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Mac OS 9 Discussion => Hardware => Storage => Topic started by: DieHard on November 26, 2016, 01:24:48 PM

Title: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: DieHard on November 26, 2016, 01:24:48 PM: Quote
NOTE: Please read the 2021 Update for the very best IDE/SATA Bridge Adapter (the RXD-629A7-7) here:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php/topic,5436.0.html
The the RXD-629A7-7 outshines the ADP-06 adapter if two SSDs are needed to be installed on the same IDE cable,
for a single SSD drive only, either adapter is equivalent
The rest of this info. is for archive purposes

The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Project
Mac G4 SSD Option for Users on a Low Budget

The items Needed...
(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost1.jpg)

So the Kingwin ADP-06 IDE-to-SATA Adapter is much cheaper that my detailed post reguarding the ARS-2133 (which is is an IDE-to-SATA 2.5” HDD metal bay).

The Original ARS-2133 Post is Here:
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2569.0

The Kingwin is unique in it's size and layout that makes it a perfect candidate for a cheap G4 upgrade. At about $12 US dollars (with free shipping).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingwin-SATA-to-IDE-Bridge-Board-ADP-06-New-/281705569840?hash=item4196f5de30:g:PY8AAOSw~OdVZ500

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost2.jpg)

There are even cheaper adapters, but this one is the right size and orientation for our G4 upgrade. It's main advantage is that when a 2.5" SSD or Notebook Hard Drive is attached to it, it mounts into an MDD cage or QuickSilver tray with very little effort and becomes the Normal width of a 3.5" Desktop PATA Hard drive.

OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD drives can be purchased at rock bottom prices these days and beat mechanical drives in all performance aspects. This 60GB brand new OWC SSD drive goes for about $20 on ebay:

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost3.jpg)

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OK so Let's start...
1) Make sure the adapater jumper is in the "A-B" jumper position denoted as "IDE to SATA"
(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost4.jpg)

2) Peel back the adhesive tape and push the Adapter on to the OWC SSD.
(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost5.jpg)

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost6.jpg)

3) Now the cool part... you can attach the SSD to the cage directly ! Use a washer on the screw toward the front since the size of the cage holes are large. No special trays are needed and the circuit board on the Adapter will just make it in the cage (you may need to pry the cage open a little with your hands, but it is a great fit). Mounting only 1 side is just fine, remember there are no moving parts in an SSD, so think on it like a piece of RAM.

Also note that the Adapter connections are it a good spot... and that the tightness on the Board in the cage makes it impossible for the adapter to come loose it the cage is mounted vertically.

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost7.jpg)

4) We now have many choices...

One SSD Only on the faster MDD controller

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost8.jpg)

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost9.jpg)

Two SSD drives

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost10.jpg)

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost11.jpg)

One SSD and One Mechanical hard drive...one important note is that the SSD with normal hard drive combo is a little too tight for the stock Apple IDE cable, so you can use an IDE with more room between the two connectors or you may have to use Sticky tape and forget using the screws in the cage. I suggest (2) SSDs since they are inexpensive and use the slower MDD controller for large hard drives that archive old projects.

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost12.jpg)

(http://www.macos9lives.com/smforum/images/diehardposts/Kingwinpost13.jpg)
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: Knezzen on November 26, 2016, 11:27:33 PM: Very good walk-through DieHard! Really helpful :)
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: mrhappy on November 27, 2016, 07:40:45 AM: Quote from: Knezzen on November 26, 2016, 11:27:33 PM
Very good walk-through DieHard! Really helpful :)

Yes... pretty pics too!! ;D
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: MacTron on November 27, 2016, 10:55:56 AM: Great post, thanks.
I just wish to add that I have used a very similar configuration for years without issues.

... and:
Quote from: MacTron on May 20, 2015, 09:39:26 AM
...
.. the SATA to PATA adapters.
... are cheap, it don't use PCI bandwidth (in some G4's). And If you are using a SSD with it, even though the bandwidth will be a bit low, you still enjoy one of the best benefits of a SSD: the fast data access time.

Of course if you plan to use a SATA CD/DVD drive , SATA to PATA adapters are the absolute best option.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: nickbirkby on December 15, 2016, 07:47:30 AM: Thanks so much for posting this! I am really happy- just found a June 2003 MDD 1.25 for an excellent price. Getting it next Tuesday. Hope to install a SSD in the near future.

Bug has bitten though. Now have a MDD 1ghz FW, 733 Quicksilver, Digital Audio and my old trusty G3 233.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: RTIInstaller on February 02, 2017, 10:54:16 PM: I see you are using an IDE to SATA adapter.

