Mac OS 9 Lives
Mac OS 9 Discussion => Software => Topic started by: FBz on May 09, 2023, 01:24:13 PM
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Greystash is receiving quite a few accolades for his ChatGPT client built specifically (first) for OS 9, over on MacRumors. (And even a question as to why he chose OS 9 first.)
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/chatgpt-desktop-application-for-mac-os-9.2389025/
So, because he didn’t post it here first, I say we strip him of one or two of his stripes or banish him completely, altogether (laughing).
BUT, we don’t need no stinkin’ ChatGPT client here, no how, anyway. ;)
Well, maybe some of us might give it a whirl? But honestly, I think I might just wait. :o
Bowman: “Open the pod bay doors HAL”.
“I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that?”
Bowman: “Why is that HAL?”.
(FBz shudders.)
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Whatever floats his boat. And, there's more traffic at MacRumors ;)
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BUT, we don’t need no stinkin’ ChatGPT client here, no how, anyway. ;)
hallo hallo, watch out, we need everything for OS9, no matter how silly it is.
will it work with free account?
while noone asked for it, i think i´ll preprare a little icon. :P
oh damn, and the monthly...
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Ahh I'm sorry! I feel bad advertising things like that here! I feel like I've done enough of that with other projects and you'll get sick of it..
Thank you for posting FBz I appreciate it. MacOS9Lives is my true home so I didn't want to muddy it! You all got me started down this road a few years ago! 8)
An update to the application: It now supports Mac OS 8.6 - OSX 10.6.8 :D
It is completely free to use, however it is reliant on small donations to cover running costs. I am more than happy to pay for it to an extent but it depends on how much it is used (more usage incurs more cost to me).
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You know I was only just giving you “the business”.😉
But… if Sarah Conner ever shows up at my door, I’ll blame you as the source.
And ya know, it often gets a bit quiet ‘round here. Good work!
So keep us posted if the costs do get out of hand. 8)
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Greystash is receiving quite a few accolades for his ChatGPT client built specifically (first) for OS 9, over on MacRumors. (And even a question as to why he chose OS 9 first.)
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/chatgpt-desktop-application-for-mac-os-9.2389025/
So, because he didn’t post it here first, I say we strip him of one or two of his stripes or banish him completely, altogether (laughing).
BUT, we don’t need no stinkin’ ChatGPT client here, no how, anyway. ;)
Well, maybe some of us might give it a whirl? But honestly, I think I might just wait. :o
Bowman: “Open the pod bay doors HAL”.
“I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that?”
Bowman: “Why is that HAL?”.
(FBz shudders.)
You actually sound like you're upset. ::)
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Haha yeah I know ;) I'll keep you posted, but someone please let me know if it is too much ;D
Thank you, I hope you find it useful!
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One thing got my eye on https://manticore.nz/legacyai:
"Security
Mac OS 9 was built before HTTPS was a standard protocol used for transferring information over the internet. "
BUT!:
From Wikipedia:
"Netscape Communications created HTTPS in 1994 for its Netscape Navigator web browser."
And every Netscape versions for Mac OS9 support https, but not that stupid "kill support for old" incompatible https with TLS.
Anyway security is relative when speaking about(or with) AI :)
Anyway..good job! and I hope you get donations.
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One thing got my eye on https://manticore.nz/legacyai:
"Security
Mac OS 9 was built before HTTPS was a standard protocol used for transferring information over the internet. "
BUT!:
From Wikipedia:
"Netscape Communications created HTTPS in 1994 for its Netscape Navigator web browser."
And every Netscape versions for Mac OS9 support https, but not that stupid "kill support for old" incompatible https with TLS.
Anyway security is relative when speaking about(or with) AI :)
Anyway..good job! and I hope you get donations.
That's interesting! I had no idea Netscape had support for it, very cool. The TLS issue is a pain :(
Thank you teroyk!
One last update:
There was a bug which broke the update flow, so anyone using the version 1.0-1.1 (especially Carbon) apps won't download the correct updates. If you want to fix this you will need to download the new version (I know it's annoying :(). See the update notes here: http://manticore.nz/news/legacyai-breaking-changes/
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Downloaded the program, and it is really nice. It is really motivating that such clients can be done for our plattform! Thank you for the effords.
