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Title: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on March 29, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/usb-2-0-card-not-working-on-quicksilver.2228508/ (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/usb-2-0-card-not-working-on-quicksilver.2228508/)

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/usb-2-0-card-not-working-on-quicksilver.2228508/post-28320465 (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/usb-2-0-card-not-working-on-quicksilver.2228508/post-28320465)
 From Eyoungren, longtime Know PowerPC User
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I had a USB card with the VIA chipset and used it on a 6500 under OS9. It requires the USB driver update, but if you've already installed 9.1 it should come with it. Anything under that requires the update.

Take a look here: http://www.virtualinformation.com/drivers/USBCardSupport.htm
 

http://www.virtualinformation.com/drivers/USBCardSupport.htm (http://www.virtualinformation.com/drivers/USBCardSupport.htm)

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USB Adapter Card Support is a set of software extensions that provide support for USB adapter cards installed in the PCI bus or CardBus slots in Macintosh computers.

Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a new standard for connecting peripheral devices to Macintosh computers. Common USB devices include ink jet and laser printers, digital still cameras, scanners, game pads, joysticks, keyboards, mouse devices, storage devices, and hubs. USB provides many advantages, including the ability to "hot plug" and unplug devices without shuttting down or restarting the computer, support for up to 127 attached devices, and up to 12 megabits per second throughput.

Requirements

USB Adapter Card Support requires a PowerPCTM-based Macintosh computer with PCI or CardBus slots, Mac OS 8.6 or later, and a USB adapter card.

This software cannot be installed on Macintosh computers with built-in USB ports. These computers already include support for built-in USB ports and USB PCI adapter cards.

Important: This software supports only USB cards that comply with the Open Host Controller Interface (OHCI) specification and may not work with every USB adapter card. Contact the manufacturer of your USB adapter card if necessary to verify that your card is OHCI-compliant and supported by this software.

Installing USB Adapter Card Support

If you haven't already done so, install the USB adapter card following the instructions provided by the manufacturer. Then download the USB Adapter Card Support software from the Apple Software Updates web site: http://www.apple.com/swupdates.

To install the USB Adapter Card Support software, follow these steps:


    1. Double-click the Apple SW Install icon.

    2. Choose Recommended Installation.

    3. Click Start to install the USB Adapter Card Support software on your startup disk.

    4. When the installation is complete, restart your computer.


After your computer restarts, the USB Adapter Card Support software is ready for use.

What Is Installed

    USB Adapter Card Support installs the following extensions in your System Folder.
    USB Support
    USB Device Extension
    USB Software Locator (requires Mac OS 9)
    HID Library
    Serial ShimLib
    USB Mass Storage Support
    USB Mass Storage Extension


Using USB Adapter Card Support

After you install the USB card and the USB Adapter Card Support software, you can begin using USB devices. Follow the instructions for using the device provided by the manufacturer.

Some devices require additional software. If the message "The software needed to use the USB device 'name of the device' can not be found" appears when you plug in a USB device, the device you are using requires additional software. Contact the device manufacturer to obtain the software required to operate the device.

Warning: Do not disconnect a mass storage device from the USB port while copying files to or from the device, while files or applications stored on the device are in use, or while the device has volumes mounted on the desktop. Doing so may result in the loss of data.

Devices That Work With USB Adapter Card Support

The following types of devices work with USB Adapter Card Support.

    Keyboards
    Mouse devices
    Hubs
    Printers
    - Supports native USB printers and USB/parallel adapters.
    - For PostscriptTM printers, use the Desktop Print Utility to configure for use
    - For non-Postscript printers, use the Chooser extension supplied by the manufacturer
    Modems
    - Supports communications-class modems.
    - Apple supplies support via the Modem Control Panel (Communication Toolbox). You may need to select your particular modem script in the Modem Control Panel. Generic modem scripts are also available.
    Joysticks and other gaming controllers
    - Supports games that use Apple's InputSprocket.
    Mass storage
    - Only devices that are compliant with the USB Mass Storage Class specifications will work with this software. Some compliant devices may have unique features beyond what is defined in the USB Mass Storage Class specifications and require additional software provided by the manufacturer.


Tips and Troubleshooting

Some Macintosh G3 models may not wake from sleep correctly with this software installed. Use the Energy Saver control panel to set the system sleep to "never", or uninstall the USB Adapter Card Support software to avoid this issue.

PowerBook G3 computers with CardBus cards will hang with USB Adapter Card Support installed if processor cycling is allowed. Use the Energy Saver control panel to turn off processor cycling. You need to set this for both battery and power adapter operation.

The Power key on the Apple USB keyboard will start up the computer only when it is attached directly to a Macintosh computer's built-in USB port. It will not start up the computer when attached to a USB PCI or CardBus adapter card.

Although the USB Adapter Card Support software supports USB keyboards and mouse devices, it is recommended that you use an ADB keyboard and mouse as your primary input devices. You may experience limited functionality using some USB input devices in certain applications, including Easy Access and the Keyboard control panel.

If a USB device does not function after you install a USB PCI adapter card and this software, open Apple System Profiler and click the Devices and Volumes tab to view the names of attached USB devices. Verify that the device has been detected. If the device name does not appear, it has not been detected. Confirm that the device has been attached correctly to the USB adapter card and that the USB adapter card is firmly seated in the PCI slot. If the device still does not appear in the Apple System Profiler, contact the device manufacturer to determine if additional software is required to operate the device.