OWC makes the same SSD drive in an IDE version, so you don't need the adapter https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_Extreme_Pro/Legacy_Edition

(https://img2.owcnow.com/imgs/ndesc/harddrives/owc/prod_merc-legacy-pro.jpg)
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: stephenvalente on February 03, 2017, 06:46:45 AM: Given the cost of those kits, it would be cheaper to buy an IDE-SATA adaptor and the SSD yourself than from OWC, even in the U.K. with our worsening exchange rates.

Compromise solution for me to consider if the holy grail of booting SATA PCI cards doesn't get any closer on the G4 Power Macs.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: DieHard on February 03, 2017, 07:57:41 AM: Quote from: RTIInstaller on February 02, 2017, 10:54:16 PM
I see you are using an IDE to SATA adapter.

OWC makes the same SSD drive in an IDE version, so you don't need the adapter https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_Extreme_Pro/Legacy_Edition

(https://img2.owcnow.com/imgs/ndesc/harddrives/owc/prod_merc-legacy-pro.jpg)

It is NOT IDE, That is the same exact drive and it also needs an adapter :)

On your link:
Quote
Includes IDE/ATA adapter for use in 3.5" IDE/ATA desktop drive bays.

Two Other points:
1) The OWC included adapter sucks compared to this adapter solution.
2) You can get the raw drives (60 GB) for $20 on ebay
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: nanopico on February 03, 2017, 08:48:28 AM: Quote from: stephenvalente on February 03, 2017, 06:46:45 AM
Given the cost of those kits, it would be cheaper to buy an IDE-SATA adaptor and the SSD yourself than from OWC, even in the U.K. with our worsening exchange rates.

Compromise solution for me to consider if the holy grail of booting SATA PCI cards doesn't get any closer on the G4 Power Macs.

Just curious and maybe I missed something somewhere, but are you saying that it isn't possible to boot a G4 from a SATA drive on a PCI SATA controller?

I have done this for some time, and for fun I had recently put my PCI SATA card in a clone with a 604 CPU in it and was able to boot that from the SATA drive.

It maybe very possible that I missed something in this statement, sorry if I did.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: stephenvalente on February 03, 2017, 09:24:07 AM: Quote from: nanopico on February 03, 2017, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: stephenvalente on February 03, 2017, 06:46:45 AM
Given the cost of those kits, it would be cheaper to buy an IDE-SATA adaptor and the SSD yourself than from OWC, even in the U.K. with our worsening exchange rates.

Compromise solution for me to consider if the holy grail of booting SATA PCI cards doesn't get any closer on the G4 Power Macs.

Just curious and maybe I missed something somewhere, but are you saying that it isn't possible to boot a G4 from a SATA drive on a PCI SATA controller?

I have done this for some time, and for fun I had recently put my PCI SATA card in a clone with a 604 CPU in it and was able to boot that from the SATA drive.

It maybe very possible that I missed something in this statement, sorry if I did.

I've been reading a couple of threads here since acquiring a G4 (collecting next week), and i got the impression it was an uncertain subject. I'd like to find a reasonably priced solution I can get sent to me in the U.K. if someone can point me in the right direction.

It will need to work with the 1.42GHz DP model.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: nanopico on February 03, 2017, 11:18:40 AM: Quote from: stephenvalente on February 03, 2017, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: nanopico on February 03, 2017, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: stephenvalente on February 03, 2017, 06:46:45 AM
Given the cost of those kits, it would be cheaper to buy an IDE-SATA adaptor and the SSD yourself than from OWC, even in the U.K. with our worsening exchange rates.

Compromise solution for me to consider if the holy grail of booting SATA PCI cards doesn't get any closer on the G4 Power Macs.

Just curious and maybe I missed something somewhere, but are you saying that it isn't possible to boot a G4 from a SATA drive on a PCI SATA controller?

I have done this for some time, and for fun I had recently put my PCI SATA card in a clone with a 604 CPU in it and was able to boot that from the SATA drive.

It maybe very possible that I missed something in this statement, sorry if I did.

I've been reading a couple of threads here since acquiring a G4 (collecting next week), and i got the impression it was an uncertain subject. I'd like to find a reasonably priced solution I can get sent to me in the U.K. if someone can point me in the right direction.

It will need to work with the 1.42GHz DP model.

All I know is this is the card I have.
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/legacyproducts/tempo_serial_ata.html (http://www.sonnettech.com/product/legacyproducts/tempo_serial_ata.html)
I can boot from the SATA drives with no other ones in the system. This has worked on my G3's, G4's (MDD included) and even the 604 clone.

I know not all third party ones work, and maybe that is the confusion. In the end there is a way to do it.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: madalynmcworm on February 03, 2017, 12:19:29 PM: Quote from: nanopico on February 03, 2017, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: stephenvalente on February 03, 2017, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: nanopico on February 03, 2017, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: stephenvalente on February 03, 2017, 06:46:45 AM
Given the cost of those kits, it would be cheaper to buy an IDE-SATA adaptor and the SSD yourself than from OWC, even in the U.K. with our worsening exchange rates.

