;) mucho bang for the buck

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=212&item_id=064727

[Irisman]

Aha... now I got it.   I think I will use a 40gb ide HD I have here already in perfect condition   Let´s see in the future.

It´s really nice to liberate the mac of SCSI tyranny!!    No more afraid of getting the scsi hd crashed