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smh, the future of web browsing sucks
chrisNova777:
i still cant beleive we now live in a world where the browser software developers are so f**kin lazy that they can only compile browser support for os'es from 2019 or above.. (the last 5 years)
its actually insulting that windows has better legacy support then any macos in distribution...
id love to find a way to run a proxy off FreeBSD box or something to serve web content to my machines with "LEGACY" oses, to be able to actually browse the internet properly on my old machines......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWcASV2sey0
top proxy servers?? IPFoxy, Whoer, BrightData, NodeMaven, 4everproxy, SOAX, Oxylabs, Infatica, IPRoyal, NetNut
Anyone have any experience with any of these?
would be cool if there was a mac user who could build us a ProxyServer custom buiit for serving modern web content to older versions of MacOS
chrisNova777:
really surprised to get no responses to this post.... but then again i received the same "blaring silence" when i was speaking about using *NAS BSD to serve files to macos9/X ppc machines via Netatalk/AFP .. a topic i thought would blow up + catch fire with many of the "enthusiasts" here, so SMH... *shrug*
i would think theres alot more retro enthusiasts that would be interested in finding a solution to using old computers on the modern web now that the moron web programmers of 2020 have "taken the internet away" by forcing the whole entire web to be encrypted..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MjZdKtv9ak
heres a video where a guys got an old win9x machine browsing the net by introducing a raspberry pi as a proxy server
surely theres other "solutions"
would like to have a CONVERSATION on this topic with some other INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEINGS if there are ANY LEFT OUT THERE
https://www.reddit.com/r/VintageApple/comments/wzbz0j/the_power_of_webone_http_proxy_fills_you_with/
https://www.reddit.com/r/VintageApple/comments/wzbz0j/the_power_of_webone_http_proxy_fills_you_with/
i know there must be other solutions lurking in the shadows... lets shine the light on how to bring back our vintage pcs + macs to the WORLD WIDE WEB that was BUILT BY THEM
http://68k.news/ is another "manifested idea" by creating basic retro-compatible webpage linking to "inaccessible modern content"
really the TLS/SSL cypher bullshit is really the COPORATIONS takin control of our "free internet" (err what we used to call it back in the early 2000s anyway) things will just get more controlled + big brother'ed as long as people just let the stupid corporations dictate the way things should be on the WWW. its a fucking shame really.
Greystash:
It is a grim outlook :(
I've never bothered with proxying because modern web development has completely left behind the older browsers, they will never support CSS2 or the modern Javascript engines. You'd be lucky to find any relatively popular site that doesn't use any JavaScript.
I started a web directory years ago for websites that are still accessible to older browsers, which has a good list of old and new websites.
I also made a CMS website builder service where you can build websites that are compatible with older browsers and serve them over HTTP, but I've been the only customer so far with mac-classic.com and manticore.nz ;D I always thought a community of people serving new websites built to an older spec would be a fun idea. However, I don't think there's a huge market for these sorts of things now and people seem to be content with using their newer browsers, but maybe things will change!
IoIxD:
--- Quote from: chrisNova777 on March 25, 2024, 10:48:38 PM ---i still cant beleive we now live in a world where the browser software developers are so f**kin lazy that they can only compile browser support for os'es from 2019 or above.. (the last 5 years)
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Google Chrome and Firefox* support Windows 10, which was released in 2015. I can't find information on if they require a specific update to it, but I can find that Chrome also supports Windows Server 2016. Chrome also runs on a Pentium 4.
Both minimally support Mac from 2019 and Linux from 2018, yes. The former correlates with Apple dropping 32-bit support, which correlates with them not really caring about backwards compatibility, so I wouldn't be 100% angry at the browser devs. I think the Linux kernel devs also hold that same attitude, and in that case Antix Linux or Artix Linux exists and allows you to run a modern kernel on older machines.
There's lots of reasons to hate the modern web, but I disagree with this being one of them.
*at this point those might as well be the only browsers left. I really hope Ladybird is good...
EDIT: Ok I just realized that FreeBSD support goes back to 12.0, which is probably what you meant. FreeBSD is not the only OS though, and thus my point still stands.
Jubadub:
@chris, you can get around the SSL/TLS nonsense using Crypto Ancienne, using Power MachTen or an x86 VM of your choice. No need for extra machines, although that works, too.
I'm satisfied with Classilla 9.3.4b. MacLynx is also good. Older browsers also serve their various purposes well. If a website is coded like cr4p, I don't want to visit it in the first place, it's not even a matter of a browser being able to render it or not, for me.
As for what is happening and has been happening to web browsers in the past decade, and is getting far worse now with scope creep through the likes of WebAssembly and beyond, this is not lazyness. It's sabotage. So f*&^ them. We don't need them, and we especially do not even want them. I don't trust their browser code, for good reason. Did they even get a PPC compiler for Rust going, in the end? That move from C/C++ to Rust in Firefox is yet another thing that, due to absence of compilers for many targets, plus other things, are clear acts of sabotage AFAICT. And this problem is not simply limited as a "corporations" issue, it unfortunately stretches way beyond that. So-called "academia", for example. Agendas such as the decommissioning of what little hardware is left that is still reliable (because semi-old and new hardware both aren't). And more.
TL;DR I don't need a new web browser. Most of us don't. What we need is new websites, not web browsers.
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