Compromise solution for me to consider if the holy grail of booting SATA PCI cards doesn't get any closer on the G4 Power Macs.

Just curious and maybe I missed something somewhere, but are you saying that it isn't possible to boot a G4 from a SATA drive on a PCI SATA controller?

I have done this for some time, and for fun I had recently put my PCI SATA card in a clone with a 604 CPU in it and was able to boot that from the SATA drive.

It maybe very possible that I missed something in this statement, sorry if I did.

I've been reading a couple of threads here since acquiring a G4 (collecting next week), and i got the impression it was an uncertain subject. I'd like to find a reasonably priced solution I can get sent to me in the U.K. if someone can point me in the right direction.

It will need to work with the 1.42GHz DP model.

All I know is this is the card I have.
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/legacyproducts/tempo_serial_ata.html (http://www.sonnettech.com/product/legacyproducts/tempo_serial_ata.html)
I can boot from the SATA drives with no other ones in the system. This has worked on my G3's, G4's (MDD included) and even the 604 clone.

I know not all third party ones work, and maybe that is the confusion. In the end there is a way to do it.

I've been searching for that card with no success. It doesn't seem to be easy to locate in the US.

The kingwin cards from ebay came from amazon in amazon wrapping.
Prime was $10 each. Could have saved $6 :(
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: nanopico on February 03, 2017, 05:38:50 PM: If you can find that card then it is good. I got some time ago shortly after it was available.
Nice solid card. Wish I would have gotten a couple.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: madalynmcworm on February 08, 2017, 12:38:19 PM: My parts all came last week. Got a chance to do this today.

I only went with one SSD installed for now. I found a broken tab off an electrical outlet or something to use for the washer (It was near all my stuff).

Running fast so far :)

Thanks for this! Should hold me over until I can get an actual SATA card, if I even need it for what I'm doing.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: mrhappy on February 19, 2017, 08:10:19 PM: Quote from: RTIInstaller on February 02, 2017, 10:54:16 PM

OWC makes the same SSD drive in an IDE version, so you don't need the adapter https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Mercury_Extreme_Pro/Legacy_Edition

(https://img2.owcnow.com/imgs/ndesc/harddrives/owc/prod_merc-legacy-pro.jpg)

They Do or at least DID make a SSD with an IDE interface. The link shows a drive that needs the adapter but in the pic you can see that it has the IDE connector. I bought one of these a year or 2 ago to install in a 17" 1Ghz Alu MacBook...finally getting around to warming up the screw driver! Haha! ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: DieHard on February 21, 2017, 08:07:41 AM: Quote
They Do or at least DID make a SSD with an IDE interface. The link shows a drive that needs the adapter but in the pic you can see that it has the IDE connector. I bought one of these a year or 2 ago to install in a 17" 1Ghz Alu MacBook...finally getting around to warming up the screw driver! Haha! ;D ;D

A Laptop size IDE will also need an Adapter in this scenario since we are putting the SSD in a DESKTOP G4 with a different size IDE/PATA connector... so IMO, just get the SATA (more expandable later) and better deals on ebay
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: mrhappy on February 21, 2017, 07:34:15 PM: Quote from: DieHard on February 21, 2017, 08:07:41 AM

A Laptop size IDE will also need an Adapter in this scenario since we are putting the SSD in a DESKTOP G4 with a different size IDE/PATA connector... so IMO, just get the SATA (more expandable later) and better deals on ebay

Yes agreed... I picked up a bunch of the SATA version on your recommendation! ;D

Pretty sure that you brought the IDE version to my attention also... just making sure the new kids know that the IDE version does exist incase they need one for a laptop upgrade. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: devils_advisor on February 22, 2017, 01:27:41 AM: Any recommendations for a g3? The ata bus is slow but would it be possible and recognized as a boot drive?
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: GuiBer on February 22, 2017, 10:10:37 AM: it seems that the customers of the OWC SSD are very satisfied of the product (this is the 60GB model) :

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/SSDMXLE060/

Not only G4 users, but G3 users too and with both systems, Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X.