To mount or remount a USB mass storage volume on the desktop, unplug and replug the device that contains the volume into a USB port on the computer, or into a hub attached to the computer. The volume should appear on the desktop in a few seconds. If the device uses removable media, the volume will not appear until the removable media is reinserted into the mass storage device.

To eject removable storage media in drives with manual eject mechanisms, drag the icon of the media volume to the Trash. Eject the media only after a message says it is safe to do so.

Important: Do not remove the media from the device until the message indicates that it is safe.

The clock on a USB adapter card may sometimes fall out of synchronization with the computer's clock. USB-based audio will then lose synchronization, resulting in either an inaccurate sample rate, or gaps in the audio data stream. If more precision is required when capturing or playing USB-based audio, a Macintosh with built-in USB ports is highly recommended.

For additional information, go to http://www.apple.com/support

Note: Alternate keyboard layouts, such as Dvorak and AZERTY, do not work with a USB keyboard that is connected to a USB adapter card. For more information, please see article 25210: "USB Adapter Cards: Limited Functionality With Some Input Devices"]North American English

Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: IIO on March 29, 2020, 01:41:55 PM
that´s a lot of text for getting USB to work.

while OS8 should work fine with USB via PCI when you install the "generic" driver from apple which later was part of 8.6, i have seen several USB 2. cards not working with OS9 as 1.1 bus.
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on March 29, 2020, 01:44:09 PM
We asummed that VIA chipset didnt work, but this user says it worked on a 6500...

We asummed only NEC chipset would work on 9.
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on March 29, 2020, 01:45:07 PM
that´s a lot of text for getting USB to work.


Copied the same twice. Corrected.
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: Protools5LEGuy on January 28, 2023, 11:51:23 AM
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Here using VIA USB on a TAM
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: refinery on January 28, 2023, 07:38:03 PM
hey that's cool, these cards used to be reasonably easy to get, just like that they're now 4x what they used to cost and have become absolutely unobtanium. thanks youtube.
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: IIO on January 28, 2023, 08:19:17 PM
a video about a possible new card for MacOS9 gets 14k views in 12 hours.

that´s why DD is right about building a custom card, if 1000 people are willing to buy it for 50 dollars plus shipping and then wait one year, it should be no problem at all.
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: smilesdavis on January 29, 2023, 04:00:57 AM
a video about a possible new card for MacOS9 gets 14k views in 12 hours.

that´s why DD is right about building a custom card, if 1000 people are willing to buy it for 50 dollars plus shipping and then wait one year, it should be no problem at all.

crazy, i didnt pay 30 for 2 sonnets. 2023 is MAD
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: IIO on January 29, 2023, 12:17:20 PM
you pay thousands of dollars for originally boxed OS7 software which you dont use but it is mad to invest 50 bucks for connecting 4TB of HD space to a professionally used AV workstation twice as fast as with IDE2SATA adapters, alles klar. ;)
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: refinery on January 29, 2023, 04:16:47 PM
$50? LOL. The last three real Sonnet sata cards went for at least 3x that, or more.
These combo cards were selling for $35-40, now they're ~$120.
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: IIO on January 29, 2023, 07:22:03 PM
okay, so one of you wants everything for free and the other one wants to pay the prices from 2001.

mabe you should make a compromise and agree upon a realistic 50?

new PCIe cards today start at 11 USD/EURO, and that is already including 18% taxes, profit for every party involved, and everyone involved has to be paid for working on it.
so do the math and understand that the production of a larger stack of such a product does not cost more than about 3 euro.

of course there is a base price for the design and everything, which hits hobby projects with only a few units hard. but 40k is absolutely realistic, you can create eurorack modules with a dozen or so filters, software and controllers for that.

Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: refinery on January 29, 2023, 08:07:38 PM
I didn't say I want everything for free. I'd happily pay $50 for a card. What I have a problem with is the scalpers out there who suck every last bit of available inventory up and then with a minimal amount of work, usually piggybacking off the already existing hard work of people like dosdude, turn around and charge a ridiculous amount of markup, leaving hobbyists like us with no further options.

If the alternative was something like Patreon, where the money was going directly to the person doing the work, I'd put money in that. dosdude, or sataman, whoever... guys whose hard work should be rewarded for the amazing stuff they do.
This would be the preferable option for me, because I have the skill and tools to re-solder these ROM chips myself. But even still, $50 for a card is not bad.
Title: Re: USB 2.0 card not working on QuickSilver? a.k.a. USB VIA on Mac OS 8
Post by: IIO on January 29, 2023, 08:46:10 PM
I didn't say I want everything for free.

no, that was the other collegue. you said 50 would be impossible because used sonnets costed already more. which i dont find any reasonable argument for the price of something new and community funded. ;)

even "our" australian jam port is 30% cheaper than the original once was - and he builds them one by one, and by hand.

maybe the idea is naive to find more than 100 buyers... but i would bet that when you start a crowdfunding project and get 500-1000 orders, a dosdude/sataman card could not only be printed under good pooling conditions, it could probably be assembled completely industrial (for a base price of 40k), even though some of the chips are so vintage that you might have to provide those yourself.