Mac OS 9 Lives
Mac OS 9 Discussion => Hardware => Storage => Topic started by: supernova777 on March 20, 2014, 08:51:02 AM
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ok.. as was figured out by others in these threads:
https://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=21488
https://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=14645&hilit=sil3112
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-1650568.html
the firmware used by seritek cards essentially does a check on the manufacturer type of bios chip
making the firmware driver software only work with cards that use specific type bios chips
that means that only certain cards that use certain bios chips can be FLASHED to be os9 bootable with the firmtek firmware!
in this thread we will try to find other generic cheap cards that already come with the proper bios chips on the card
with compatible manufacturer + capacity size..
because some of us are unwilling to try to solder small tiny components;)
also i will be trying to look into reducing the firmware in size as to make it fit on these other smaller chips..
as i understand it these bios chips containt drivers that get slipstream injected into the os
which is what makes the cards compatible, the firmware is a bit bigger then the 128k size as it is right now
so if theres a way to reduce the firmware size down to fit onto a 128k chip or even a 64k chip this would
greatly increase the amount of cards that could be converted to be mac os 9 bootable.
as it is the firmware contains drivers fro both mac os x + mac os 9 thus creating the large size of the firmware..
my theory is that if either opposing os's drivers were removed from the rom somehow
it could make the rom small enough to fit on the smaller sized chips thus enabling us to create mac os 9 bootable sata cards
quickly + easily from readily avaiilable cheap sil3112 cards on ebay etc
its been proven that these cards work with the bios chips swapped out for larger chips i own a few of these personally painstakingly modified cards
(http://www.rosewill.com/Mgnt/Uploads/ImagesForProduct/ImgPrd-432-Cm[624737618aa14ae3a16ac9414e216210].jpg)
http://www.rosewill.com/products/432/ProductDetail_Overview.htm#/Mgnt/Uploads/ImagesForProduct/ImgPrd-432-Cm[138e11845afc4f5aab5aa6c36fa918ce].jpg
this card appears to have the same bios chip as the sonnet tempo card i have (which is a basically a seritek 1s2 clone)[/s]
my purple sonnet pcb has the same "pmc" logo on it;s chip ---> but this chip i found out later is only 64k
ok.. the manufacturer is the same but hte model numbers dont match.. the model number of the pmc chip on my sonnet tempo card is
"Pm39LV040-70JCE" -> which means its a 4mbit chip this one above is half an mbit? i think im right?
this one is slightly different.
hMM was just looking for a pic to illustrate and i realized that my card is slightly different then the one pictured here:
(http://www.sonnettech.com/product/images/prodhdr_temposata.jpg)
FIRMTEK FIRMWARES:
Legacy Macintosh Drivers (Pre-Snow Leopard)
The following firmware and drivers are compatible with Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5 systems.
http://www.firmtek.com/download/
v5.1.3 firmware is for os 7-10.4
v5.3.x firmware is for osx leopard 10.5
--source: http://forum.hardmac.com/index.php?showtopic=2688
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ok
basically the reason why alot of the cards dont work to simply flash the firmtek bios is that the firmtek bios for these cards
contains KEXT's for mac os x which allow it to boot in X ..
as well as other driver files for mac os 9.. so the combination of having both driver files inside the chip
makes the chip require a larger size in its current format
if we could somehow find someone capable of extracting + removing the kext files size, from the firmtek firmware
we would then end up with a rom file that would be big enough (or small enough rather)
to fit on any bios chip present on the pci sata cards
digging into the data sheet info for the pmc-sierra bios chip that is featured on my sonnet tempo (firmtek clone) card:
http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/102566/PMC/PM39LV010-70JCE.html
• Memory Organization for PMC chips (manufacturer PMC-SIERRA)
- Pm39LV512: 64K x 8 (512 Kbit)
- Pm39LV010: 128K x 8 (1 Mbit)
- Pm39LV020: 256K x 8 (2 Mbit)
- Pm39LV040: 512K x 8 (4 Mbit)
the approximate size of the working firmware i think is between 128k + 200k
like i said, i beleive that if we were able to somehow remove the osx driver files we coudl end up with an os9 bootable firmware that would work to flash on
other cards that have these other smaller chips on them, that is, the Pm39LV010 and Pm39LV512 bios chips..
as far as i know noone has tried the Pm39LV020 on a card yet.. them all having opted to get the largest size available probably as long as they were
going thru the trouble of resoldering the chip to the sil3112 card..
if anyone has any technical information or knowhow on how we could move ahead in an attempt to match the kexts extracted from the bios when the card is installed on an X system
we could then somehow match the bits + bytes + possibly remove with some type of rpogram that would be used to edit the rom?
i mean these guys made their cards work by changing the chip which is labourous.
if we could just fix the firmware instead of the chip.. this would be an amazing thing to accomplish for these old macs to be able to boot os9 with a cheap $10 sata card
u can read more about all these guys discovery to get a firmtek booting card here:
https://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=14645
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(http://www.sybausa.com/pic/SY-PCX40009/phpA533PD.JPG)
this must be what the Seritek 1v4 is based off.. the Sil3124 Chipset..
(http://www.firmtek.com/seritek/seritek-1v4/SeriTek-1V4.jpg)
puzzling tho because the 1s2 was alla bout the firmware but the 1v4 appears to not even have a firmware bios chip on the card!
must be the picture.. maybe its on the other side of the card?
apparently not?? wierd
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http://www.applefritter.com/content/big-ide-and-sata-chipset-info-thread-thing
some additional info here from a canadian who goes by the naem of Oelmuvun
trying to organize the same thing i am trying to by making this thread
finding cards that will be compatible for reflashing to mac os 9 boot
And now, here is a quick little list of SATA chipsets you might keep your eyes open for:
VITESSE VSC-7174 (found on SeriTek1V4)
4 port and Mac OS 8+, seems to be uncommon in the PC world.
PCI-X
Sil3112 (found on SeriTek/1S2 & Sonnet TSATA)
Mac OS X bootable if crossflashed to Sil3512.
Potential for OS 7+ bootability if the 1S2/sonnet firmware can be flashed. In that case this would be a very nice card since it is only lacking two extra ports of the harder to find VSC-7174.
PCI
Sil3512 (found on wiebetech TCS1-1)
So far Mac OS X bootable only unless you have a card with a bigger EEPROM or can reduce some firmware or find a small one to begin with.
Potential to be crossflashed to Sil3112!
PCI
Sil3124 (found on SeriTek2SE4)
Mac OS X only, I cannot remember more about it off the top of my head. I might say it is the least interesting aside from it supporting 4 ports.
