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Title: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: Roman78 on August 15, 2022, 10:50:48 PM
What would be the best way or tool to backup a system disk to a backup file?

A friend of mine owns an old PowerMac 6500 running OS 9.1. He uses this machine to run a cutting plotter. Runs fine, but he did not have a Backup... for over 20 Years....

I'm not that firm in OS9. I would not install any software, i would like to Boot from a CD and create a backup file on a USB drive. Oh, yes.. it has a USB 1.1 card.
Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: Mat on August 15, 2022, 11:31:06 PM
One nice thing about Mac OS 9 is that you can simply copy everything (well nearly, pending print jobs do not work for example). You can simply copy the entire disc to another and it will boot fine.

BUT: do not use USB as any drive will most probably be formatted in FAT. You need an HFS+ formatted mass storage device. Best would be to hook up another cheap HD (6500 should all have IDE) and copy everything there.

Of course there are some solutions for "real disc copys" as well, or even professional backup solutions, but they are not necessary for a first quick backup.

Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: Roman78 on August 16, 2022, 01:08:08 AM
Problem would be a cheap HD. What would be the biggest possible? Old computer have some issues with to big harddisks.
Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: IIO on August 16, 2022, 01:43:23 AM
USB 2 to SATA adapter (1,95 euro) + 128 gb SSD (20 euro)


ist nicht teurer als ein stick, aber vielseitiger verwendbar und geht nicht so leicht verloren. stromversorgung über USB 1 ist im gegensatz zu HDDs überall problemlos.

und wie mat richtig anmerkt, für diesen zweck bitte auf jeden fall als HFS+ formatieren. dann ist es nämlich in der tat ausreichend einfach den systemordner zu kopieren. wobei ein old world mac vermutlich nicht über USB davon booten wird, das geht erst ab imac.

das kopieren geht auch vom laufenden system. nur zum zurückspielen später muss von der CD gebootet werden.

...und beschriften bevor man das backup in den schrank legt. :)
Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: ovalking on August 16, 2022, 02:01:20 AM
You could use Disk Copy to create an image file of your System disk. Then copy that to your back-up medium.
That meets your requirements to create a file you could copy via USB, without installing software.

But Retrospect (network version) is best for my needs...
Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: teroyk on August 16, 2022, 04:01:10 AM
What would be the best way or tool to backup a system disk to a backup file?

I don't know if this is best way, but I have used this many times.
I connect Mac with firewire cable to another Mac that is installed Mac OS X.
I boot OSX Mac first then I boot OS 9 Mac with T-button down, so that mac looks like firewire HD to OSX Mac.
I make image with DiscCopy (come with OSX)...remember choose whole disk, not just partition.
After writing image to new disk, you can extend partition or add more partitions with iPartition.

I think both Macs can be OS 9 machines, but I newer have tested, because when I have make this, I didn't
have two OS 9 Macs that time. iPartition is OSX only.

Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: DieHard on August 16, 2022, 08:38:25 AM
For a standard/simple backup use this...

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,2750.0.html

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dantz Retrospect Express v4.1 Backup Software

Retrospect Express 4.1 is an excellent solution for Apple Computer's iMac customers. Customers can back up important files today over the Internet and use new USB devices (such as the Imation SuperDisk) as they become available.

New Disaster Recovery CD
Retrospect Express 4.1 now ships on a CD that starts up all modern Macintosh computers including the latest G3 and iMac models. Packed with a Mac OS 8.1 a system folder, Disk First Aid(TM), and Drive Setup(TM) utilities, users can boot off the CD and either repair the damaged hard drive or reformat it and restore the files, all without having to install a temporary system.

Support for New Devices
Retrospect Express 4.1 includes support for almost any removable drive including Zip, Jaz, SyQuest, MO, CD-R/RW, and DVD-RAM. New drives supported in this release include:
-- DVD-RAM drives from Panasonic and Hitachi
-- SuperDisk from Imation (USB device)
-- CD-RW drives from Philips and Yamaha

========================================= OR ==================================

If the plotter software is copy protected in any way, you can go extreme.. this will make a "perfect" image:

Apple Software Restore v2.2.5 with Apple Disk Copy v6.5b13

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,1822.0.html

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The ASR or "Apple Software Restore" is a Utility for advanced users that is used to create a restore image from a Mac OS volume, and also restore that image to a new blank volume while preserving the settings of copy protected software that would normally not function after being copied.
Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: IIO on August 16, 2022, 08:46:31 AM
right, why make it simple when it can be complicated. :)
Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: DieHard on August 16, 2022, 12:59:25 PM
Exactly :)
Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: Mat on August 17, 2022, 01:26:01 AM
boot OS 9 Mac with T-button down, so that mac looks like firewire HD to OSX Mac.
That would lead to what exactly – at his 6500 without FireWire?  :P
And no, another machine with another OS is no simple backup solution. Well, one could as well setup a Linux machine, install a well working proper Netatalk with AFP and copy the HD over LAN. But that might be as well an overkil, when any (!) mass storage formatted as HFS+ would be enough for a first backup, …
Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: teroyk on August 18, 2022, 09:53:04 AM
boot OS 9 Mac with T-button down, so that mac looks like firewire HD to OSX Mac.
That would lead to what exactly – at his 6500 without FireWire?  :P

 :-[ ...I should remember that: read first question first... :-[
Title: Re: Backup 9.1 to file
Post by: Roman78 on August 23, 2022, 03:53:07 AM
Oh, lots of things to try. I'll experiment and will report my preferred solution.
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