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I'm personally pleased with things so far, and I really am glad to see the return of the condensed "recent threads" feature back when viewing other threads.

I'm not worried in the least here, because @Knezzen is leading this, and because everyone here has given and is still giving their invaluable input, which helps us steer our ship where we want it to be. Our boat will keep rocking about as we set it to the correct direction, but I'm sure we will reach our destination, because the boat is rocking and not getting dragged away on still water, and because our sailors are awesome and each contributes to it differently.

I believe the few missed features that are still missing that some of us care for will in due time be back, precisely because of this. And I will once again emphasize, I'm really enjoying the forum's newfound responsiveness, and that all our old links, threads and posts are all intact.

I particularly like @FdB/@FBz/@aBc's post, it resonates with me a lot, but again I'm not concerned because I know @Knezzen will keep on doing a generally good job, because he listens to our feedback. So if there is ever a change we are not content with, we will speak up, and @Knezzen will hear and do it because he's awesome. Nearly everyone here is awesome.

One big resource for Gamers, Artists, Musicians, Video enthusiasts called "Applegraveyard.com" or some other catchy name !

Always evolving, always changing, as Apple casts old hardware / software in the garbage bin (or graveyard cause it's dead), the site picks it up.  Old ProTools on Intel (like PT10 HD) no problem, resources here... Mac OS 9... resources here... old scanner working on Tiger... resources here... etc

One Mega-Site that basically picks up all the pieces as an invaluable resource of Mac hardware help guides, driver software, configuration tips, OS specific help and resources spanning all the "stuff' that seems to vaporize as all the little sites disappear.

I believe that would be the Macintosh Garden. And, to some capacity, the "MacRumors PPC" subforum: they started "adopting" people, hardware and software that were being "abandoned" with regards to "early Intel" stuff, since the mods and admins of the main MacRumors forum do not seem to care for them enough for them to have their own subsection. And also because OS X Tiger, Leopard and even partially Snow Leopard are both PPC and Intel-related, like System 7 and Mac OS 8(.1) on 68k and PPC.

I like Mac OS 9 Lives for the fact it is Mac-OS-9-centric. I think your idea is great, but already seems to be well-covered out there (although admittedly audio hardware support may be low in my examples above). The OS 9 focus here gives us more OS 9 input/output specifically. Everything is OS-9-themed. It just wouldn't have been the same if this was "anything old Apple"-themed like TinkerDifferent, Mac Garden or even the ill-fated ThinkClassic that didn't focus on a single system.

Maybe in a few years we will also see "System 6 Paradise" forums and "Lisa & Macintosh XL Sailors" forums somewhere. :) Something a bit more specific than the 68kmla forums. Although more than these, I wish there was a "MacPPC schematics" forum... so we could print our own PCBs for i.e. brand-new MDD motherboards and daughtercards...
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you obviously have no practical experience in what you suggest here.

I do, dear IIO, I do ;) I'm just pointing to cause and (potential) effect.
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and sorry but one more post. last one, i promise.

something like a frontpage, something like FAQ stickies, something like tutorials would be nice to have, there is a lot of agreement about this.

but before we ask theo to decide how it should be implemented, everyone who wants this should first write an article, and then we can decide what to do with it.
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Well, an idea I had about 7 years ago, but never got to implement it, was to incorporate all the PPC stuff, System 7/8 thru Early OS X into one common site;

i can follow you, but somehow i dont think this will happen.

the majority of active users here have something to do with programming/hacking, hardware, or pro audio/music.

and if there would be interest in a discussion forum for MacOS9 games, there would probably be such a site already.

so if we would care for that, too, it would mean that we tried to provide a service for potential new members in a field which is not really our own interest. :)

you do not even get a single answer here in 5+ years when you attempt to ask if someone wants to swap graphics plug-ins. for audio it is like 40 active users plus all the lurkers.

you can f.e. also not link to the garden all the time, this would undermine the garden policy to fly under the google radar.
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:)
https://ethics.org.au/ethics-explainer-deontology/


besides that it is somehow funny who were reacting to this discussion first, you obviously have no practical experience in what you suggest here.

"rules" do not even work in closed groups, and in a public forum there is simply no legitimation for anyone to set up those.

furthermore there are millions of rules already regulating all of that called civil right, netiquette and so on.
and people still upload files infected with viruses because they are dumb and lazy, insult each other because they are emotional, and violate a third party´s copyright because they do not understand the difference between 20 year old cracked software and 20 months old cracked software.

and you can kick people without written rules at any time.

and people who got kicked can come back 20 seconds later with a new email adress and continue their destructive mission.
 
 
"copyright is for sissies" - banksy
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I'd really love to see the website extended. Remember the 2000's Mac websites with daily news and how-to tutorials? I'd really love to see a website that is a good bookmark to keep and visit after you've booted up your OS 9 machine. A page you can link to whenever somebody asks: "What is Mac OS 9 and why should one use it?".