I think I’ll buy one for my Power Mac G4 MDD dual 867mhz :D
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: DieHard on February 22, 2017, 11:08:14 AM: Quote
Pretty sure that you brought the IDE version to my attention also... just making sure the new kids know that the IDE version does exist incase they need one for a laptop upgrade. ;D ;D ;D

Yes... Great Point :)

The old Powerbooks fly with these SSDs
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: madalynmcworm on February 22, 2017, 01:43:09 PM: Quote from: DieHard on February 22, 2017, 11:08:14 AM
Quote
Pretty sure that you brought the IDE version to my attention also... just making sure the new kids know that the IDE version does exist incase they need one for a laptop upgrade. ;D ;D ;D

Yes... Great Point :)

The old Powerbooks fly with these SSDs

See my post about the mSata + Adapter in my powerbook. Running great, 250Gigs for ~$120. There's cheaper mSata's out there, too.
That said, I might have bought the OWC one if I had remembered it.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: dr bu on June 28, 2017, 05:03:39 PM: would this DH tip work/be a good choice for my Gigabit Ethernet?
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: dr bu on July 01, 2017, 12:01:55 AM: I always buy the wrong stuff. .sigh
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: dr bu on July 01, 2017, 02:04:50 AM: Original drive Maxtor 20gb born 8 july 2000 still running :P
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: IIO on July 20, 2017, 12:18:43 AM: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOT-3-5-HDD-Parallel-Pata-IDE-To-Serial-ATA-Sata-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Converter/152522823156?_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44757%26meid%3D134221b01ed34145a6abecf928182f6e%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D281705569840

USD 2,89 including shipping from china :P
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: Enabler on July 25, 2017, 07:41:43 AM: Just picked up 2 Kingwins at B&H for $8 each......... Working great so far, I love the LED indicator showing the drive activity
2 Thumbs up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1083167-REG/kingwin_adp_06_sata_to_ide.html
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: nickbirkby on August 23, 2017, 01:45:15 AM: Hi everyone,
Sorry for this very basic question but would a kingston 32gb SSD and Mahattan SATA to IDE bridge work? ( I have a MDD 1.25.)

I live in South Africa and the OWC stuff is hard to get hold of here.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.mhint/product_images/158282/158282pro.jpg

Thanks so much. Nick
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: GaryN on August 23, 2017, 05:03:03 PM: Maybe…probably…yeah, probably.
Only one way to find out for sure.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: nickbirkby on August 24, 2017, 02:33:07 AM: Yeah it looks a bit questionable. Im leaning slightly towards these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Industrial-Disk-on-Module-Kingspec-PATA-IDE-40PIN-DOM-16GB-Vertical-Socket-MLC-/191136090482?epid=1839441186&hash=item2c80994972:g:YsoAAMXQNo5TaNh2
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: DieHard on August 24, 2017, 08:07:38 AM: Quote from: nickbirkby on August 23, 2017, 01:45:15 AM
Hi everyone,
Sorry for this very basic question but would a kingston 32gb SSD and Mahattan SATA to IDE bridge work? ( I have a MDD 1.25.)

I live in South Africa and the OWC stuff is hard to get hold of here.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.mhint/product_images/158282/158282pro.jpg

Thanks so much. Nick

From the Photo, the Mahattan has a Master/Slave/Cable Select jumper so it should work 100%
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: macStuff on February 22, 2018, 05:52:05 PM: i have a similar SATA-PATA adapter but mine has some capacitors on the backside that tend to get squished once u close the door of the mdd if its in the front cradle
maybe i need to order some kingwin.. these ones dont seem to have the same physical obstacles
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: macStuff on February 22, 2018, 05:54:38 PM: Quote from: nickbirkby on August 24, 2017, 02:33:07 AM
Yeah it looks a bit questionable. Im leaning slightly towards these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Industrial-Disk-on-Module-Kingspec-PATA-IDE-40PIN-DOM-16GB-Vertical-Socket-MLC-/191136090482?epid=1839441186&hash=item2c80994972:g:YsoAAMXQNo5TaNh2

only problem is that these are female IDE and have to be inserted right into the PATA port in the PowerMac G4 (MDD?)
would be alot better if they came as mountable ide drives that can be connected via Ribbon? so they dont take up both positions on the master/slave IDE connection
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: Astroman on February 23, 2018, 01:37:59 AM: The 'industrial' attribute suggests they are supposed to be mounted in low profile rack cases.
I have a couple of those (1G) in SLC format and they are very reliable, one boots my OS9 Pro Tools TDM and has 400 MB free.
To use both master/slave positions you can make a custom cable by pressing 2 female connectors on a regular ribbon cable and cut off the original connectors. Needs a wrench but isn't too difficult.
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: macStuff on February 23, 2018, 04:42:44 AM: the "Trick" i observe above by diehard is simply to use a Sata/pata adapter in combination with a 2.5" drive Which gives you the
extra 1 inch or so neccessary to clear the ide cables protruding from the motherboard of the mdd
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: macStuff on October 02, 2018, 03:24:42 PM: the prices on these drives are pretty low ???
were they always this low?
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: FdB on October 02, 2018, 03:39:26 PM: Nope. The 120 GB was $128.00 back in June of this year.
Might be "round 'em up, close-out pricing".
(As in: get 'em before they're gone.)
Title: Re: The Kingwin ADP-06 with OWC Mercury Electra 3G SSD Low Budget Project
Post by: w3sl33 on February 13, 2021, 12:36:02 PM: Good info