There are two issues I´d like to talk about:
1.) Problems with Umlauts. Other languages than English do not work well. I suspect some display problem, as character coding seems to arrive correctly?
2.) The answers of ChatGTP with this client are crap. I did not play much with ChatGTP in general, but what I saw at friends places with the "logged in versions" the chats were 10 times better than what I get with this client, ... It puts out standard-paragraphs with completely wrong informations, reapeats itself word by word, ... Also when changing the model it stays the same. Is it some crippled version that the client is connecting to?
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Thanks Mat! ;D
1.) The next update will be for bug fixes and I'll look into this too.
2.) Yes I agree the earlier GPT models aren't great, it was using the text-davinci-003 model which is old now. I've just addressed this with a v1.3 update. The latest version now has support for the ChatGPT-3.5 AI model, which is the standard model everybody has access to at OpenAI's website. This will greatly improve responses! You can choose which model you use within the application's preferences.
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I know that everyone is obsessed with it and thinks that this is the "greatest thing since sliced bread", but, to quote Frankie Goes to Hollywood, "what is it good for?" ;)
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You are right, the 3.5 model has much better responses now. Thanks for the immediate update to version 1.3!
For a future update, may I suggest to make the window resizeable if it is not too much coding work?
And regarding "what is it good for", at least we have now the possibility to investigate this. Especially for people like me who are only using MacOS 9 this is a great improvement! ;)
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You are right, the 3.5 model has much better responses now. Thanks for the immediate update to version 1.3!
That's good to hear!
For a future update, may I suggest to make the window resizeable if it is not too much coding work?
Sure thing, I'll look into that over the next few weeks.
I've just added a Universal Binary release which means application support now spans 14 Mac OS systems from OS 8.1 - El Capitan!
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I know that everyone is obsessed with it and thinks that this is the "greatest thing since sliced bread", but, to quote Frankie Goes to Hollywood, "what is it good for?" ;)
The main reason I built it was because accessing information/browsing the internet under OS9 is a pain. I always find myself having to switch computers to find some simple information. I took this screenshot of one question I asked which blew me away initially, and gave me the idea to build an OS9 client. It's a simple question/answer but I couldn't find the preferences and searching Google under OS9 would have been a nightmare..
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when i remote win10 from OS9, my desktop remote app is kdx, which does not support copy and paste from the host. so a frontend like yours is most welcome.
it is even a useful project for modern systems. getting rid of a browser requirement for such service is always a good idea.
i am wondering anyway how long it could take that someone will offer a "resold" shared pro account for a chatbot.
hopefully the donation system will work out. otherwise you will have to implement a limit, say like 200 queries per 24 hours or something in that direction.
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I know that everyone is obsessed with it and thinks that this is the "greatest thing since sliced bread", but, to quote Frankie Goes to Hollywood, "what is it good for?" ;)
headlines about "next revolution" or "great danger" are part of an advertising campaign.
people dont even know that they have AI technology in their photoshop plug-ins since about 4 years.
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Two updates a day, what a service! ;)
The 1.5 carbon-version cannot be unpacked under Mac OS 9.x Stuffit Expander 5.5 reports a unknown ZIP-header and does nothing, Stuffit 7.0.3 unpacks it with the result of generic files without any creator (plus this 2nd folders with "_" before the name).
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i am wondering anyway how long it could take that someone will offer a "resold" shared pro account for a chatbot.
hopefully the donation system will work out. otherwise you will have to implement a limit, say like 200 queries per 24 hours or something in that direction.
This is on the cards, I'm surprised at how much usage it's had over the last three days. It completely blew over my initial budget but thankfully a few donators have kept it above water for now. I'm hoping usage drops a little and things steady out soon.
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Two updates a day, what a service! ;)
The 1.5 carbon-version cannot be unpacked under Mac OS 9.x Stuffit Expander 5.5 reports a unknown ZIP-header and does nothing, Stuffit 7.0.3 unpacks it with the result of generic files without any creator (plus this 2nd folders with "_" before the name).
Yikes, thank you I'll look into that now!
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This is on the cards, I'm surprised at how much usage it's had over the last three days.
if you´d split it up into two different proxies you could see how much of that is OS9 vs OSX.
not sure about the legal and technical aspects of the pro accounts but i think as long as you only ask for donations to cover the cost noone will care. in the enterprise field they also only buy 2 accounts for 100 clients, so why not in associations.
