Mac OS 9 Lives
Mac OS 9 Discussion => Hardware => Storage => Topic started by: MacTron on November 19, 2015, 06:20:16 AM
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I'm planning to buy a couple of Sandisk Extreme Pro 240 GB SSD. Did someone have experience with it working on Mac Os 9?
https://www.sandisk.com/home/ssd/extreme-pro-ssd
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Hey MacTron
I am planning to upgrade my G4s and G5 to SSD :D
I suppose the G4s'll need an adapter or something like that ?
But my main question is the G5 as it has SATA HDD already. If I buy an SSD (120GB could be enough for my needs…) Am I right believing it’ll be just a case of install the G5 SATA connectors on the SSD? Also, does make a difference if is on the upper or lower bay?
Thanks.
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I suppose the G4s'll need an adapter or something like that ?
Yes, you'll need a SATA PCI card or a PATA to SATA adapter.
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Also, does make a difference if is on the upper or lower bay?
I installed a 256 GB in my G5. I don't recall off the top of my head which bay it ended up in, but I can check when I'm at home and let you know.
But when I tried it in one I couldn't get it to recognize the SSD, I put both spindle drives back in and both were recognized. I pulled them out and put the SSD in the other bay and it was recognized and worked. I tried all this a few more times to verify and it always came out the same.
I tend to think that mine might be just an issue with my G5 though and it should work in either one. I have two more sitting around I can this in too if it would be of benefit to you?
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I've used a few SSD's from OWC... The ones for a G4 tower come with the IDE/PATA adapter and a mounting adapter (to attach the physically smaller drive to the cage). Haven't used the model for G5 but I think it comes with a 'drive sled' to install it and plugs directly into the SATA plug.
They DO have a 2.5 SSD drive with an IDE connector for older laptops (where you wouldn't have room for the IDE/SATA adapter) but they're more expensive... have one of those waiting to be installed into a PowerBook G4 1Ghz Alu. ;D
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Thanks for the input guys.
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I'm planning to buy a couple of Sandisk Extreme Pro 240 GB SSD. Did someone have experience with it working on Mac Os 9?
https://www.sandisk.com/home/ssd/extreme-pro-ssd
Hey Mactron,
I tried a Sandisk Extreme in on on a Mac Pro and a G4 (in OS 9), but I think I am still partial to the Samsung Pro series. In the G4 I used the Acard (not a SATA card).
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2569.msg15139#msg15139
The Sandisk does not feel as fast... but I do not have the newer version on the extreme... My is about 11 months old, think Read/write was around 400 MB/s. The Samsung is around 525 MB/s, but the newer "Extreme" should be about the same. Overall, from experience with other items, I think the quality of the Samsung will be better than the Sandisk... Sandisk has always been a consumer product and I have seen many of their flash drives and other items fail so that I am NOT a fan of Sandisk.
It is a shame that OWC never made a OWC Mercury Accelsior for PC/G4, I have 2 of these and the far exceed any SATA SSDs.
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/SSDPHWE2R480/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_campaign=googlebase&gclid=Cj0KEQiApruyBRCFqoDu1pbk9rkBEiQAF8EFdbS840ad5LSAkBjGAo0WlDnUS5GDm5w7f7yNRhWc6UkaAtnq8P8HAQ
I did a recent test and loaded the biggest Multis from Komplete 8 Ultimate (Kontakt 5.5) and they load in about 2 to 3 seconds... absolutely crazy
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Hey Mactron,
I tried a Sandisk Extreme in on on a Mac Pro and a G4 (in OS 9), but I think I am still partial to the Samsung Pro series. In the G4 I used the Acard (not a SATA card).
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2569.msg15139#msg15139
The Sandisk does not feel as fast... but I do not have the newer version on the extreme... My is about 11 months old, think Read/write was around 400 MB/s. The Samsung is around 525 MB/s, but the newer "Extreme" should be about the same. Overall, from experience with other items, I think the quality of the Samsung will be better than the Sandisk... Sandisk has always been a consumer product and I have seen many of their flash drives and other items fail so that I am NOT a fan of Sandisk.