PCI-X
heres a press article i found
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20040315005799/en/Vitesse-Expands-Serial-Storage-Product-Line-Enterprise#.Uy0h3_ldXuM
https://www.vitesse.com
seems this is the company who made the chipset that firmtek used for their 1v4 card
data on the chip itself:
http://www.digchip.com/data/514/514-616-0-VSC7174.pdf
Four Serial ATA Channels at 1.5 Gb/s
Serial ATA 1.0 Compliant
Serial ATA II Queuing Specification Compliant
PCI-X 1.0a Compliant (64 bits wide at 66, 100 and 133 MHz)
PCI 2.2 Compliant (64 bits wide at 33 and 66 MHz)
Software-Compatible Master/Slave Mode
Parallel ATA Compatibility
Performance-Oriented Master/Master Mode
Plug-n-Play Support
Hot Swappable
Activity LED Drivers
Wide Swing Mode for Driving Backplanes
Spread-Spectrum Clock Generation
Integrated Link/Transport Layer From APT Technology, Inc.
i wonder if this means that a card such as:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/JxoAAOxyUrZS8uRe/$_12.JPG)
would be hiding this same chip under the sticker
http://www.syba.com/index.php?controller=Product&action=Info&Id=716
the product page says its compatible with X + G5's.. maybe then its possible it works with a g4?
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another post re flashing sil3512 based cards by the same guy can be found here:
http://www.applefritter.com/content/sil3512-flashing
I have a Syba SD-SATA-150R in my Digital Audio G4. It is a card that uses the Sil3512 chipset and like other Sil3512 cards with suitable eeprom, can be flashed with the wiebetech TCS1-1 firmware.
I know it can be flashed because there is a forum thread in another language based in another country that google translates very badly. It has a link to the firmware, a screenshot of System profiler with the card being used in OS X but as far as I recall I never read anything about booting off the card.(at least nothing translated into english)
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=33440&vpn=SD-SATA150R&manufacture=Syba
Sil3512 = we have usable Mac compatible firmware. (but OS X only)
Sil3112 = we only have firmware that /appears/ to be too big at this time. (OS 7 to OS X, if it can be made to work via bigger EEPROM or firmware reduction)
3512 firmware can go on 3112, at least in any cases I have heard of.
3112 firmware *should* be able to go on 3512, if EEPROM is small enough or we get a smaller dump from some other card.
Keep in mind that if you have a 3112 based Mac card it would be nice to know how big the EEPROM actually is so we can see if the flasher strips certain things from it before flashing or anything like that. But also, if you come across a 3112 card (non-SeriTek/1s2 and non-sonnet TSATA) with a really small firmware it would be nice to have a dump of that to use.
Interestingly perhaps, the PC 3512&3112 firmwares are not so crazy when it comes to size difference as far as I recall, it is just the firmtek 1s2 firmware.
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http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#intel-vitesse
found this list of linux compatible sata cards... which may have some info relevant to the search!
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Oelmuvun said;
Sil3124 (found on SeriTek2SE4)
Mac OS X only, I cannot remember more about it off the top of my head. I might say it is the least interesting aside from it supporting 4 ports. PCI-X
Chris I have this card in a QS 867mhz it only works in macosx. Supports sataII
It has a Sil3124ACBHU chip check photos.
If it can be flashed to work in macos9 I would be very happy.
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hey jakl
interesting which brand name is this card? or do u even know?
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzY5WDc1MA==/$(KGrHqRHJFcFCj,EsTrRBQtUG9Gj+w~~60_3.JPG)
im trying to find one that uses this same chipset and is mac os 9 compatible
http://tinyurl.com/qybderw this board already has a socket for the bios which means if bios chip size was a problem the chip could be somewhat easily swapped out for an appropriate sized chip if we could find a mac os 9 bootable sil3124 powered card from which to take the firmware
its kind of annoying that these companies cant update their prices
135$ for a card to run 4 hard drives.. i dunno i think this price is about 50$ to steep.. it should be around 80$ to buy such a thing
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/SATA1EVE22/
(http://img2.owcnow.com/imgs/ndesc/Firmtek/FTKSATA1EVE22/FTKSATA1EVE22_hero.jpg)
i might aswell just save my time + buy one and stop trying to figure out a way to get 4 ports mac os9 bootable..
apparently there is no other 64bit cards that can do this?
i should just be happy i have my sil3112 based hacked 32bit cards that allow me to dual boot os9 + osx from seperate partitions on the same drive
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the sil3112 cards that i have that work 100% for both mac os X + 9 are these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Port-Serial-ATA-SATA-to-RAID-PCI-Card-Adapter-SIL3112-/181171525866?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item2a2eaa18ea
but they've had their bios chips replaced with a "MX" bios chip i think its called "macronix"
the codes on the chip read:
"MX" B124115
29LV040CQI-706
3L08550082
TAIWAN
and they've been reflashed with UPDFLASH.EXE with the firmtek firmwares
http://www.firmtek.com/download/
specifically: http://www.firmtek.com/download/SeriTek1S2_513.zip
(http://img1.mlstatic.com/chip-mx29lv040cqi-70g-mx29lv040cqi-29lv040cqi-virgem_MLB-O-4348727915_052013.jpg)
the only reason being i believe that they have to be 4mbit bios chip to fit the size of the firmware onto the chip, it was theorized that there was some code checking vendor id of the chip itself in the firmware but im not sure if this turned out to be factual or not.
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the vitesse vcs7174 is supposedly the chipset driving the seritek 1v4 card
everything that references the vitesse vcs7174 also references the intel 31244 as if they were both either exact or similar to each other using the same drivers etc
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/GD31244SL786/856145-ND/666910
(http://media.digikey.com/photos/Intel%20Photos/GD31244SL786.JPG)
we can see here that the visual style of the chip is similar to the sil3124
ive archived teh seritek firmwares here: http://www.macos9lives.com/downloads/public/seritek/
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(http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200508/ECSKn1Extreme_bios2.jpg)(http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200609/ecska3mvp_bios.jpg)
i just came across this bios "Top hat" socket and im wondering.. if this can be used to save a motherboard with a bad flash can this be used to just stick a bigger flash chip onto the existing one on a 3112 sata card to allow it to be the right size/manufacturer to accept the 1s2 seritek firmware? to save the time + effort of the soldering + swapping of the chip?
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Chris I don't know what chip has but it looks like the card I have
the innards of the card are placed differently but if it is a 3124 chip
maybe flashed it may work - I don't know?
Maybe the sticker on the chip covers the name of the chip.