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This is on the cards, I'm surprised at how much usage it's had over the last three days.
if you´d split it up into two different proxies you could see how much of that is OS9 vs OSX.
not sure about the legal and technical aspects of the pro accounts but i think as long as you only ask for donations to cover the cost noone will care. in the enterprise field they also only buy 2 accounts for 100 clients, so why not in associations.
That's a good idea, usage has dropped off a bit now which is good. If it stays at this level it will be manageable for a while with the donation amounts that have come in so far :)
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Update: I've just released a 68k version (http://manticore.nz/legacyai) which is compatible with 68020 CPUs and above. The app will now run from a 68k Macintosh on System 7 to El Capitan 8)
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Great work! Love it! :)
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Meanwhile in the news..
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chatgpts-chief-testify-congress-concerns-grow-artificial-intelligences-99354486
ChatGPT's chief to testify before Congress as concerns grow about artificial intelligence's risks
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What started out as a panic among educators about ChatGPT's use to cheat on homework assignments has expanded to broader concerns about the ability of the latest crop of “generative AI” tools to mislead people, spread falsehoods, violate copyright protections and upend some jobs.
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dont worry about machines, nothing is more intelligent than the "person, woman, man, camera, tv" guy himself.
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Update: I've just released a 68k version (http://manticore.nz/legacyai) which is compatible with 68020 CPUs and above. The app will now run from a 68k Macintosh on System 7 to El Capitan 8)
Thanks for the great work.
More people need to tell it about LegacyAI, because it recommends I update my OS if I want a client!
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Whatever one thinks about AI in general, and ChatGPT in particular, this application is truly amazing.
I had it up and running in seconds. It just works and does what is promised and intended on a hurge range of CPUs.
Realizes latest technology in the way that attracted us to Macs. Truly rare these days.
T H A N K S ! ! !
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The last 2 days I am always getting an "Connection Error" after the first answer I recived. My internet connection is ok and as soon as I close the program and open it again I can ask one other question ;)
I am using v. 1.3 at a Ti-Book with 9.2.2, … anybody else with similar behaviours? To be crystal clear, it worked well last week, even v. 1.3.
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I've noticed the same issue Mat. This coincided with OpenAI making lots of changes to the API last week which has resulted in slower response times. The problem is that Heroku (where I host the proxy server) has a 30s request timeout that you can't change >:(. To solve this I could move the server to another service, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the increased cost. If it becomes a big problem I'll think about it more.
For now, you can just resubmit your question and most times it will respond within the 30s timeout. I'll probably implement some retry logic with v2.1 but that's still not a solid fix.
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I've just release version 2.0 which includes a bunch of new features and bug fixes detailed here (https://manticore.nz/news/legacyai-v2-0-release/).
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What's Heroku costing you? I think there are cheaper, speedier options if you're OK with doing more work yourself.
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The version 2.0 is working great! Thanks for implementing the resizing of the window. I also have no connection problems anymmore and Umlauts are working well. Only very minor issue; "Speak Responses" is activated by default in the Settings, what leaded to a general "Error 3" and crash of the program at my 9.2.2 computer. Perhaps some people might think there is an serious issue, while everything works well after deactivating "Speak Responses". I am using the PPC version, no possibiliy to test the other versions.
A huge "Thank You!" for this nice software.
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Thanks for the feedback Mat! I've addressed all of these issues with the v2.1 release (http://manticore.nz/news/legacyai-v2-1-release/), which comes with many new features. I think there can be issues if your speech setup (extensions etc.) isn't setup as a clean install would be, I haven't really looked into this yet though.
rvense:Heroku is costing $8/month, it's pretty lousy for what It offers. I've just introduced a premium server which is available to registered users in v2.1, which now has a 5 minute request timeout, and has much better performance. This has solved all of the network issues the previous versions were experiencing. It doubles the running costs so that's why I've had to implement licensing/a small fee to use it.
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The ai overhype is out of control ::)
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This allow a great step in to the 21st century to our beloved Mac Os 9 desktops. ;D
Even today we can't measure the impackt of ChatGPT. Awesome, thank you.
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No worries!
The details in this post are a little out of date now, so as a quick update:
- GPT 3.5 is 100% free to use
- GPT 4 and image generation require a registration
- No monthly usage fees, just a one time registration if you want to use the better AI models
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Great!