I have two SSDs from Samsung also. Both are the 840 series, But I'm having issues with one of them, even after The firmware upgrade fix by Samsung. Furthermore The new Samsung 850 seems to be problematic with Mac Os 9 ...
So another option is Sandisk Extreme II or Extreme PRO, those series according to reviews are really PRO. Let's see ...
It is a shame that OWC never made a OWC Mercury Accelsior for PC/G4, I have 2 of these and the far exceed any SATA SSDs.
Yes it will be great... but it never be happen. :'(
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My resident SSDs in the OS 9 G4s use the OWC SSDs (Legacy model) and they work flawlessly. The other brands I only tested briefly... My Samsung is an 850 series, but I did not really test it fully in OS9. Is there a test on the 850 you want me to do in OS 9 ?
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My resident SSDs in the OS 9 G4s use the OWC SSDs (Legacy model) and they work flawlessly. The other brands I only tested briefly... My Samsung is an 850 series, but I did not really test it fully in OS9. Is there a test on the 850 you want me to do in OS 9 ?
Yes, it will great to know if Mac Os 9 can boot from the 850. Because according to twokayprod
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2369.msg14933#msg14933
it is problematic ...
Thankyou in advance.
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I have a Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB SSD in my hands. Everything is working fine in Mac Os 9. Sleep mode is working, Mac Os 9 booting is OK.
(http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/6/4/6471_01_sandisk_extreme_pro_240gb_ssd_review.jpg)
I'll will post the speed test results later, but this SSD is fast. Insanely fast. Near the theoretical Maximum.
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Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB
Excellent !!
I may opt for one of these in my last MDD :)
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Here we have the QuickBench hard disk speed test results:
As we can see the results are really impressive in all cases, random, sequential, read or write.
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2856.0;attach=3127)
The cool boot take 32 sec !
This SSD have 10 year of warranty, and is cheaper than the Samsung 850 ( that by the way it doesn't work on Mac Os 9 )
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Mactron, how did you connect the SSD ? I guess through a PCI sata card as you are speaking of high transfer speeds...what model of PCI card are you using ?
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Mactron, how did you connect the SSD ? I guess through a PCI sata card as you are speaking of high transfer speeds...what model of PCI card are you using ?
The SSD was connected to Firmtek Seritek 1v4, a 64 bits PCI card.
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The SSD was connected to Firmtek Seritek 1v4, a 64 bits PCI card.
Do you have an IDE/SATA converter at your hand? I really would be interrested about the performance at internal Mac IDE busses.
When I first put my SSE into my Pismo (an Trancend 128GB) I wasn´t that impressed about speed improvements. I thought "ok it should deliver 50 MB/s in all situations" but it didn´t feel so. But ok I did no measurements and booting was also at around 30 seconds (but it was at 45 previously with the old 20GB HD as well).
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Do you have an IDE/SATA converter at your hand? I really would be interrested about the performance at internal Mac IDE busses.
This is QuickBench test of the Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB SSD connected to an ATA 100 port through a SATA to PATA converter:
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2856.0;attach=3129)
And this is QuickBench test of the Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB SSD connected to an ATA 66 port through a SATA to PATA converter:
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2856.0;attach=3131)
And finally his is QuickBench test of the Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB SSD connected to an SATA 150 port through a PCI Sil 3112 based SATA card:
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2856.0;attach=3133)
When I first put my SSE into my Pismo (an Trancend 128GB) I wasn´t that impressed about speed improvements. I thought "ok it should deliver 50 MB/s in all situations" but it didn´t feel so. But ok I did no measurements and booting was also at around 30 seconds (but it was at 45 previously with the old 20GB HD as well).