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I'll interject with a little bit of experience here (with sil3112 cards)
You won't be able to do it solderlesly (well, you could use the webietech fw but that is osx only afaik) this is as the supported chips run at a different voltage to what all the pc cards use (3.3v vs 5v) there is a jumper on most cards to set it, but it is a small 0ohm resistor. Besides this you'll just confuse the card if it is seeing two differen't flash chips
shrinking the firmware won't help either, as it will still fail the flash id cheacks, if your looking to hacking the firmware look to hack the flash id cheacks to work with a more common chip, there are plenty of cheap 2/4mbit chips avalible (although i guess if you could both hack the flash id cheack and shrink the fw to 1mbit we'd be pretty much set)
If you have access to proper hot air rework equipment it is pretty trivial to swap the chip (or cut the chip off and solder it by hand, i don't do that personally but it should work fine)
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that transistor for changing the voltage is so freaking small ...
theres gotta be away to shrink the firmware. If anyone knew about this stuff.. to remove the osx related stuff would probably put it in the under 64k range i would guess.. at least into the under 128k range..
the ROMFILE.1S2 is found in the flasher.dmg package by browsing inide via "show package contents".. i checked it out and it seems it was written by someone named "kimchi nguyen" and another person i forgert the other name, i wonder what they would code a firmware in... and how one would go about decompiling.. if its possible at all..
would there be any way to simply.. examine the kexts that get installed on X (i wanted to look for them last nite but i forgot where to look for them)
and cross reference the kext files with the rom itself to remove..?
i saw a post by dougg3 saying that the contents of the file used some LZSS compression algorithm?
can this algorithm be used to further reduce a rom file?
what is the language that this firmware is coded in? does this have anything to do with it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Firmware
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(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/z/Je4AAOxygj5Sj5B8/$_3.JPG)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silicon-Image-SataLink-PCI-RAID-SATA-Controller-Card-Sil3112ACTG144-Ser523-Rev-B-/190979296009?pt=US_Computer_Disk_Controllers_RAID_Cards&hash=item2c7740cb09
this card looks interesting in that its 4 ports with the same chipset as the seritek 1s2 cards which are 2 port
but its also 64bit instead of 32bit
would love to have the chance to test to see if it might work in 9 or X in a power mac..
but i dont think im willing to risk the purchase:D
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i found this pdf document about the
http://www.sybausa.com/productInfo.php?iid=523
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124012
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1255;image)
http://www.sybausa.com/resource/SY-SA1622-2R/SY-SA1622-2R.pdf
if u look in this pdf file it mentions compatibility with 8.6/9.0
Driver Installation The chapter contains the procedures for installing the Windows* 98,ME,2000,XP,2003 and Vista, Red Hat* Linux7.0,8.0,9.0 and Mac* OS 8.6x,9.1x,9.2x,10.1x,10.2x,10.3x,10.4 operating systems.
so it mentions 8.6 + 9.1 +9.2... but then.. it says:
Macintosh OS 10.2x/10.3x/10.4x support is built into the Macintosh BIOS on the SATA board.
did they just forget to say 8.6/9.x? this is a gamble probably.. but im curious if it would proove to be compatible..i think its safe to say it would work for storage.. but booting?? it might work.. it might not..
http://www.amazon.com/Syba-SY-SA1622-2R-2-Port-SATA-Controller/dp/B002KX4K6K
these are on amazon for 9.99 with 18 left in stock
looking further into this the amazone page lists the chip as: Initio INIC-1622TA2 chipset with 32-bit interlacing
http://www.initio.com/Html/inic-1620.html
Other Features
Disk RAID 0/1 support (only for inic-1622TA2/1623TA2).
SATA hot plug/unplug hardware support
Implements Power Management
Full driver support for all Major Operating Systems
BIOS supports for DOS, Windows and MAC OS(only for inic-1623TA2) applications without driver involvement.
Supports Plug and Play allowing users to change configurations without the use of jumpers
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1261;image)
can see a 512 on the chip which means this rom chip is very small. 62k size.. which is great if it has firmware that can boot mac os 9....!!! but does it??
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1263;image)
its impossible to read these codes on these chips to see if its "inic-1623TA2" or "inic-1622TA2"
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these 32bit cards :http://www.mathey.jp/SerialATA.html
user protocol7 had said these cards are said to be mac os bootable with smaller firmware (64k) which would mean they use a smaller rom chip for storing drivers in flash ram
(http://www.pasocomclub.co.jp/img/4538124003394.jpg)
(http://www.mathey.jp/images/pics/bigs/MSATA-P02MAC.jpg)
MSATA-P02MAC
(http://www.mathey.jp/images/pics/bigs/MSATA-02MAC.gif)
MSATA-02MAC
(http://www.mathey.jp/images/pics/bigs/MSATA-11MAC.gif)
MSATA-11MAC
(http://ato-net.jp/column/SATA_bench/card_sata.jpg)
if one of us could find . could be tremendously helpful because the biggest reason for problems flashing cards to os9 bootable is that the seritek/sonnet firmware is too large for most chips that are already soldered onto the pcbs.. requiring the chip to be removed + replaced
these cards are discontinued and were mostly sold in the japanese market
if only we could have some japanese speaking users to help find one of these cards
im sure there are some for sale, cheap + used, on japanese sites that i cannot read...
pmc rom chip codes/sizes:
pm39LV512 512Kbit = 62.5Kbyte
pm39LV010 1Mbit = 125Kbyte
pm39LV020 2Mbit = 250Kbyte
PM39LV040 4Mbit = 500Kbyte
if the rom chip on a mac os 9 bootable sata pci card is a PMC chip ending in 010 or 512 then THATS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR!!! THATS THE KEY to us making very low cost bootable cards for os9!!!
the seritek firmware is too big.. and is stored on a 4Mbit chip.. and it also has extra code in the firmware to verify the card has this 4MBit chip... or else it wont work.. so we cant copy that firmware without using a similar size chip.. which cheap cards dont have. so we need a smaller firmware that works.. a non-seritek firmware that is still mac os 9 bootable.