Also potentially offer the website multilingual as in various languages if there's enough interest. (English language content being translated into French, Spanish, German etc.)

Fully aware here that not everybody will like all the changes. I'll always try to incorporate suggestions and ideas what everybody is making as long as I feel they are beneficial. But I'd also ask to accept that I can't simply make everybody happy.

What I'd like everyone to remember is that if we can pull this off, it'll be ultimately beneficial for all of us Mac OS 9 users - be it us musicians, creatives, gamers, tinkerers or whatever.

Well, an idea I had about 7 years ago, but never got to implement it, was to incorporate all the PPC stuff, System 7/8 thru Early OS X into one common site; but I actually was going to go a step further when I came to the realization during COVID that Apple repeats it's own historical mistakes over and over. 

As we all know, Apple's never ending quest to move forward is a blessing and a curse.  New technologies get established then become "yesterday's news". New hardware seems to always be missing a "port" or feature that would really come in handy.  As humans, we like things that are familiar and when change comes too quickly, we feel like we can't catch up.  With BOTH the hardware and the software changing at record pace, it's a game of "catch-up" for most of us.  This has all been said before and is obvious, but when I was still setting up ProTools rigs on snow Leopard in 2021, I was like a light bulb went off; PT10/Snow Leopard on now antiquated Intel, is Cubase on OS9 PPC.  Same story.... so my idea...

One big resource for Gamers, Artists, Musicians, Video enthusiasts called "Applegraveyard.com" or some other catchy name !

Always evolving, always changing, as Apple casts old hardware / software in the garbage bin (or graveyard cause it's dead), the site picks it up.  Old ProTools on Intel (like PT10 HD) no problem, resources here... Mac OS 9... resources here... old scanner working on Tiger... resources here... etc

One Mega-Site that basically picks up all the pieces as an invaluable resource of Mac hardware help guides, driver software, configuration tips, OS specific help and resources spanning all the "stuff' that seems to vaporize as all the little sites disappear.
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for example people asking for "rules". :)

:)
https://ethics.org.au/ethics-explainer-deontology/

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Deontology is an ethical theory that says actions are good or bad according to a clear set of rules.

Its name comes from the Greek word deon, meaning duty. Actions that align with these rules are ethical, while actions that don’t aren’t. This ethical theory is most closely associated with German philosopher, Immanuel Kant.
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I mostly stopped coming here because of specific posters.
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"How do I make my 25 year old Mac work with my 57:14 5000hz megaultrasync monitor".
Perhaps an updated FAQ section dealing with common topics like that and file sharing might be useful.

we are aware of all of this and many here will share your opinion.

it is just that nothing of these things can be done without quite some work, and every change you can imagine in these fields will also have negative side effects.

for example people asking for "rules". :)
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Try to be more kind to one another.

This will not get you very far, I'm afraid.

You have to set a clear set of rules, follow and enforce them!

Here's the post by user TenorClefCyclist on reddit, who gives very good example on what happens.
* Emphasis mine.
** I joined Pro Audio Mailing List in 1997
*** I tried to dig out that list's rules, but can't locate them.

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Public forums pretty much always turn to cr@p. It happened to USENET's rec.audio.pro once everyone and their grandmother got web access. Gabe Weiner (RIP) started the Pro Audio Mailing List in response. It was by invitation only -- you had to introduce yourself to Gabe by email. In its heyday, it had lots of industry luminaries: including mastering engineer Bob Katz, Motown engineer Bob Olhssohn, gear designers Daniel Weiss and Eelco Grimm, converter chip designer Max Hauser, and mic modder Scott Dorsey.

There have been pro forums on various platforms in the interim, most of which fell into disuse as the platform itself did. I recall a recording engineer's forum on AOL hosted by Glenn Meadows. Prosoundweb.com still hosts discussion groups run by Klauss Heine and Bruno Putzys, but they are very low traffic now. Sometimes a year goes by before I remember to look at them.

That illustrates the basic problem:
The "network effect" dictates that you need a critical mass of the right members for a forum to be useful.
If you have too few, nobody shows up regularly and questions go unanswered for weeks.
OTOH, more growth means an influx of basically clueless people.
First, they ask tons of elementary and repetitive questions, answerable by reading the FAQ, the first chapter of any audio engineering text, or a two-minute web search.
Then they start answering questions, often wrongly, and arguing when the pros correct them. It's Dunning-Kruger Effect writ large!
Ultimately, the pros get driven away and the forum's signal-to-noise ratio falls into the toilet.

That's pretty much what happened to Gearspace.com . I still try to help people there, but I'm frequently shouted down by folks who think a Schoeps CMC64 is useless because all you need is a SM57. I wish I had a dime for every time I've been lectured about the Nyquist theorem by someone who "learned it" from their buddy in a bar!
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