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This is QuickBench test of the Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB SSD connected to an ATA 100 port through a SATA to PATA converter:
And this is QuickBench test of the Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB SSD connected to an ATA 66 port through a SATA to PATA converter:
And finally his is QuickBench test of the Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB SSD connected to an SATA 150 port through a PCI Sil 3112 based SATA card:
To my eyes the 2 first ones say the converter is not a bottleneck on ATA 66 speeds.
Now I get that your converter solution is a fine one over the expense on Acard setups.
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Very interresting! Thanks a lot for the tests and the upload of the results.
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yes indeed! ;D
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The Sandisk Extreme Pro 240 GB SSD cost me 104 EUR
How did you partitioned it?
Volumes over 190 Gb ... are imposible to defragment.
Is defragment needed on SSD?
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How did you partitioned it?
With the standard Apple Drive Setup 2.1, as any other drive ...
Is defragment needed on SSD?
No, it's not so needed as an ordinary hard disk, but you can always defragment it by the "simple way" (reformat and carefully copy back the content in the proper order)
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Is defragment needed on SSD?
As stated before, all blocks on an SSD read/write at the same access speed so defragmenting is..
1) Useless
2) Will shorten the SSD life (over time) with unnecessary read/writes
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so defragmenting is..
1) Useless
File fragmentation always wastes memory and speed.
When your Mac starts up, it copies the entire directory into memory plus the info about the first 4 fragments of each file.
If it needs to know something past the fourth fragment of a file, then it has to access the disk.
If it accesses the disk, then it will swap pages in the cache.
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OWC Mercury Electra 3G 60 GB,Internal,2.5" (OWCSSDEX3G060) Portable
I Just bought 5 of these new SSD drives for $25 each...lol
Specs on these are very good (should be the exact same kit used by OWC for Legacy G4s
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131899893491?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I suggest you get yours too :) Why are you still reading, get one now !
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OK DieHard...I ordered four of them! ;D ;D
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Well, you gotta be happy about that :)
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Yes indeed! ;D
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An SSD isn't ideal either.
They can become unusable because of a simple power outage.
As they get fuller, they become slower to find a free block.
I read about SSD on Wikipedia and became very pessimistic about them.
I read also about harddisks with a glass platter.
They can store 365 TB on a 1" drive.
The data is preserved for 10000 years.
They will be extremely reliable and extremely cheap (price per GB).
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(I moved this to the right discussion.)
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I read also about harddisks with a glass platter.
They can store 365 TB on a 1" drive.
The data is preserved for 10000 years.
They will be extremely reliable and extremely cheap (price per GB).
Most of today's Laptop Hard drives platters are coated glass already...
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I mean glass without coating.
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I read also about harddisks with a glass platter.
They can store 365 TB on a 1" drive.
The data is preserved for 10000 years.
They will be extremely reliable and extremely cheap (price per GB).
Are you referring to the ones that use a laser to do holographic etching into glass for storage?
If so have they improved the performance. Last I heard the write speed was somewhere in the less that 512 Bytes per second. Read was a bit faster.
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240 GB Patriot drives are reasonably priced here, after the mighty 27% sales tax (can claim it back!) they cost probably less than in the U.S.
I think I will get six of them in next few days among a pair of 1TB Samsung EVO 970 Plus and get that 27% back before the holidays.
According the fee-Bay my PCI-X SAS card for the upcoming G4 project was shipped today form Russia and the 2 GB memory (4x512MB) from the States.
What I miss now is "just" a video card for MDD which can drive a 30" monitor. Will assign a pair of "Patriots" to that machine, the rest for all kind of boot-OS on the 2009-2010 "Cheese Grater"-s.
It's quite nice being able to swap the drives for the test quickly.
As for "9"... looked at it today, after 15+ years again. The poor MDD has only 256MB memory. And the video card can't even drive the monitor I want.
Still, it looks quite refreshing compared with the 10.13.6 I am using with a "trash can". I sure will miss the 42" monitor on the MDD... 30" would be nice.