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(http://www.mathey.jp/images/pics/bigs/MSATA-13UMAC.gif)
Mathey Msata-13UMAC
wondering if theres a similarity between these two cards?
the 'via' chip looks to be a similar size.. althought the layout on the pcb is different
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1251;image)
ACARD AEC-6293
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http://www.hptmac.com/categories.php?compatibility=1
i almost forgot this page
select from the left menu .. mac compatible "powermac g4" and u get these 8 cards listed as being compatible:
(http://hptmac.com/Images/rr1522a.jpg) (http://www.hptmac.com/product.php?_index=7)(http://hptmac.com/Images/rr1522box.gif)
RocketRAID 1522A
PCI
2 eSATA connectors
Support up to 2 SATA Hard Drives
(http://www.highpoint-tech.com/image/products/SATAII/RR1720_card_big.jpg) (http://www.hptmac.com/product.php?_index=39)(http://www.highpoint-tech.com/image/products/SATAII/RR1720_box_big.jpg)
RocketRaid 1720
PCI
2 internal SATA connectors
Support up to 2 SATA Hard Drives
(http://www.hptmac.com/Images/rr1740.gif) (http://www.hptmac.com/product.php?_index=9)(http://www.hptmac.com/Images/RR1740box.gif)
RocketRAID 1740
PCI
4 internal SATA connectors
Support up to 4 SATA Hard Drives
The RocketRAID 1740 delivers optimized performance and features through the use of HighPoint's industry-leading RAID technology. The RocketRAID 1740 is the latest product in storage technology, leveraging the storage performance in SATA II and supporting the fastest available throughput 300MB/s while supporting enterprise level features such as Native Command Queuing (NCQ), staggered drive spin-up.
(http://highpoint-tech.com/image/products/eSATA/RR1742_card_big.jpg) (http://www.hptmac.com/product.php?_index=19)(http://www.hptmac.com/Images/RR1742-box.gif)
RocketRAID 1742
PCI
2 eSATA and 2 internal SATA connectors
Support up to 4 SATA Hard Drives
(http://www.hptmac.com/Images/RR2210card.jpg) (http://www.hptmac.com/product.php?_index=12)(http://www.highpoint-tech.com/image/products/SATAII/rr2210_box_big.jpg)
RocketRAID 2210
PCI-X
4 internal SATA connectors
Support up to 4 SATA Hard Drives
The RocketRAID 2210 delivers optimum performance with speeds of up to 300MB/sec per port and offers advance RAID levels 0,1,5,10 and JBOD and support arrays greater than 2TB. The right choice for your video editing environment.
(http://www.hptmac.com/Images/RR2220card.jpg) (http://www.hptmac.com/product.php?_index=13)(http://highpoint-tech.com/image/products/SATA/rr2220box_big.gif)
RocketRAID 2220
PCI-X
8 internal SATA connectors
Support up to 8 SATA Hard Drives
The RocketRAID 2220 delivers optimum performance with speeds of up to 300MB/sec per port and offers advance RAID levels 0,1,5,10 and JBOD and support arrays greater than 2TB. The right choice for your video editing environment.
(http://www.hptmac.com/Images/RR2224card.jpg) (http://www.hptmac.com/product.php?_index=22)(http://highpoint-tech.com/image/products/SATAII/RR2224_box_big.jpg)
RocketRAID 2224
PCI-X
1 Infiniband and 4 internal SATA connectors
Support up to 8 SATA Hard Drives
The RocketRAID 2224 is a unique hybrid storage solution with an external Infiniband connector that supports up to 4 devices. (4) internal SATA ports storage can be combined with the external storage to support RAID arrays greater than 2TB.
(http://www.hptmac.com/Images/RR2240card.jpg) (http://www.hptmac.com/product.php?_index=14)(http://highpoint-tech.com/image/products/SATAII/rr2240box_big.jpg)
RocketRAID 2240
PCI-X
4 Infiniband connectors
Support up to 16 SATA Hard Drives
The RocketRAID 2240 is a high performance SATA II RAID controller with up 875MB/s of sustained READ/WRITE transfer rates. The RocketRAID 2240 will support up to up 16TB of storage in a single RAID array.
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these highpoint cards - i wonder which , if any, are mac os 9 bootable..
it would be particularly interesting to have this 1742 card provide port multiplier support aswell as mac os 9 booting
but its most likely these are able to boot X only :'( :'(
even tho these boxes dont say mac support most of the time they have been listed on the "highpoint mac site" http://www.hptmac.com so they must be compatible
note that they all use marvell i/o chips
i have read that the highpoint ATA controllers worked to boot mac os..
so maybe the same for these?
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http://lowendmac.com/thompson/06/1117.html
this article somewhat confirms that this owc sata pci card (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/SATAPCI2P/) does indeed
boot mac os 9!
if only we could find one:/
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wiebetech cards are on this page
http://web.archive.org/web/20060620221512/http://www.wiebetech.com/products/pci.php
(http://web.archive.org/fonts/thumb.php?h=500&w=500&pic=/images/products/TeraCard/TCS2-0.jpg)
some of us know of this card..
the originaly place where the 125KB bootable in X firmware was found
while on this topic i will atach this file incase it decides to dissappear
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1690231
this is the firmware u can use to flash a sil3112 card to be tiger/panther compatible
wow
look at this
http://web.archive.org/web/20081122053301/http://www.wiebetech.com/webtech.php?sfid=133&pcode=TC-PCI
wiebetech firmwares:D
both here
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heres an important catch by dougg3 on 68kMLA re the correct wording of the silicon image chips
he says the actual spelling of the silicon image chip name is actually "SiI"
("Si" for Silicon, then uppercase "i" standing for "Image") instead of Sil "first 3 letters of Silicon"
so its not S I L its actually S I I ..
BTW, although this isn't really relevant to the technical aspect of getting it working, I have to bring this up because it bugs me now that I'm looking back at my old posts on this topic. landonf has the naming of this chip correct. I had it wrong in the posts I linked to above. I thought the chip's name began with S, lowercase I, lowercase L (Sil3112), but it's actually S, lowercase I, uppercase I (SiI3112). Si for Silicon, I for Image. Maybe writing it both ways here will help Googlers find us :-) -- https://mac68k.info/forums/message.jspa?messageID=1109#1109
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i found this card that has the rom chip already in a socket
so to flash this card to 1s2 firmware would be really easy.. just order a 040 chip + pop it in
and reflash!! (if voltage settings are ok that is)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-O-FLEX-Serial-ATA-Dual-Channel-PCI-Host-Controller-/251154039172
its called the io flex psa150 card or FLEX IO-PSA150
i have also seen it under the name brand koutech + harmony but with the same IO-PSA150 code
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i found this card that has the rom chip already in a socket
so to flash this card to 1s2 firmware would be really easy.. just order a 040 chip + pop it in
and reflash!! (if voltage settings are ok that is)
You are a lucky guy!
I've unsuccessfully searched for this one ...
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it would be really lucky if its already got a 4mbit flash chip but i think it was said that it has to be MX macronix of PMC chip
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(http://www.mathey.jp/images/pics/bigs/MSATA-13UMAC.gif)
Mathey Msata-13UMAC
Thats the holy grail if you can find that card, it uses the cheap as hell Via 6421A chip. Get that card and it's cheap sata cards for us all :)
And just to put this out there (i already mentioned this to chrisNova777) if there is enough interest i could make a batch of the mac bootable Sil 3112 cards for perhaps £10 each
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we need someone whos japanese then we could find these cards
they are all sold by mathey.jp but most are discontinued
http://www.mathey.jp/SerialATA.html
japan needs craiglist, in english:) lol
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And just to put this out there (i already mentioned this to chrisNova777) if there is enough interest i could make a batch of the mac bootable Sil 3112 cards for perhaps £10 each
If you make it, I wish to buy couple of them too.
BTW: if you are the same guy behind "Max1zzz's classic mac server", thank you, I've visited your great server in several occasions ...
... and welcome to "Mac Os 9 Lives"!
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(http://www.mathey.jp/images/pics/bigs/MSATA-13UMAC.gif)
Mathey Msata-13UMAC
Thats the holy grail if you can find that card, it uses the cheap as hell Via 6421A chip. Get that card and it's cheap sata cards for us all :)
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ACARD-AEC-6293-PCI-1-CH-eSATA-1-CH-SATA-1-CH-PATA-Adapter-/261304968523
i wonder if it could work with the acard firmware.. using it to flash a generic via chip
compare the size f the chip it looks like acard has used a via chip rebranded as acard ..
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And just to put this out there (i already mentioned this to chrisNova777) if there is enough interest i could make a batch of the mac bootable Sil 3112 cards for perhaps £10 each
If you make it, I wish to buy couple of them too.
BTW: if you are the same guy behind "Max1zzz's classic mac server", thank you, I've visited your great server in several occasions ...
... and welcome to "Mac Os 9 Lives"!
Yes i am, thanks :)
I will look at getting a batch of the cards ordered soon, just need the money to do so...
compare the size f the chip it looks like acard has used a via chip rebranded as acard ..
It might well be a rebranded via chip, so it's always worth getting one and dumping the firmware
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i have the 6880M 2xPATA, and the 6885M 4xPATA and the 6290M (2xSATA)
i think u can just download the acard firmware frm somewhere let me look
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I will look at getting a batch of the cards ordered soon, just need the money to do so...
I can send you the money in advance...
BTW:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtOW_0SxFp_Ub6pMlMF0NExPooUZD_rdmgVJ50MggRlV8FyTPAVHbPlVg) = (http://www.mathey.jp/images/m_logo.gif) ?
A Mathey Serial ATA Card may be a re-packaged Firmtek card...
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A Mathey Serial ATA Card may be a re-packaged Firmtek card...
this may be true in 1 or 2 cases but also not in some cases...
firmtek's japanese cards are under the "ratoc" brand i think the "Ratoc" cards are all firmtek firmware.
im pretty sure i heard this directly from a firmtek rep, that ratoc is their company aswell.. or that they have a deal with them
to distribute their cards in japan.
re: mathey/macally THATS why i think this is so familiar..
i saw a picture of a mosue with the logo on it and i swore i have seen these before..
it looks too similar/idential to be a coincidence
http://www.ratocsystems.com/products/subpage/pci15pm.html
i would love to have a 3/1 setup like this card.. 1 esata, 3 internal,
for me this is ideal because u can have 1 external highspeed drive, 1 internal ssd boot, and then a dual raid for fast loading of samples
even firmtek doesnt sell a card with this set up.. u would have to get a 1v4 + 1 esata mounting bracket.. or perhaps a solution would be
to have a front 3.5" under the cd with a esata port there.. so u dont have to take up a pci slot for bracket for esata port.
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I will look at getting a batch of the cards ordered soon, just need the money to do so...
I can send you the money in advance...
BTW:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtOW_0SxFp_Ub6pMlMF0NExPooUZD_rdmgVJ50MggRlV8FyTPAVHbPlVg) = (http://www.mathey.jp/images/m_logo.gif) ?
A Mathey Serial ATA Card may be a re-packaged Firmtek card...
Mactron why not put it to the group and we all put in for the cards and help Mathey since he's offering to help? We probably just need to find the cards and know how many people are interested in this so we know how many cards we need for this.
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heres a highres image of the mathey card
u can clearly see that it has a .5 Mbit chip on it
also a pdf datasheet:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050516152711/http://www.mathey.jp/download/MSATA-P02MAC.pdf
this card began being sold in October 2003.
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http://www.mac-paradise.com/htmls/4538124004285-1.html
can anyone read japanese?
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mactron, that's good with me :) I just need to go and price up what the cards and chips cost
but what jakl suggests might be a good idea, if there's enough people interested i will order a lot of 10 or so
chrisNova777, did you find the firmware? i have a bunch of via6421's sitting around
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chrisNova777, did you find the firmware? i have a bunch of via6421's sitting around
are they expendable guinea pig cards? ;D
http://www.acard.com/english/fc01.jsp
select product model "aec-6293M" (2 sata + 1 pata) "M" at the end indicates mac version
(http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/16-124-011-12.jpg)
are these the cards u have?
these ones seem to have 3 sata + 1 pata
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDUwMA==/z/cLEAAMXQfvlSjQXJ/$_35.JPG)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1328;image)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1326;image)
atp-8620 http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-area.jsp?idno_no=3&prod_no=ATP-8620&type1_title=IC&type1_idno=1
its either via or promise..
(http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/Promise%20S150%20TX2plus/DSCN0213.jpg)
(http://www.nbm24.de/userdata/mysydeshop/images/normal/Inline/66697B-1.jpg)
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(http://www.macos9lives.com/downloads/_img/acard_6290m.jpg)
http://dl.acard.com/manual/english/aec-6290m.pdf (2 x sata /w hardware level raid 0,1)
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1324;image)
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Yes i have a couple of spare cards, will give it a go tommrow :)
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http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php
this is a prety insane long document
i would think theres little risk involved u can always flash back with a pc if thats what u are using
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/SILICON-IMAGE-PB3112SATA150-SATA-CONTROLLER-/261300772480
another great find here
"PB3112SATA150"
this card also has the rom chip socket on the board
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1334;image)
not sure what brand/make this is but u can find it with that identifier
the sticker is blocking the chip so no way to know what size rom chip it comes with
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1336;image)
the pcb board on this card is consistant with the "Silicon Image" branded cards.. so its a 100% made by silicon image.. thats why it says 2002 and not 2003 or 2004 (when the other cards hit the market)
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heres the datasheet on the sil3112
screenshots are an example of the 16 hex- bytes of the config string from the 3512 pdf
could this be a simple fix of correcting the vendor + device ids in the firmware??????????