As for 27% sales tax... There is only one country in the world with that groovy tax.
You are the hackers, for half of decade you tried to crack my firmware... And you still do not know? It's all there, inside!
Just pay attention to small detail. It's also part of the copy protection. ;)
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i just bought the Samsung 860 EVO
8)
256Mb ram on an os9 machine isnt as bad as it sounds
os9 doesnt need much ram compared to osx or windows (xp, 7)
ram for a g4 is cheap as hell if not Free at this point
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i just bought the Samsung 860 EVO
8)
256Mb ram on an os9 machine isnt as bad as it sounds
os9 doesnt need much ram compared to osx or windows (xp, 7)
ram for a g4 is cheap as hell if not Free at this point
Got 2 GB RAM from the States and the SAS card from Russia.
The 2 GB RAM works fine, the SAS card unfortunately is for G5 only.
Stupid me, did not pay attention that the card voltage is not compatible with G4, only with G5.
Otherwise the card is good - but the bad news: no SAS driver for MacOS 9, unless there is somewhere an LSI SAS card which fits the G4.
The number of such 64-bit cards is quite limited:
- All Marvell 6042, 6084, 6081 based cards. The best chip is 88SX6042
- SImage 3124
- "Frodo" Broadcom 5770, same chip as sold inside of G5 under nickname of "K2"
- The known and very much limited in numbers Intel / Vitesse 7184
- Many LSI Fibre cards! They do not have MacOS 9 SIM, but the LSI architecture is very open, writing a SIM is feasible
The most common 64-bit card is either SImage 3124 or the Frodo. Frodo is even cheaper and I have the full programmer's manual for Frodo, flashing included.
For starters anyone can buy a Frodo card of eBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Broadcom-RAIDCore-BC4000-Series-SATA-RAID-Controller-Card-BC4452/183381200702
and modify the K2 driver's plist (for hackers) or just change and compile one from open source (Darwin) for programmers.
Try the above card for offering the seller 15 Bucks.
You can't get wrong on that.
The FCode would be easy: it has both advanced SATA and regular quasi-ATA interface.
For FCode the quasi-ATA interface is perfect, I think Apple does use it in their K2 code, they don't go more "native" than that.
For MacOS-"9" a quasi ATA still better than nothing.
Frodo is perfect for an extra 2 drives inside and 4 going outside.
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noones going to buy that stuff unless they know its possible to get it working
noone has the skillset or experience that you have
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noones going to buy that stuff unless they know its possible to get it working
noone has the skillset or experience that you have
Thanks - but looking today at my 3124 code from 2005 I see how bad it is.
I do have a Frodo and luckily I found the entire documentation in an old email.
Since 3124 is in very advanced state (it needs few days of update and clean-up on "X", nothing in FCode and porting "X" to "9") it makes the biggest sense now.
3112 and 3114 would be even easier - if not the problem with the Micrel regulator. That regulator spoils all the fun.
Even 3112 cards made by Adaptec have the regulator problem.
I will "open" both 3112 and 3114 ultimately but they will be maybe even after Frodo: Frodo is cheap, there is plenty, it is 64-bit and has at minimum 4 ports, at maximum 8.
So the plan for this year is 3124 first, than Frodo.
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So the plan for this year is 3124 first, than Frodo.
Thanks for keeping us mere mortals in the loop... you have our support 1000% !!!
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this could be a godsend; literally; for the retro mac g3/g4 users of the world
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Stupid me, did not pay attention that the card voltage is not compatible with G4, only with G5.
Otherwise the card is good - but the bad news: no SAS driver for MacOS 9, unless there is somewhere an LSI SAS card which fits the G4.
what family of card was it? I work around datacenters and there's always ancient hardware laying around. or I can look for one. Hell, couple months back I found a PCI SCSI card that works in my Mojave Hackintosh.