max1zzz are u up for checking this out?? i think the very first thing to do would be to check the device id + vendor id
are matching up correctly for a 3512 vs 3112
observe that the setup for the string is structured slightly different depending on which type of memory the rom file is stored in
flash rom vs eeprom
also remember that dougg3 had said that this string is read *backwards* from the end of the file, back 1 by 1 hex byte (not sure if thats the proper reference) so its the last 16 characters of the rom file to look at... see dougs post here: https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/13557-sil3112-flashing-sata/?p=221554
The last 16 bytes of the flash chip contain some configuration values for the Sil3112 according to the Sil3112 datasheet. It sets stuff like the PCI ID and some register options in the chip. It reads backwards from the end of the chip looking for these bytes (very last byte first, then second to last byte, and so on...):
0xAA (data signature) 0x55 (data signature) flash speed (0xAA = 120 ns, otherwise 240 ns) 0x55 (data signature) PCI device ID bits 23:16 PCI device ID bits 31:24 PCI class code bits 15:8 PCI class code bits 23:16 PCI sub-system vendor ID bits 7:0 PCI sub-system vendor ID bits 15:8 PCI sub-system ID bits 23:16 PCI sub-system ID bits 31:24 SATA PHY config bits 7:0 (default: 0xF1) SATA PHY config bits 15:8 (default: 0x80) SATA PHY config bits 23:16 (default: 0x00) SATA PHY config bits 31:24 (default: 0x00)
It's probably a good idea to ensure that string is at the end of the chip. Good call on doing that!
anyway
we need to compare like i said a working 3512 rom file.. (saved from a working 3512 card?) with the 1s2 firmware file
i think that these values are very important and that these values matching between the 3112a cards is the only reason why the firmware 'works' with only those cards.. because the device id + vendor id and/or other values is somehow matching up properly on these cards.. but on other non 3112a cards there is a slight mismatch... but if we can change these values to their correct values we might be able to realize having bootable 3512 / 3124 cards!!! enough 'shooting in the dark' we need factual intelligent information on how to fix this + configure these things correctly.. its not rocket science if u have the information regarding setup to cross reference.. then u change a few numbers + it works!
i will attach the 3124 pdf datasheet also
i found the filenames (but broken links) here http://wiki.osdev.org/User:Quok/Silicon_Image_Datasheets
14 12 0C 72
6F 6D 2D 72
65 76 69 73
69 6F 6E 01
this is the last string in the 1s2 rom of 16 'bytes' before it 'pads out' all zeroed blocks 00000000
so going by what dougg3 said, 73 69 would be the pci device id entries?
then 76 65 the pci class codes
then 72 2D the vendor id's
and then 6D 6F the subsystem id. etc etc
how do i convert these to normal digits
where is blitter when u need him LOL ;D
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Ok, bad news, the acard chip is not a rebranded via one. If you look closley at the board the sata lines come out a differen't side than the via chip
I haven't had a chance to look at that yet, but i don't think its going to make any difference, because i just copied the firmware from my sil3112 card, so it's id will be set as a 3112. However the card still reports as a sil 3512 and i don't think that the firmware will execute when the card identifies itself as a 3512
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Ok, just done the maths on the sil 3112 cards, the cost of the card is £4.76 + £0.93 for the correct flash chip
So it'll be £9 + shipping for a card (shipping is 73p to the UK, £3.20 to europe and £3.80 to the rest of the world)
Only problem i have encountered with these cards is that my 2001 QS won't boot with them installed, my b/w G3 and sawtooth g4 are fine with it. I need to test the MDD with one (I expect it should work as they work in my g4 xserve which is based off the MDD iirc)
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i have 2 of the cards doug made... and they work fine in my mdd + qs
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have you got a '01 or '02 QS? Might just be that mine is being picky
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Ok, bad news, the acard chip is not a rebranded via one. If you look closley at the board the sata lines come out a differen't side than the via chip
I haven't had a chance to look at that yet, but i don't think its going to make any difference, because i just copied the firmware from my sil3112 card, so it's id will be set as a 3112. However the card still reports as a sil 3512 and i don't think that the firmware will execute when the card identifies itself as a 3512
yeah i noticed that the acard chip was listed on that pci devices site i posted above... so its a seperate chip of its own..
not the same as the via 6421.
i really wish u had some type of instant message max..
i have questions about what u have done and what u are doing it with.. and i want to discuss this but i dont want to spend 2 hrs posting threads;D
my qs is a 2002 933 rev. B board.
speaking of quicksilvers
heres a page where a guy is installing a via powered mathey card into a qs
http://www.designers-garage.jp/apple/tips/g4hdd/
notice hes using PATA... probably to avoid the size limitation of the "rev.A"
2001 quicksilver board you probably have max..
(http://www.designers-garage.jp/apple/tips/g4hdd/tiny/11_big.jpg)
(http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201404/20/11/e0109011_15075870.jpg)
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You can always drop in on my wired server, or if you have a gmail account gmail has a im feature i use from time to time. But apart from that i will never have any kind of im
Anyhow, yes mine is a '01 so thats probably the problem.
If only we could find that card, anyware, i looked through almost every japaneese site that had them listed and they where all out of stock.. I'll pay good money if anyone can turn up one of those cards
Oh, and i ordered myself a flash chip programmer, so i'll do a bit more screwing with the sil 3112 and 3512 cards once i have that (i'm gonna socket the chip on both)
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we need a realtime chat room on the site!!!!!! -afro-
would help to be able to collaborate
and problem solve
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Yeah that would be good, shouldn't be too hard to setup a irc chat room
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You can always drop in on my wired server, or if you have a gmail account gmail has a im feature i use from time to time. But apart from that i will never have any kind of im
Anyhow, yes mine is a '01 so thats probably the problem.
If only we could find that card, anyware, i looked through almost every japaneese site that had them listed and they where all out of stock.. I'll pay good money if anyone can turn up one of those cards
Oh, and i ordered myself a flash chip programmer, so i'll do a bit more screwing with the sil 3112 and 3512 cards once i have that (i'm gonna socket the chip on both)
I just had a hunt through my old things and I've got a Mathey MSATAII-I2MAC brand new in the shrink-wrap.. I must have bought it years ago and not installed it. Softmap in Akihabara for Yen 4880, about 50 bucks.
If you could talk me through how to extract the firmware I'll give it a go. Do you want me to open it and take a pic?
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i found this pdf document about the
http://www.sybausa.com/productInfo.php?iid=523
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124012
Other Features
Disk RAID 0/1 support (only for inic-1622TA2/1623TA2).
SATA hot plug/unplug hardware support
Implements Power Management
Full driver support for all Major Operating Systems
BIOS supports for DOS, Windows and MAC OS(only for inic-1623TA2) applications without driver involvement.
Supports Plug and Play allowing users to change configurations without the use of jumpers
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1261;image)
can see a 512 on the chip which means this rom chip is very small. 62k size.. which is great if it has firmware that can boot mac os 9....!!! but does it??
(http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=825.0;attach=1263;image)
its impossible to read these codes on these chips to see if its "inic-1623TA2" or "inic-1622TA2"
It is the inic-1623TA3 on the Mathey card and looking at the pic on the box it seems to be identical except for the 2 SATA ports near the riser.
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(http://www.mathey.jp/images/pics/bigs/MSATA-13UMAC.gif)
Mathey Msata-13UMAC
Thats the holy grail if you can find that card, it uses the cheap as hell Via 6421A chip. Get that card and it's cheap sata cards for us all :)
I've been reading up on these cards and there are lots of reports of failures.
There is a SUGOI SATA CARD【SATA-IF150CM】SATA+UltraATA card, which looks pretty similar, up on Yahoo Auction Japan at the moment for Yen 2,000 about £10
http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r120274162#enlargeimg
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hi thebob;
the card u linked is not the same card...
similar, but we have no reason to believe that the card u posted is mac compatible... with any series of macs be it powerpc or intel.
its most likely that the card works in mac os x.... the cards we feature + discuss on this site are rare in that they are also capable of booting mac os 9...
if they dont specify that it can boot classic mac os/mac os 9 then its most likely that it does not work for this purpose.
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hi thebob;
the card u linked is not the same card...
similar, but we have no reason to believe that the card u posted is mac compatible... with any series of macs be it powerpc or intel.
"MacOS 10.4/10.3/10.2.8/9.2.2。
対応パソコンは、Power Mac G5（PCI-Xスロットモデル）、 Power Mac G4 、Power Mac G3 (Blue&White) 以降です。"
These are the details of the posted card up for auction at the moment. It's a used card out of a Quicksilver.
The card you are looking for the, Mathey Msata-13UMAC is really unusual. I'll hunt around and see if I can find one. If I do do you have a quick tutorial on how to extract the firmware?
Is the firmware on my MSATAII-12MAC no good to you? Thats on an INIC1623TA3 controller. And the card is still shrink-wrapped. I've had it for years.
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Here is the product page for the Sugoi SATA-IF150CM
The details state MacOS 10.4/10.3/10.2.8/9.2.2 Power Mac G5,G4,G3 (Blue&White)
http://www.system-talks.co.jp/product/sata-if150cm.htm
And a closeup of the silicon.
(http://)
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i see now that it says its 9.22 compatible.. but ive never seen any other card to have 3 sata ports + ata support..
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.system-talks.co.jp%2Fproduct%2Fsata-if150cm.htm&edit-text=&act=url
(http://www.system-talks.co.jp/product/sata/if150cm/SATA-IF150CM.package.jpg)
(http://www.system-talks.co.jp/product/sata/if150cm/connect.gif)
though this drive claims compatibility with 9.22 i doubt it supports BOOTing mac os 9 from an attached drive..
because they dont claim this fact.. instead they choose to stress the tiger compatibility . why? because it probably boots tiger only.. not panther, and not mac os 9.
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I just had a hunt through my old things and I've got a Mathey MSATAII-I2MAC brand new in the shrink-wrap.. I must have bought it years ago and not installed it. Softmap in Akihabara for Yen 4880, about 50 bucks.
If you could talk me through how to extract the firmware I'll give it a go. Do you want me to open it and take a pic?
Great! At least you have the card! I do not know how to save the firmware, but having the card was the first wall. You are decided to extract the firmware. Thanks! Soon someone here will give you the tips to make it. Probably max1zzz or other expert in that. We already have found a firmware to make the cheap ones OS9 compatible, I believe max1zzz is offering them. For sure taking a look on the firmware would reveal things about that unique Mathey card
I think there are 3 firmwares for SiI 3112. The Sonnet/Firmtek, the Weinetech and the last one is the Mathey, and some require swapping of chips.
Thats the holy grail if you can find that card, it uses the cheap as hell Via 6421A chip. Get that card and it's cheap sata cards for us all :)
I've been reading up on these cards and there are lots of reports of failures.
There is a SUGOI SATA CARD【SATA-IF150CM】SATA+UltraATA card, which looks pretty similar, up on Yahoo Auction Japan at the moment for Yen 2,000 about £10
http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r120274162#enlargeimg
Try to contact max1zzz if noone post anything. Or iMic. Maybe he can point you to someone who knows how to.
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Thats the holy grail if you can find that card, it uses the cheap as hell Via 6421A chip. Get that card and it's cheap sata cards for us all :)
I've been reading up on these cards and there are lots of reports of failures.
Where are those reports? Bad news if it has lots of reports of failures.
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The via cards will have higher failer rate, but there cheep. Really cheap.
I can get them in the UK for around £5
I have had 3 of the PC via cards and only one ever gave me any problems, around once a month the controller would drop off the face of the earth, rebooting the server it was in brought it back online.
I would love to buy that SATA-IF150CM card, But my project budget is currently already allocated. But if someone was to buy the card i could dump the firmware from it
As for the MSATAII-12MAC, can you take a picture of that card? I always assumed it had a Sil3112 chipset on it, I am intrigued to hear ir is something different
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I just had a hunt through my old things and I've got a Mathey MSATAII-I2MAC brand new in the shrink-wrap.. I must have bought it years ago and not installed it. Softmap in Akihabara for Yen 4880, about 50 bucks.
If you could talk me through how to extract the firmware I'll give it a go. Do you want me to open it and take a pic?
i missed this post before
(http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/img211.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/5/4/1/5/vivanuke-img600x450-1410662245jjdee72830.jpg)
well to get the firmware off the card u have to use DOS in a PC motherboard with pci slots
am i right max??
theres many command line dos utilities for reading the contents of the bios chip to a file
few of us here could give more assistance as needed
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I just had a hunt through my old things and I've got a Mathey MSATAII-I2MAC brand new in the shrink-wrap.. I must have bought it years ago and not installed it. Softmap in Akihabara for Yen 4880, about 50 bucks.
If you could talk me through how to extract the firmware I'll give it a go. Do you want me to open it and take a pic?
i missed this post before
(http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/img211.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/5/4/1/5/vivanuke-img600x450-1410662245jjdee72830.jpg)
well to get the firmware off the card u have to use DOS in a PC motherboard with pci slots
am i right max??
theres many command line dos utilities for reading the contents of the bios chip to a file
few of us here could give more assistance as needed
You should be able to, but it's not something i have much experience with. I just remove chips and stick them in my programmer now :)
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http://lowendmac.com/thompson/06/1117.html
this article somewhat confirms that this owc sata pci card (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/SATAPCI2P/) does indeed
boot mac os 9!
if only we could find one:/
What do we need to do with it? I was lucky enough to spot one on ebay during my MDD G4 hunting about a month and a half ago. It works great with both OS 9 and all versions of OS X I have tried thus far (no drivers to install and no oddities in how devices are detected).
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https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/13557-sil3112-flashing-sata/page-6#entry252033
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1690231&page=5
any progress thebob????
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My mathey isn't bootable.
Tried in a G4 and a G3 with os 9.2
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Thanks "thebob"... back to the drawing board :)
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wow.. that sucks :o
can u offer any info on the controller chip?
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What is the difference betwen Max1zzz cards and ACARD AEC-6290M?
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTE5WDEyMDA=/z/NycAAOSwWKtUxL-E/$_57.JPG)
Performance? Bootability?
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the 6290m i have one.
i posted benchmarks of it being used in raid0 almost a year ago
its a raid card that does hardware level raid mirror or stripe with 2 drives
and is mac os 9 comptible and bootable
its very rare now tho, and sold out - i literally got the last one from acard distributors..
i had asked them for one and they said there were none left and then they wrote me back some months later saying that they had found one when cleaning out some shelves.. and they sent it to me.
err wait.. the 6290m has no raid function and just gives the ports + bootability
it is the 6890m that i have. my mistake. u can tell by the lack of dipswitches on the card
in this white box next to the picture legend of the dipswitch settings
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i noticed harrymatic posted a 64k rom
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1690231&page=6
maybe max1zzz or someone else can test this?
i think he reduced the weibetech firmware
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i think he reduced the weibetech firmware
Yes, he reduced the Wiebetech firmware that hasn't Mac Os 9 support.
The SeriTek firmware is generally more compatible than the Weibetech firmware, it works with OS 9 ...
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yep i posted that before he replied
i was hoping he reduced the firmtek obviously :o
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(http://www.mathey.jp/images/pics/bigs/MSATA-13UMAC.gif)
Mathey Msata-13UMAC
Thats the holy grail if you can find that card, it uses the cheap as hell Via 6421A chip. Get that card and it's cheap sata cards for us all :)
And just to put this out there (i already mentioned this to chrisNova777) if there is enough interest i could make a batch of the mac bootable Sil 3112 cards for perhaps £10 each
I have that card and the specs are open. Internally it looks a lot like the Silicon Image 3114 - 3112 - 680 family, of course the registers are different.
I am not sure, how big is the flash rom space (not per physical flash size, but by what is allowed).
Also, not sure about the performance. The 3114 performance is not very good on writes. In any case that card is in the pipeline.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silicon-Image-SataLink-PCI-RAID-SATA-Controller-Card-Sil3112ACTG144-Ser523-Rev-B-/190979296009?pt=US_Computer_Disk_Controllers_RAID_Cards&hash=item2c7740cb09
this card looks interesting in that its 4 ports with the same chipset as the seritek 1s2 cards which are 2 port
but its also 64bit instead of 32bit
would love to have the chance to test to see if it might work in 9 or X in a power mac..
but i dont think im willing to risk the purchase:D
Got the three-chip version with six channels. The PCI-PCI-X bridge is non-transparent, can't see the 3112 chips. :(
Unless someone tells me, how to re-program the bridge, these are likely to be great as a fancy wall decoration or letter weight.
Apparently, some use transparent bridges - would be great to know, which ones.
I think, every card of this kind branded by Adaptec is a bad choice.
Mine is from Adaptec. Looking for a non-Adaptec solution.
Nice weather here in Alsace today, continuing on 3114 / 3112 / 680 (and by proxy, since it's so similar) with VIA VT6421A.
Don't misunderstand: the VIA chip is very different from Silicon Image - but the entire logic how it handles things is the same.
What is different is the location of registers (while handling them is the same).
Attention with VIA: there are many-many of them, dirt cheap on eBay. Most don't have any ROM, just a place for the socket.
Mine has a non-socketed SST 49LF004B.
https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf/506447/SiliconStorageTechnology/SST49LF004B/1
According the spec, it is a 4 Mbit LPC Firmware Flash, which boils down to 512KB ROM space - that has room for OpenFirmware, '9' SIM, BIOS, PPC "X" driver and even EFI for booting.
Hopefully, the card looking at the spec card seem to have 64KB ROM space only, do not understand why a 512KB ROM chip was put there.
64 would be enough for "9" and OpenFirmware only.
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there are six channel cards? :)
more cowbell storage!
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there are six channel cards? :)
more cowbell storage!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/283528628048?ul_noapp=true
This is what I bought (for £15, eBay shows the offer price, not the agreed upon price):
https://vod.ebay.com/vod/FetchOrderDetails?sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AVPS&itemid=283528628048&transid=2136562036018
Very well could be, I will have an other paperweight.
This guy (notice the country!)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233241220316?ul_noapp=true
wants 5000 HUF + 1000 HUF for shipping to my family there. It's essentially an Adaptec card with very bad firmware.
But I think, having two paperweights already is enough. I told him, 3000 Fortints (ca. $9), he wants more of course.
These cards have Intel I/O processor, usually set in non-transparent mode.
If I would figure out how to make it transparent, that would be great.
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holy crap, i really want to have one of those one day. why upgrade fom 2 to 4 when i can have 6? :)
the raid modes can hopefully be turned off.
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eh, but it´s PCIe once more.
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holy crap, i really want to have one of those one day. why upgrade fom 2 to 4 when i can have 6? :)
the raid modes can hopefully be turned off.
all of them are PCI-X, not PCI-e.
The different cards are needed to check, how to turn the transparency off (if needed).
If the transparency is already off, that's a bonus.
In general, these cards present a pain in the butt because even if the transparency is off, I need to figure out how to address the ROM.
(Because we do not need the useless Adaptec firmware, we need OpenFirmware inside).
It's kind of a project for the next lock-down if COVID-20 or COVID-21 happens.
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okay because it said PCIe :) https://www.ebay.com/itm/283528628048?ul_noapp=true
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okay because it said PCIe :) https://www.ebay.com/itm/283528628048?ul_noapp=true
Yes, they made an obvious mistake. That card is I think made by LSI, not Adaptec.
The BOM is about the same, hopefully the internal design will be better.
Probably not the most important card in the collection of course - due the complicated and over-engineered bridge.